Defense on a pace to allow 40 TD passes

[kevm3]

Or maybe we can coach our offense with a 100 million dollar qb

You were pleased with the Giants hanging 450 yards passing and 4 TDs on us in week 1?

A feat, by the way, they have not come close to pulling on anyone else.

6 turnovers, 2 of them resulting in 14 points in that game. After 3 of those turnovers, the offense only managed to come out wit 3 points. Kansas City had excellent field position all game and we held them to 17 points. Held the Rams to 7. The only game were the defense really stunk was this game. The offense has to put up more than 2 touchdowns a game.

 

[wileedog]

Or maybe we can coach our offense with a 100 million dollar qb


6 turnovers, 2 of them resulting in 14 points in that game. After 3 of those turnovers, the offense only managed to come out wit 3 points. Kansas City had excellent field position all game and we held them to 17 points. Held the Rams to 7. The only game were the defense really stunk was this game. The offense has to put up more than 2 touchdowns a game.

The turnovers are nice, but other than the Giants being unable to hang on to the football they marched up and down the field. KC is a conservative offense with a bus driver QB and the Rams demonstrably stink.

Its nice to say you are "satisfied" with the D for 3 1/2 games, but the fact is we got 6 turnovers against the Giants and still almost lost.

 

[kevm3]

The turnovers are nice, but other than the Giants being unable to hang on to the football they marched up and down the field. KC is a conservative offense with a bus driver QB and the Rams demonstrably stink.

Its nice to say you are "satisfied" with the D for 3 1/2 games, but the fact is we got 6 turnovers against the Giants and still almost lost.

That alludes to the fact that the offense isn't putting points up on the board. SIX turnovers, with the defense handing the offense 14 free points and an additional 4 opportunities to score. That means Eli outscored Romo. Alex Smith is a 'bus driver' QB and yet he put more points on the board than our offense with Hall of famer jason witten, pro bowler miles austin, and top notch receiver dez bryant. Our defense got spanked against the Chargers... but the offense didn't do that well either. They played one quarter of excellent football and were held scoreless the other two. 3rd doesn't count since the chargers were on the field all day for the 3rd. With the talent we have, there is no way we shouldn't be scoring 24 and points alone by the offense alone.

 

[wileedog]

That alludes to the fact that the offense isn't putting points up on the board. SIX turnovers, with the defense handing the offense 14 free points and an additional 4 opportunities to score. That means Eli outscored Romo. Alex Smith is a 'bus driver' QB and yet he put more points on the board than our offense with Hall of famer jason witten, pro bowler miles austin, and top notch receiver dez bryant. Our defense got spanked against the Chargers... but the offense didn't do that well either. They played one quarter of excellent football and were held scoreless the other two. 3rd doesn't count since the chargers were on the field all day for the 3rd. With the talent we have, there is no way we shouldn't be scoring 24 and points alone by the offense alone.

Okay.

All that doesn't mean that, turnover creation aside, the defense hasn't really slowed down anyone but the Rams. Which was the point of the argument.

I'm certainly not arguing that the offense hasn't been equally bad if not demonstrably worse.

 

[DallasDW00ds0n]

Defense is worse than last years. Already have given up 419 more yards than last year at this point

 

[kevm3]

Okay.

All that doesn't mean that, turnover creation aside, the defense hasn't really slowed down anyone but the Rams. Which was the point of the argument.

I'm certainly not arguing that the offense hasn't been equally bad if not demonstrably worse.

How have they not slowed anyone down? They held KC to 17 points when KC had excellent field position all game. Bus Driver Smith threw for 3 touchdowns today and the chiefs put up 31 points. Out of all of the games they've played, we held them to their lowest score all season. Same with the Rams. They scored 24, 27, and 24 in the prior 3 game to playing us. We held them to 7. That vaunted San Francisco super defense held them to 11. We've held two teams to their lowest scoring this season and the defense gets 6 turnovers from the Giants and 2 free scores off of those turnovers. The only game where the D got dismantled was this game.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

How have they not slowed anyone down? They held KC to 17 points when KC had excellent field position all game. Bus Driver Smith threw for 3 touchdowns today and the chiefs put up 31 points. Out of all of the games they've played, we held them to their lowest score all season. Same with the Rams. They scored 24, 27, and 24 in the prior 3 game to playing us. We held them to 7. That vaunted San Francisco super defense held them to 11. We've held two teams to their lowest scoring this season and the defense gets 6 turnovers from the Giants and 2 free scores off of those turnovers. The only game where the D got dismantled was this game.

