Deep pass is important this week

[Bleu Star]

With GB's rush defense being so good. I feel that this is the week Dak should be allowed to go downfield to loosen up the box meant to stop Zeke. Dez could provide greatly needed help, if he plays.

Actually, IMO, the W is important this week. Just like any other week...

I realize we're playing Green Bay but, if you haven't already realized we have a juggernaut building in Big D, I have a prime shoreline piece of real estate with your name written all over it in South Florida.

I don't care if the W comes from:

The deep pass
The deep eat
The deep choat

I'm just looking forward to our Boys going 5-1 Sunday (and the apologists continuing to explain why it just doesn't make sense).

 

[percyhoward]

A S with any range can get to LB depth ie 5 yards deep and still drop to the 15 yard range which is the outer limit of almost all of Dak's throws.

Prescott's targets beyond 15 yards
11 of 23 (47.8%) 254 yd (11.0 ypa) 1 td 0 int 102.4

Among QB with 20+ such attempts, that 102.4 rating ranks 10th in the NFL, ahead of Newton, Brees, Dalton, Rivers, Cousins, Manning, Flacco, Palmer, and Bortles.

There are 5 QB among the top 10 in passer rating on both targets of >15 yards, and ≤15 yards: Ryan, Roethlisberger, Stafford, Wentz, and Prescott.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Prescott's targets beyond 15 yards
11 of 23 (47.8%) 254 yd (11.0 ypa) 1 td 0 int 102.4

Among QB with 20+ such attempts, that 102.4 rating ranks 10th in the NFL, ahead of Newton, Brees, Dalton, Rivers, Cousins, Manning, Flacco, Palmer, and Bortles.

There are 5 QB among the top 10 in passer rating on both targets of >15 yards, and ≤15 yards: Ryan, Roethlisberger, Stafford, Wentz, and Prescott.

Where does he rank in attempts? I know our number of plays of 20+ passing is bottom third.

 

[conner01]

Just throwing it downfield doesn't open up the run game. Moving the chains successfully with intermediate passing game does. You try to get cute and throw bombs a few times on 1st and 10, etc., you just put yourself in 2nd and long and end up punting.

On offense they just need to keep doing what they're doing.

And the odds of completing those intermediate routes is much higher
With our receivers a 15 yard pass can turn into 30
The real key as you said is moving the chains. And finishing with 7

 

[MRV52]

I agree 100%....HOWEVER, I would love to see a 50 yard bomb to Butler off of play action to Zeke on the first play of the game. They'd bite so friggin' hard he'd be open by 10 yards. Just sayin'....

Me too, I have that feeling that it's the first play and it's going to Butler. No one will expect it. Butler is my player of the game for Sunday.

 

[percyhoward]

Where does he rank in attempts?

He has 23 attempts in 5 games (4.6 per game), which is exactly 1 attempt per game less than Romo in 2014 (5.6).

It's important to note that Dez has the greatest share of these throws from either QB, and that Prescott averaged 6.0 such attempts per game when Dez was playing.

 

[nalam]

Early in the game ,during 2nd short situation, play a disguised long bomb , if it is sucessful, that will pull back the crowding at LS

 

[Baileyneverfailey]

I remember speaking to Chad Morris when he was at Lake Travis about the importance of throwing deep once or twice a quarter to loosen up the run defense. Granted, he was a HS coach back then, but if done correctly and in the flow of the game, the opposing defense would have to account for it. We need to test the secondary early and not only on third and long. Just an opinion.

Don't get me wrong. I want to see play action bombs and deep shots taken on those 2nd and shorts that Zeke is giving us. You have to do it for sure.

 

[Doomsday101]

With GB's rush defense being so good. I feel that this is the week Dak should be allowed to go downfield to loosen up the box meant to stop Zeke. Dez could provide greatly needed help, if he plays.

If Dak makes the read and it takes him deep great but what he is doing right now is working Dallas is putting up points there is no need to force action when you don't have too. People are making way too much out of the deep ball.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

He has 23 attempts in 5 games (4.6 per game), which is exactly 1 attempt per game less than Romo in 2014 (5.6).

It's important to note that Dez has the greatest share of these throws from either QB, and that Prescott averaged 6.0 such attempts per game when Dez was playing.

That is not what I asked and a 20% increase is huge,

 

[percyhoward]

That is not what I asked and a 20% increase is huge,

I guess that was just how I answered it then. It's faster (and more relevant) simply to cut to the chase and compare Prescott's numbers to Romo's 2014 numbers than to figure the percentages for every QB.

