defense: "mental errors" as per tuna

[chinch]

we have alot of dumb players on defense unfortunately. tuna mentioned again basic stuff not being handled they they practiced and were well equipped and prepared for (ie. thanksgiving early bomb to galloway). this was very obvious watching live, and i'm sure scary to a coach.

time to drop the "payton is god and outcoached us" nonsense here.

 

[aquavita]

No, because it's true. These guys were not prepared and we were completely and entirely outcoached. There is no way around that.

 

[SultanOfSix]

BP has contradicted himself repeatedly. Firstly, he says that we don't have a dumb team, and they may be beat physically, but they're not going to make too many mental mistakes.

Yet, now he comes out and there were too many mental mistakes.

This has happened before. Maybe you just aren't teaching the players correctly if it isn't sinking in, because apparently they aren't dumb players.

 

[Alexander]

No, because it's true. These guys were not prepared and we were completely and entirely outcoached. There is no way around that.

If they practiced it all week and didn't use it in the game, how is it not prepared?

We obviously threw too much at a defense that has proven it cannot handle complex plans against a very tough opponent.

It is just that simple.

I don't think we are an excellently coordinated defense either, but we really weren't caught completely with our pants down. The players are ultimately responsible for what they do.

 

[Dcz84]

So when peyton said Dallas doesnt cover the flat's when they rush and that was our game plan. Who's fault is that?? The player or the person who is coaching them? This guy got out coached and is tryng to save face. They had no idea wht the Saints wre doing. This team was poorly prepared for the game. Look no thurther then Karney 3td's from a fullback. They changed the whole way they play and mixed us up pretty bad.

 

[chinch]

This has happened before. Maybe you just aren't teaching the players correctly if it isn't sinking in, because apparently they aren't dumb players.

how many times can you teach someone 2+2=4 before you send them out and hope they can grasp the basic concept of math.

he later said our BLITZ was turned loose several times and made MORE ERRORS.

no wonder why we don't blitz... these idiots can't even follow basic assignments in which they are well versed.

Players have spoken about the galloway TD and said "we were prepared for that but screwed up anyways" so stop laying it on zimmer and tuna.

 

[Rockytop6]

we have alot of dumb players on defense unfortunately. tuna mentioned again basic stuff not being handled they they practiced and were well equipped and prepared for (ie. thanksgiving early bomb to galloway). this was very obvious watching live, and i'm sure scary to a coach.

time to drop the "payton is god and outcoached us" nonsense here.

Coaches always say "Our execution. Mental errors, etc. They never admit to being outcoached. I'll take Payton in a heart beat. Call it nonsense if you want to.

 

[chinch]

So when peyton said Dallas doesnt cover the flat's when they rush and that was our game plan. Who's fault is that?? The player or the person who is coaching them? This guy got out coached and is tryng to save face. They had no idea wht the Saints wre doing. This team was poorly prepared for the game. Look no thurther then Karney 3td's from a fullback. They changed the whole way they play and mixed us up pretty bad.

Tuna explained on man-to-man we mistakenly released guys over and over creating openings that should never have existed. Simple stuff you could see alot of it watching it live.

I believe Tuna's explaination over your "we had no idea" babble.

 

[chinch]

Coaches always say "Our execution. Mental errors, etc. They never admit to being outcoached. I'll take Payton in a heart beat. Call it nonsense if you want to.

You'll take Payton... then go route for the Aints.

lame

spew all you want but you sound foolish and are simply ignorant.

he did say he needs to look to see if he didn't teach enough or gave too much responsibility (ie. Romo cited as a theoretical example) but it's not hard to grasp our D is limited by LACK OF SMARTS first and foremost.

 

[ghst187]

No, because it's true. These guys were not prepared and we were completely and entirely outcoached. There is no way around that.

WTH does a coach do? He gets his team ready to play. NO sure was ready to play. We weren't.
NO sure had a good gameplan. We didn't. And we weren't prepared for theirs nor could we adequately adjust to what they were doing.

 

[DCBoysfan]

The Saints repeatly threw in the flats to wideopen FB/RB's, it appeared watching the game that they were unpreared for what the Saints were doing. At one point the Head coach has to take responsibility. He can't have it that, when Dallas's wins he is a great coach and when they lose they are a dumb team.

 

[WoodysGirl]

If they practiced it all week and didn't use it in the game, how is it not prepared?

We obviously threw too much at a defense that has proven it cannot handle complex plans against a very tough opponent.

It is just that simple.

I don't think we are an excellently coordinated defense either, but we really weren't caught completely with our pants down. The players are ultimately responsible for what they do.

What's interesting about that is that I've read all year about how the players get frustrated with the coaching staff when the defensive gameplan is not aggressive enough. Or when it is agressive oftentimes it might be scaled back during a game, because the playcall resulted in a player being burnt.

All yesterday's game proves is maybe that's why they do that. The staff doesn't trust them enough to execute the call properly.

