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The reason why I'm so excited about Kris Richard and this new look secondary:

2017: Ranked 26th, 94.6
2016: 24th, 94.1
2015: 20th, 94.2
2014: 13th, 88.5
2013: 26th, 96.0
2012: 29th, 94.7
2011: 25th, 88.4
2010: 29th, 92.8
2009: 16th, 93.5
2008: 20th, 86.2
2007: 5th, 75.1
2006: 20th, 83.2
2005: 9th, 75.1
2004: 27th, 94.2
2003: 3rd, 67.6

I still have concerns at FS and would still like to see a play at getting Earl Thomas (for people who think we don't need him, they should look at our history).

I think Richard combined with this young secondary can really turn around the product we're putting out there. While the defensive line and linebackers play a large part in this as well, I think we've made decent investments in those regards.

Just a note here are the rankings for Seattle in the Richard Era

2017: 8th
2016: 9th
2015: 3rd
2014: 5th
2013: 1st
2012: 3rd
2011 (CBs coach): 6th
2010 (Assistant DB coach): 25th
2009 (pre-Richard): 28th

It should be noted that in 2010, Seattle drafted Earl Thomas in the 1st round, Kam Chancellor in the 5th. The following year they drafted Richard Sherman in the 5th and Byron Maxwell in the 6th.

I think Richard knows what to look for in secondary players. I also think he knows how to get the best out of players. It'll be interesting to see how Richard works with talent that he didn't bring in and it should also be noted that we didn't draft a single defensive back in the draft this year. We've also put absolutely no significant resources into the safety position (hence why I think trading for Earl Thomas, while expensive, is warranted). Taking the safety position for granted has helped yield these poor defensive passer rating numbers.

We haven't used a first on a safety since 2002 with Roy Williams. We haven't used more than a 3rd and when we did we grabbed a project player and didn't have the coaching to develop him. Even one of the two 4th rounders we've dropped on safeties was also a project. The other couldn't stay on the field.
 
i dont expect miracles in his first year, but he like Sanjay is already changing the cultures of their groups. Big win for the Dallas DBs. I hope and feel he ll let our talent flow instead of telling them what to do. Stick to their strengths and let it play.
 
This just pisses me off.

Why is this not the topic of every complaint thread on the site in some way shape or form? If we spent half the time complaining about this we spend talking about the offensive scheme I’d be locking horns with the grumblers about half as much.
 
Better Coach, better talent on the back end and a rotation on the D-line that should bring some heat. We should be able to cut that in half.

There is reason to be excited:thumbup:
 
Idgit said:
This just pisses me off.

Why is this not the topic of every complaint thread on the site in some way shape or form? If we spent half the time complaining about this we spend talking about the offensive scheme I’d be locking horns with the grumblers about half as much.
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Improving the pass defense and third down defense will have the biggest impact on
improving the team.
I think the corners have a chance to be real good. If Taco becomes a legitimate starter across from Lawrence the edge pressure will be much improved too, with a buttload of solid DEs behind them. Irving/Collins can certainly rush from inside. The only weaknesses are 1T and possibly safety. Now if Lee goes out can LVE and Smith step up? Sounds like backup Thomas is a LB with cover skills, so there's that.
 
It's interesting if you look at the rise of Jacksonville in QB passer rating rankings.

In 2014 they were 29th in the league. They built their secondary mostly in free agency and it paid dividends. They drafted Jalen Ramsey which also worked out well for them. Their investments all around are really paying off, where we are still in a very highly questionable position. We just have too many ifs on defense right now, that it's stunning that we aren't doing more at safety or defensive tackle.
 
Idgit said:
This just pisses me off.

Why is this not the topic of every complaint thread on the site in some way shape or form? If we spent half the time complaining about this we spend talking about the offensive scheme I’d be locking horns with the grumblers about half as much.
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Hah yeah.

His job last season is underrated considering he lost Sherman and Kam late in theseason. He shut down Philly last year without them.
 
Idgit said:
This just pisses me off.

Why is this not the topic of every complaint thread on the site in some way shape or form? If we spent half the time complaining about this we spend talking about the offensive scheme I’d be locking horns with the grumblers about half as much.
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Agreed.

And the answer for the improving the pass defense according to some has been "Improve the pass rush".

Well guess what?

During many of those seasons listed the Cowboys had a better than average to good to very good pass rush.

And it did little to improve the pass defense.

The secondary simply wasn't good enough and many of the linebackers couldn't cover. And even if they could cover, like Sean Lee, they still weren't getting deep enough on their coverage drops.

The last time this team had a good pass defense Zimmer was the coordinator.
 
MichaelWinicki said:
Agreed.

And the answer for the improving the pass defense according to some has been "Improve the pass rush".

Well guess what?

During many of those seasons listed the Cowboys had a better than average to good to very good pass rush.

And it did little to improve the pass defense.

The secondary simply wasn't good enough and many of the linebackers couldn't cover. And even if they could cover, like Sean Lee, they still weren't getting deep enough on their coverage drops.

The last time this team had a good pass defense Zimmer was the coordinator.
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LBs not getting fee enough? At times they seemed too deep, giving up easy 5-7 yard passes with regularity because our backers were 12-15 yards downfield.
 