Even with the 6 TO's against NY.. we still gave up 500 yards of offense. Think about that for a second.. that's terrible.

 

[kevm3]

Huh?

What's so hard to figure out? We held both the Rams and the Chiefs to their lowest scores out of all the teams they've played. The defense gave the offense 14 via 2 turnovers that were returned for scores and 4 additional opportunities to score via turnovers against the Giants... and yet the 'defense sucks'. The defense is at fault. The only constants on this team have been Garrett and Romo and we're not going to win games consistently if the offense can't put up more than two touchdowns. That's the bottom line.

What do we do next? Fire Kiffen like we did Rob Ryan? Looks like Rob Ryan is a mediocre D-coordinator with the Saints 3 and 0 record right? It's funny how year in and year out everyone else is the problem besides the 800 lb gorillas standing in the room. Besides Jerry Jones, who is the obvious problem, there have been two constants here. TO was a problem. Got rid of him. Tank Johnson and Pacman Jones, the problem. Bye bye. Overpaid O-line? See ya later. Fat and flabby Felix Jones. If we cut him, everything will be aok. Marty B! He's such a distraction. Got to get rid of him. Evil Buddy Spawn and loud mouth Ryan and his mediocre defense... we need to get rid of him and things will be ok. Now we need to get rid of Mo Claiborne. Any and everything has changed except Romo and Garrett and we keep finding some new scapegoat, and no matter what change we make, this team is still where we've always been. .500.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Defense is worse than last years. Already have given up 419 more yards than last year at this point

How can it be worse when we had literally no turnovers last year? The defense has already scored 14 points through 4 games.....

 

[KB1122]

It doesn't look good. I wonder about not using a dime package and going with the linebackers in coverage.

 

[Ring Leader]

It doesn't look good. I wonder about not using a dime package and going with the linebackers in coverage.

Linebackers in coverage? Our pro-bowl linebackers can't cover squat.

 

[KJJ]

This is pretty disheartening. Especially after what looked like early improvement by our passing defense the first 3 weeks.

Other than the takeaways I haven't seen any improvement in our coverage it's been the worst I can remember this early in the season. We've been seeing open receivers and players out of position since opening day. Eli put up 450 yards and 4 TD's in week one. Alex Smith didn't put up a lot yards in week 2 but he rarely ever puts up a lot of yards he's a game manager and he managed 2 TD passes and an efficient passer rating. Although the Cowboys shutdown Bradford in the first half last week with the Rams only gaining 26 total yards most of Bradford's 240 passing yards came in the second half. Bradford is not a very productive passer and that was probably a career best for him in a half.

What's so concerning about the pass defense isn't the yards we're giving up it's the TD's. Bending is one thing but breaking is another and the Cowboys have given up 10 TD passes in only 4 games with Peyton Manning up next. The Cowboys heavily stressed getting takeaways leading up to the season and we're seeing results but they must have forgot to stress to keep opponents out of the end zone and hold them to field goals.

 

[Idgit]

Other than the takeaways I haven't seen any improvement in our coverage it's been the worst I can remember this early in the season. We've been seeing open receivers and players out of position since opening day. Eli put up 450 yards and 4 TD's in week one. Alex Smith didn't put up a lot yards in week 2 but he rarely ever puts up a lot of yards he's a game manager and he managed 2 TD passes and an efficient passer rating. Although the Cowboys shutdown Bradford in the first half last week with the Rams only gaining 26 total yards most of Bradford's 240 passing yards came in the second half. Bradford is not a very productive passer and that was probably a career best for him in a half.

What's so concerning about the pass defense isn't the yards we're giving up it's the TD's. Bending is one thing but breaking is another and the Cowboys have given up 10 TD passes in only 4 games with Peyton Manning up next. The Cowboys heavily stressed getting takeaways leading up to the season and we're seeing results but they must have forgot to stress to keep opponents out of the end zone and hold them to field goals.

