Defense won't be the same defense

[Doomsday101]

Stats are misleading. You can't just take one aspect from defensive statistics like this. It could be the pass defense was good because opposing teams didn't pass much against the Cowboys because they were running it down our throats.

Teams could run when we lost the entire middle of the defense with Lee, Carter and Church. Even backups to Lee and Carter got injured and Dallas was signing guys on Monday to start the following sunday to make matters worse Ware plays the 2nd half of the season pretty much with 1 arm.

 

[JohnsKey19]

Assuming relative good health, the defense should be in the top 1/3 in the major statistical categories. My main concern is depth on the DL. Need one of those backups to emerge and bring some type of impact to the lineup.

 

[SacramentoKing]

Yes it was. We had the number one pass defense for the first many weeks of the season.

I believe they lead the league in 3 n outs also during that time

 

[Irvin88_4life]

I believe they lead the league in 3 n outs also during that time

They did, I was just saying we had top 4 defense for a few weeks. Defense really didn't get bad till the entries started pilling up

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Stats are misleading. You can't just take one aspect from defensive statistics like this. It could be the pass defense was good because opposing teams didn't pass much against the Cowboys because they were running it down our throats.

Go back and look where our defense ranked the first few weeks. I replied to a comment that said we didn't have a top 10 defense before the injuries and I commented how we did, just posted one part of the defense because we was number 1 there. Stats don't mislead, you either top 10 or not that's how you determine that is by stats.

 

[T-RO]

I agree with you to a point, but I don't think that 3-4 or Rob Ryan's scheme was conducive to young players stepping in.

I think this team has an attitude that it didn't have under Rob, or at least the capacity to follow through with that attitude.

Robb's defense had *more* attitude than this edition and its conservatism will show. Our best chance for defensive greatness left with RR. The players were devastated when Jerry made his announcement.

 

[Galian Beast]

Robb's defense had *more* attitude than this edition and its conservatism will show. Our best chance for defensive greatness left with RR. The players were devastated when Jerry made his announcement.

That's a bit of projection. The players liked Rob Ryan, but they have all praised Kiffin and Marinelli. This defensive is a lot more aggressive than Rob Ryan's read and react defense. This defense is more about speed, aggressiveness, pursuit, and instincts. Hardly conservative.

 

[T-RO]

That's a bit of projection. The players liked Rob Ryan, but they have all praised Kiffin and Marinelli. This defensive is a lot more aggressive than Rob Ryan's read and react defense. This defense is more about speed, aggressiveness, pursuit, and instincts. Hardly conservative.

You sound like today's politicians.

Try to name ONE defense in the history of the sport that won't claim as its virtues "speed, aggressiveness, pursuit and instincts." You'll fail.

Aside from the front four...The reality is that this is a bend but don't break philosophy.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Robb's defense had *more* attitude than this edition and its conservatism will show. Our best chance for defensive greatness left with RR. The players were devastated when Jerry made his announcement.

While the players liked Rob this new defense is better in so many ways. They are aggressive, running to the ball, and most of all creating turnovers. Players aren't looking as lost in this defense either

 

[Idgit]

That's a bit of projection. The players liked Rob Ryan, but they have all praised Kiffin and Marinelli. This defensive is a lot more aggressive than Rob Ryan's read and react defense. This defense is more about speed, aggressiveness, pursuit, and instincts. Hardly conservative.

He's making some wild assumptions, but he's right that the players loved RR and that they were pretty obviously upset when he was canned.

I don't care, though. If the pass defense is better and we get more turnovers, it'll be a massive improvement for the team. RR can bring his complex but ineffective defense to NO and confuse those players some while telling the press how great he is and how much he loves his new LB coach. I don't miss his bombastic nonsense and his fat Buddy Ryan-butt one bit.

 

[T-RO]

To continue my thought....

Man to man is aggressive. Press corner play is aggressive. This defense plays predominately zone, with very deep safeties. On a continuum of approaches...this is far from aggressive.

Ryan's approach was to assault from any position on the field. They could rush 2 or 8...and from any spot/position on the field.

Kiffin's approach is to not beat itself...a very vanilla conservative philosophy.

 

[T-RO]

He's making some wild assumptions, but he's right that the players loved RR and that they were pretty obviously upset when he was canned.

I don't care, though. If the pass defense is better and we get more turnovers, it'll be a massive improvement for the team. RR can bring his complex but ineffective defense to NO and confuse those players some while telling the press how great he is and how much he loves his new LB coach. I don't miss his bombastic nonsense and his fat Buddy Ryan-butt one bit.

We've dumped some very good coaches and come to regret it. Be careful when you spit into the wind.