Now the question you ask is why. Yeah we can put it on the staff, but I might even put it on the 3-4 defense as a whole. Two years in a scheme with young evolving players, new to the system players, and maybe simply a shortage of actual talented players to properly run the scheme.

Alot of things come into play, but the reality is that this D is good to very good, but it's not elite...

 

[conner01]

i think we got out coached and out played.as for karney i don't think they spent much time scheming for a guy who has done nothing all year. you try to stop their big weapons and they where smart enough to add some new wrinkles.thats smart coaching. but i will say that every single coach in the nfl gets out coached sometimes. look at the patriots yesterday

 

[Alexander]

Coaches always say "Our execution. Mental errors, etc. They never admit to being outcoached. I'll take Payton in a heart beat. Call it nonsense if you want to.

So even if he was (which he wasn't), you would prefer he just say "yeah, I let my team be completely unprepared, it's all me".

Sorry, the Andy Reid approach doesn't appeal to me.

 

[Alexander]

What's interesting about that is that I've read all year about how the players get frustrated with the coaching staff when the defense is scaled back and how oftentimes they'll pull back on the calls after the playcall resulted in a player being burnt.

All this does is solidifies why that's the case. The staff doesn't trust them enough to execute the call properly.

Now the question you ask is why. Yeah we can put it on the staff, but I might even put it on the 3-4 defense as a whole. Two years in a scheme with young evolving players, new to the system players, and maybe simply a shortage of actual talented players to properly run the scheme.

Alot of things come into play, but the reality is that this D is good to very good, but it's not elite...

That debacle last night shows why they have trust issues.

Do not get me wrong, the Saints have a great offense, but that defensive performance was one of the worst I have ever seen.

We had units with far less talent perform better, in this era and also when Campo was here. I see players like Roy Williams and Keith Davis allow gaping holes in a zone, I fail to see how that can be considered being outcoached.

Now if you mean outcoached as Gibbs and Payton knowing our own players apparently better than we do, then we might be in agreement.

Our defense is good enough. They just need to play like they don't have their heads buried up their backsides.

 

[WoodysGirl]

That debacle last night shows why they have trust issues.

Do not get me wrong, the Saints have a great offense, but that defensive performance was one of the worst I have ever seen.

We had units with far less talent perform better, in this era and also when Campo was here. I see players like Roy Williams and Keith Davis allow gaping holes in a zone, I fail to see how that can be considered being outcoached.

Now if you mean outcoached as Gibbs and Payton knowing our own players apparently better than we do, then we might be in agreement.

Our defense is good enough. They just need to play like they don't have their heads buried up their backsides.

I'm not proposing the team was being outcoached or ill-prepared. I was chiming in specifically on this comment by you.

We obviously threw too much at a defense that has proven it cannot handle complex plans against a very tough opponent.

I was commenting on why fan expectations of the D might be too high overall and why we don't see complex defensive game plans.

Yeah the D is good enough, but they were also exposed enough to show why the Parcells and company haven't just turned the dogs loose.

 

[chinch]

That debacle last night shows why they have trust issues.

Do not get me wrong, the Saints have a great offense, but that defensive performance was one of the worst I have ever seen.

We had units with far less talent perform better, in this era and also when Campo was here. I see players like Roy Williams and Keith Davis allow gaping holes in a zone, I fail to see how that can be considered being outcoached.

Now if you mean outcoached as Gibbs and Payton knowing our own players apparently better than we do, then we might be in agreement.

Our defense is good enough. They just need to play like they don't have their heads buried up their backsides.

For sure.

Roy is so far out of coverage and taking soo many bad angles and trying to arm tackle (he's our D leader in the backfield, Brady up front) and that is bad "coaching".

No it is not.

It's bad performance by underachieving, overrated, overpaid players.

Alot of things come into play, but the reality is that this D is good to very good, but it's not elite...

Yes.

It's just curious why after a loss this "good" D can't just have a bad day without the fan tirades and overall ignorance of "we were unprepared", "we were outcoached", "some player said blah blah", "zimmer is an idiot", "the game has passed him by", etc.

 

[Dcz84]

Tuna explained on man-to-man we mistakenly released guys over and over creating openings that should never have existed. Simple stuff you could see alot of it watching it live.

I believe Tuna's explaination over your "we had no idea" babble.

Babble?? Well you can stick up for a coach that cost His team a game if you want but i'm not. Oh What did your Almighty coach say when asked why he threw the red flag that gave the Saints 15 yards on 3rd and 20. Well i didn't know about that rule. WOOOOOOOOOOOOOW. So tell me who is at fault. A coach that does'nt know the rule's, stupid player's, or a stupid coach who teach player's. That penalty on Bill was HUGE, at 14-7 they score because of his stupitiy, yet he does'nt man up and take the blame, but he'll call his player's stupid.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

maybe we had an emotional let down after barely beating the giants last week.

 

[1fisher]

maybe we had an emotional let down after barely beating the giants last week.

yea... maybe, just maybe!