On >15-yard targets, Prescott averaged 6.0 attempts per game when Dez was playing, and 2.5 per game without Dez. That's a 60% decrease. In other words, it's probably safe to say Dak has about as many >15-yard throws per game as Romo averaged in 2014.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

With GB's rush defense being so good. I feel that this is the week Dak should be allowed to go downfield to loosen up the box meant to stop Zeke. Dez could provide greatly needed help, if he plays.

Yessssss

Change what has worked!
Nothing like a change-up for a rookie QB!
Let's experiment in Green Bay!!!!!!
WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG????

 

[Craig]

Dak doesnt pass the eye test on intermediate to long throws. The threshold of 15 yards seems like a cherry picked number to suit an argument. It hasnt been a problem but an area he definitely needs to work on is down field passing.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I guess that was just how I answered it then. It's faster (and more relevant) simply to cut to the chase and compare Prescott's numbers to Romo's 2014 numbers than to figure the percentages for every QB.

On >15-yard targets, Prescott averaged 6.0 attempts per game when Dez was playing, and 2.5 per game without Dez. That's a 60% decrease. In other words, it's probably safe to say Dak has about as many >15-yard throws per game as Romo averaged in 2014.

No, it's not. If you really wanted to compare apples to apples you would see where Romo ranked relative to the league in 2014 and do so for Dak in 2016. You could do that but I suspect you don't want to make my case for me.

For example in 2016 so far despite not having a bye yet we are 26th in the league in passes of more than 20 yards. That would be 2.4 big pass plays per game.

In 2014 we had 54 for 11th in the league or 3.4 per game. That is a drop of near 30%. Maybe it's Dez but I am not convinced seeing that Dak wasn't getting Dez the ball in the first few games.

 

[LatinMind]

With GB's rush defense being so good. I feel that this is the week Dak should be allowed to go downfield to loosen up the box meant to stop Zeke. Dez could provide greatly needed help, if he plays.

GB hasnt played anybody with a rushing game. Peterson is washed up even before his injury. All dallas needs to do is kee doing whats its been doing. Thats the offense. long boring punch you in the face drives. They dont run a gimmick offense like most of the nfl. Smashmouth football. Cin hadnt allowed a 100 yrds rushing in 10 games going bak to last yr. Dallas got that in 21mins

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

http://www.espn.com/nfl/team/splits/_/name/dal

Apparently we have had only 9 attempts over 20 yards all season and completed 1 of them. That is less than 2 attempts a game. That just isn't going to cut it by any stretch.

In 2014 we had 54 for near 3 and a half a game. Dak and Dunk does seem apt if a bit of an exaggeration. He does not throw the ball downfield.

 

[percyhoward]

If you really wanted to compare apples to apples you would see where Romo ranked relative to the league in 2014 and do so for Dak in 2016. You could do that but I suspect you don't want to make my case for me.

I could do that, but I'm not quite dense enough to go figuring the percentages for 64 different QB performances for no reason. It's not like we're doing some cross-era comparison that necessitates looking at the ranking rather than the raw number.

15+ yard throws as a % of total attempts
2014: 3285 of 17881 18.4%
2016: 985 of 5534 17.8%

The only reason to insist on comparing Romo's 2014 ranking to Prescott's 2016 would be if the league as a whole had a significantly different percentage of 15+ yard throws in 2016 compared to 2014.

It doesn't, so we can use the raw number.

 

[ufcrules1]

We need long successful drives to keep Rodgers off the field as much as possible. Rodgers will shred our defense, so we need to keep him off the field as much as possible.. meanwhile scoring ourselves.

 

[ufcrules1]

Prescott's targets beyond 15 yards
11 of 23 (47.8%) 254 yd (11.0 ypa) 1 td 0 int 102.4

Among QB with 20+ such attempts, that 102.4 rating ranks 10th in the NFL, ahead of Newton, Brees, Dalton, Rivers, Cousins, Manning, Flacco, Palmer, and Bortles.

There are 5 QB among the top 10 in passer rating on both targets of >15 yards, and ≤15 yards: Ryan, Roethlisberger, Stafford, Wentz, and Prescott.

I think Prescott is so good people are just looking for anything to knock him on. I have no worries at all about his deep ball.

 

[aikemirv]

This will be the week where we pull out a Bill Parcels flea Flicker on 2nd and 1 near the 50 yard line. At least I hope

NEVER ever has Garrett run a flea-flicker.

I would love to see one though!