 

[Galian Beast]

To continue my thought....

Man to man is aggressive. Press corner play is aggressive. This defense plays predominately zone, with very deep safeties. On a continuum of approaches...this is far from aggressive.

Ryan's approach was to assault from any position on the field. They could rush 2 or 8...and from any spot/position on the field.

Kiffin's approach is to not beat itself...a very vanilla conservative philosophy.

Youve created this mentality of what the Tampa 2 is in your head, and it's all perception. The Bears and Seahawks both run this defense, and it certainly isn't vanilla or conservative.

 

[Idgit]

We've dumped some very good coaches and come to regret it. Be careful when you spit into the wind.

The list of teams spitting into that particular wind is getting longer each offseason.

 

[kevm3]

How is this defense better in so many ways when all we've seen were a couple of preseason games with starters getting limited snaps? We had a top 10 defense last year until all of those injuries. This defense COULD be better, but I will wait until we start playing actual games. From what I've seen thus far in these defense, we've been getting more turnovers, but on the other hand, I see a lot more receivers wide open. I am very interested in seeing what the D will look like with our starters playing and not our backups.

 

[Galian Beast]

How is this defense better in so many ways when all we've seen were a couple of preseason games with starters getting limited snaps? We had a top 10 defense last year until all of those injuries. This defense COULD be better, but I will wait until we start playing actual games. From what I've seen thus far in these defense, we've been getting more turnovers, but on the other hand, I see a lot more receivers wide open. I am very interested in seeing what the D will look like with our starters playing and not our backups.

The players fit a 4-3 much more than they fit a 3-4. A tampa 2 even more so.

 

[percyhoward]

Stats don't mislead, you either top 10 or not that's how you determine that is by stats.

Bad stats do mislead. We were top 10 in total yards allowed, but that doesn't correlate to winning. Your defense can lead the league in 3-and-outs and still be a bad defense because of what it did in between the 3-and-outs. Of the 34 drives against our defense prior to Lee's injury that were NOT 3-and-outs, the opponent only ended up punting on 9 of them. 19 of the other 25 drives ended in scores.

After 6 games (coinciding with Lee's injury), the Cowboys' defense ranked 22nd in passer rating, 27th in TD/INT ratio, 28th in takeaways, and 29th in INT. Defensively, we were on track to finish around 5-11.

 

[Doomsday101]

Robb's defense had *more* attitude than this edition and its conservatism will show. Our best chance for defensive greatness left with RR. The players were devastated when Jerry made his announcement.

How so? Defense was trying to confuse the offense yet the only problem is the defense looked more confused than the offense. Add to that everytime we had a team in 3rd down and long we rush 3 and drop everyone back yet all the other top defense that is the time they send the kitchen sink at the QB not sit back and wait allowing the QB to have all day to find a target to move the chains.

Kiffin defense is to go after the QB and adjust to the run he is not going to sit back and play some stupid prevent style defense in 3rd down situations.

Rob talked alot and I don't dislike the man but he showed no aggression, I expected to see his fathers defense and what I saw was a very conservative approach

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Bad stats do mislead. We were top 10 in total yards allowed, but that doesn't correlate to winning. Your defense can lead the league in 3-and-outs and still be a bad defense because of what it did in between the 3-and-outs. Of the 34 drives against our defense prior to Lee's injury that were NOT 3-and-outs, the opponent only ended up punting on 9 of them. 19 of the other 25 drives ended in scores.

After 6 games (coinciding with Lee's injury), the Cowboys' defense ranked 22nd in passer rating, 27th in TD/INT ratio, 28th in takeaways, and 29th in INT. Defensively, we were on track to finish around 5-11.

Again let me say it again, someone commented that this wasn't even a top 10 defense before the injuries and I said it was wing that we was in the to 10. Didn't say anything about winning but if you wasn't to go there it was the offense and special teams mistakes that led to those losses ex. Bears game with 5 ints, Seattle game ints and block puny for td. Never said anything about winning just said the defense was ranked in the top 10 before injuries

 

[Idgit]

How is this defense better in so many ways when all we've seen were a couple of preseason games with starters getting limited snaps? We had a top 10 defense last year until all of those injuries. This defense COULD be better, but I will wait until we start playing actual games. From what I've seen thus far in these defense, we've been getting more turnovers, but on the other hand, I see a lot more receivers wide open. I am very interested in seeing what the D will look like with our starters playing and not our backups.

Either way, if it's better because of its design, or better because we're unlikely to have as many defensive injuries this season, we should see improvement on that side of the ball. Of course, what we really want to see is more takeaways.