Well, opening day we had the two big blown coverages, and one was relating to a defensive call not getting in on time. I'd chalked that up to a new scheme and the big hiccup. The next two weeks we did a much better job. Today was a disaster in that regard. It's possible that it was an aberration, but given how huge a problem the pass defense has been the last several years, yeah, it was really, really disheartening.

 

[KJJ]

Well, opening day we had the two big blown coverages, and one was relating to a defensive call not getting in on time. I'd chalked that up to a new scheme and the big hiccup. The next two weeks we did a much better job. Today was a disaster in that regard. It's possible that it was an aberration, but given how huge a problem the pass defense has been the last several years, yeah, it was really, really disheartening.

It's been a trend for awhile now that's what's so discouraging about it. It's puzzling because we've added new players, changed coordinators and have a new scheme and we continue having coverage issues.

 

[Idgit]

It's been a trend for awhile now that's what's so discouraging about it. It's puzzling because we've added new players, changed coordinators and have a new scheme and we continue having coverage issues.

Yep. I find myself defending this team on a lot of fronts because I think the criticism is about stuff that doesn't really cause you to lose games. I have no idea what's up with our pass coverage, though, and it's something that absolutely guts us when we play good QBs. A lot of time it's coming from the S position, but we've dedicated resources there, to the CBs, to the DL. We've got good coverage LBs. We've got new coaches. We even got a pick-six today. It doesn't matter. We're still a bottom-10 coverage team, and that's something that can get you beat all on it's own most of the time you play. I don't even have good ideas why it's happening. But rather than talking about our OGs or our QB or our play calling all offseason, we tend to give it a pass until the regular season starts up. Nothing is going to change until we can stop teams from passing against us so effectively. It's not even going to matter if we stop bad teams from passing against us, or pass better against them. When we play the good teams with good QBs we're at a huge, huge disadvantage.

 

[Sarge]

Am I allowed to be concerned over the defense AND offense?

 

[IrishAnto]

Through 3 1/2 games I've been more than pleased.

I'm not ready to say they suck and are the worst against the pass of all time like some of you are.

They've had two turnovers in the last three games. That's not good enough.

 

[CATCH17]

The Cowboys pass coverage may not be the worst of all-time but after 4 games it sucks.

KJJ.. The entire leagues pass defense sucks. Thats my point.

All you can ask for in todays NFL is slow the other team down and get turnovers.


Houston lit up the best defense in football yesterday but Seattle created a big turnover at the end of the game.

 

[KJJ]

KJJ.. The entire leagues pass defense sucks. Thats my point.

All you can ask for in todays NFL is slow the other team down and get turnovers.


Houston lit up the best defense in football yesterday but Seattle created a big turnover at the end of the game.

It's a passing league with the rules favoring offenses and all defenses bend but you can't bend and break by allowing TD's. To slow teams down you have to keep them out of the end zone and hold them to FG attempts. The Cowboys not only got a turnover yesterday it was a pick-six but still lost by 11 points because they couldn't prevent Rivers from putting up 3 TD's and the Cowboys offense only produced 13 points. Houston lit up Seattle yesterday with a lot of yards but only came away with 20 points. The Cowboys forced 6 turnovers against the Giants on opening day including 2 defensive scores and won by only 5 points because Eli shredded the defense for 4 TD passes and the Cowboys only came away with 3 points off the Giants first 3 turnovers. You can't count on 3-4 takeaways every week and a defensive score to win games you have to hold opponents to FG's not TD's and your offense has to be able to score points. The Cowboys pass defense is so piss poor Rivers attempted 42 passes yesterday completing 83.3% which is unheard of unless you're playing pitch and catch in your backyard.

Rivers was only 2 completions off a Chargers franchise record and the Chargers are a franchise that had one of the most prolific passing attacks in NFL history led by Dan Fouts and air Coryell. You said you were pleased with what you've seen for 3 1/2 games if so you must love watching the same depressing rerun every season. The only improvement I've seen with the Cowboys is the takeaways other than that this may be a worse team than the Cowboys have had the previous 2 seasons. The Cowboys have a defense that's not only giving up mega passing yards but is on pace to give up 40 TD passes and they have an offense that doesn't score many points. That's not a very good combo and certainly not a recipe for making the playoffs.

 

[Naruto]

You know you're an 8-8 team when you can't even agree on which side of the ball is worse.