Fantastic Thread o.p.:clap:

Just( hopefully) moving the needle 9-10 slot placements up in pass defence dominance rankings
is gonna prove HUGE:thumbup:



:starspin:
 
Galian Beast said:
The reason why I'm so excited about Kris Richard and this new look secondary:

2017: Ranked 26th, 94.6
2016: 24th, 94.1
2015: 20th, 94.2
2014: 13th, 88.5
2013: 26th, 96.0
2012: 29th, 94.7
2011: 25th, 88.4
2010: 29th, 92.8
2009: 16th, 93.5
2008: 20th, 86.2
2007: 5th, 75.1
2006: 20th, 83.2
2005: 9th, 75.1
2004: 27th, 94.2
2003: 3rd, 67.6

I still have concerns at FS and would still like to see a play at getting Earl Thomas (for people who think we don't need him, they should look at our history).

I think Richard combined with this young secondary can really turn around the product we're putting out there. While the defensive line and linebackers play a large part in this as well, I think we've made decent investments in those regards.

Just a note here are the rankings for Seattle in the Richard Era

2017: 8th
2016: 9th
2015: 3rd
2014: 5th
2013: 1st
2012: 3rd
2011 (CBs coach): 6th
2010 (Assistant DB coach): 25th
2009 (pre-Richard): 28th

It should be noted that in 2010, Seattle drafted Earl Thomas in the 1st round, Kam Chancellor in the 5th. The following year they drafted Richard Sherman in the 5th and Byron Maxwell in the 6th.

I think Richard knows what to look for in secondary players. I also think he knows how to get the best out of players. It'll be interesting to see how Richard works with talent that he didn't bring in and it should also be noted that we didn't draft a single defensive back in the draft this year. We've also put absolutely no significant resources into the safety position (hence why I think trading for Earl Thomas, while expensive, is warranted). Taking the safety position for granted has helped yield these poor defensive passer rating numbers.

We haven't used a first on a safety since 2002 with Roy Williams. We haven't used more than a 3rd and when we did we grabbed a project player and didn't have the coaching to develop him. Even one of the two 4th rounders we've dropped on safeties was also a project. The other couldn't stay on the field.
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Good post.

So Kris Richard was fired after his defense was 3rd, 9th and 8th in Defensive Passer Rating...
 
Jake said:
And 29th in 3rd down conversions given up. That's not a coincidence.

Lots of room for improvement.
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There are going to be several reasons why Richard's god status will drop once games are played. This is one of them. Second, this is still Marinelli's defense.

I am glad he is not Joe Baker, but to expect a transformative change on this defense is expecting a lot. As long as he does a good job of coaching a very young secondary, that should be enough for now. You have some people thinking he should be the head coach. It is crazy.
 
FuzzyLumpkins said:
Marinelli doesn't have a coverage scheme. We have gone from cover 3 to man hybrid to cover 2 now back to cover 3 as the pass coverage coord has evolved.
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Got it, so the defensive coordinator has nothing to do with how the defense plays in coverage. Man keeping teaching us your l2football ways.
 
I like this topic, but I will say one thing.

Passer rating allowed isn't only attributed to DBs. Not even close. DL and LBs also play a big role in this statistic. It also doesn't take into account down and distance. That's why I like to use footballoursiders pass defense DVOA.
 
Galian Beast said:
The reason why I'm so excited about Kris Richard and this new look secondary:

2017: Ranked 26th, 94.6
2016: 24th, 94.1
2015: 20th, 94.2
2014: 13th, 88.5
2013: 26th, 96.0
2012: 29th, 94.7
2011: 25th, 88.4
2010: 29th, 92.8
2009: 16th, 93.5
2008: 20th, 86.2
2007: 5th, 75.1
2006: 20th, 83.2
2005: 9th, 75.1
2004: 27th, 94.2
2003: 3rd, 67.6

I still have concerns at FS and would still like to see a play at getting Earl Thomas (for people who think we don't need him, they should look at our history).

I think Richard combined with this young secondary can really turn around the product we're putting out there. While the defensive line and linebackers play a large part in this as well, I think we've made decent investments in those regards.

Just a note here are the rankings for Seattle in the Richard Era

2017: 8th
2016: 9th
2015: 3rd
2014: 5th
2013: 1st
2012: 3rd
2011 (CBs coach): 6th
2010 (Assistant DB coach): 25th
2009 (pre-Richard): 28th

It should be noted that in 2010, Seattle drafted Earl Thomas in the 1st round, Kam Chancellor in the 5th. The following year they drafted Richard Sherman in the 5th and Byron Maxwell in the 6th.

I think Richard knows what to look for in secondary players. I also think he knows how to get the best out of players. It'll be interesting to see how Richard works with talent that he didn't bring in and it should also be noted that we didn't draft a single defensive back in the draft this year. We've also put absolutely no significant resources into the safety position (hence why I think trading for Earl Thomas, while expensive, is warranted). Taking the safety position for granted has helped yield these poor defensive passer rating numbers.

We haven't used a first on a safety since 2002 with Roy Williams. We haven't used more than a 3rd and when we did we grabbed a project player and didn't have the coaching to develop him. Even one of the two 4th rounders we've dropped on safeties was also a project. The other couldn't stay on the field.
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I learned from Percy, the resident analytics expert, that DPR is the most important correlative stat to winning in the NFL and virtually unmatched in winning playoff games and nothing else comes close. As an example here's a snapshot.

2017 Best DPR

Jacksonville
Los Angeles Rams
Philadelphia
Baltimore

2017 Worst

Cleveland
Oakland
Green Bay
Houston

Only one team in NFL history has EVER won a SB with a bottom 5 DPR? That was the Packers with Aaron Rodgers. The reason it's so relevant is that it is impossible to get by good QB's in the playoffs with a bad pass defense.

As Percy has stated many times, it's the reason Tony never really had a chance at a Super Bowl.
 
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