Deforest Buckner

[TheFinisher]

Well you quoted my post....I said he wasn't considered a pass rusher in the 4-3 and all you have done is bring up stats he's done in the interior. I appreciate the stats....I wonder what it says that he can't get any sacks but can get pressure and hurries.

Yeah he wasn't a 4-3 RE if that's what you're saying. He would have been a defensive tackle here like he is in SF. I still don't understand why it matters that he's a DT and not a RE? You need production and disruption all across the DL, you could even make the argument that 3T is the most important position on this defense.

 

[Vinnie2u]

The greatest Draft In NFL history is getting worse by the year.

 

[TheFinisher]

10 pounds

Buckner 300

Irving 290

Yeah, Irving is listed at 273 on some rosters. He might be closer to that 290 listing.

The point is that Buckner is a similar player with more power to his game.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

The pick would've been Ramsey, as it should have been.

Drafting a RB at 4th overall was just plain dumb. Jordan Howard would look near the same as Elliot did last year.

It doesn't matter how he would look. It matters the impact. McFadden had 1k yards in what? 12 games as a starter? And we still sucked. Zeke's impact.

Yeah he wasn't a 4-3 RE if that's what you're saying. He would have been a defensive tackle here like he is in SF. I still don't understand why it matters that he's a DT and not a RE? You need production and disruption all across the DL, you could even make the argument that 3T is the most important position on this defense.

You don't invest a top 4 pick in a dt.

 

[canters]

#99 could beat us by himself.

 

[UncleOscar]

Two words: Jerry Jones....I mean Quick Twitch.

 

[DeaconMoss]

Armstead Buckner and Thomas are a pretty good front

 

[Proof]

I really liked him in the draft. Nice to see him reaching his potential. Hopefully not on Sunday tho

 

[Toruk_Makto]

One of the most misleading things I hear fans say is the "they are in all their games"....that means nothing. Thst means you can't close games which is what bad teams do. How many games were we in when we went 4-12? We rarely if ever got destroyed.....

No the issue is that almost every team in the league wins roughly 50% of their close games. So a team to lose 5 straight games by 3 points or less is incredibly rare.....in fact it had never happened before in the history of the National Football League.

If you're looking for an easy way to predict over or underperformance for a team one year to the next....an easy way is to look at how they performed in close games. Short the teams that did significantly better than 0.500 in close games and buy the teams that did significantly worse than 0.500 in one score games.

This is Football 101.

 

[TheFinisher]

It doesn't matter how he would look. It matters the impact. McFadden had 1k yards in what? 12 games as a starter? And we still sucked. Zeke's impact.


You don't invest a top 4 pick in a dt.

You support investing a top 4 pick in a RB but not on a DT?

I don't think many would agree with that line of thinking, but you're entitled to it.

 

[Redball Express]

Remember this name from the 2016 draft? He was one of the handful of guys linked to us at 4th overall. We obviously picked Zeke, and Buckner was snatched up by SF at 7. I was really intrigued by his ceiling, and at one point was the guy I wanted at #4.

He's putting it all together this year and has been arguably the most disruptive interior defender in the NFL. He's figured out how to use his length and leverage on shorter, compact guards... similar to how our own David Irving uses those tools but Buckner is about 30 pounds heavier and has a different set of power elements to his game.

This isn't intended to be a hindsight rueage thread saying we should have picked him over zeke. It's simply something to watch for in Sunday's game because I know a lot of us studied Buckner closely leading up to that draft.

If SF has any chance of beating us, it's gonna start with 99. He's a potential game wrecker on that defensive line.

Rueage?

I think you win the award For Best Use of a Dated Concept.

I thought that was about chewing your cud.

No..

that's rumenating.

Never mind.

 

[John813]

It doesn't matter how he would look. It matters the impact. McFadden had 1k yards in what? 12 games as a starter? And we still sucked. Zeke's impact.


You don't invest a top 4 pick in a dt.

Also had Cassell and Weeden as Quarterbacks, and a broken Dez at WR trying to play.
Zeke had an impact, yes, however, the bigger change from the 2015 season to the 2016 season was the smart play by Dak. We went from being an inept passing team to a team that still leaned on the run but when we had to pass the QB was smart with the ball and made plays when needed.
Zeke won us games last year. Bengals, Steelers, and a few more he put the team on his back. However, I'm not sure we win some of those games he carried us if Cassel/Weed was the QB

 

[Toruk_Makto]

It doesn't matter how he would look. It matters the impact. McFadden had 1k yards in what? 12 games as a starter? And we still sucked. Zeke's impact.

Yes impact of the QB position. Not the RB position. You proved it yourself. Mcfadden on a per play basis was almost as effective as Zeke. If anything McFadden's performance was more impressive due to the state of the QB play. What you just proved is that great rushing efficiency alone does not win NFL games. It's never proven to be causal to winning and likely never will be.

You don't invest a top 4 pick in a dt.

What in the world? You'd invest in the RB with a top pick but not invest on your defensive line with a top pick? Yikes.

 

[Plankton]

It doesn't matter how he would look. It matters the impact. McFadden had 1k yards in what? 12 games as a starter? And we still sucked. Zeke's impact.


You don't invest a top 4 pick in a dt.

You wouldn't take Ndamukong Suh or Gerald McCoy with a top four pick?

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Yes impact of the QB position. Not the RB position. You proved it yourself. Mcfadden on a per play basis was almost as effective as Zeke. If anything McFadden's performance was more impressive due to the state of the QB play. What you just proved is that great rushing efficiency alone does not win NFL games. It's never proven to be causal to winning and likely never will be.


What in the world? You'd invest in the RB with a top pick but not invest on your defensive line with a top pick? Yikes.

McFadden had 3 touchdowns.....Zeke was responsible for 16...........That's why you invest a 4th pick on a back.....to get 16 touchdowns.

Nice try. I said DT.....I didn't say defensive line.

No the issue is that almost every team in the league wins roughly 50% of their close games. So a team to lose 5 straight games by 3 points or less is incredibly rare.....in fact it had never happened before in the history of the National Football League.

If you're looking for an easy way to predict over or underperformance for a team one year to the next....an easy way is to look at how they performed in close games. Short the teams that did significantly better than 0.500 in close games and buy the teams that did significantly worse than 0.500 in one score games.

This is Football 101.

What's your point?

The 49ers aren't a bad team?

You support investing a top 4 pick in a RB but not on a DT?

I don't think many would agree with that line of thinking, but you're entitled to it.

Yes I do support it.....If you're a bad team like we were.....and you guarantee me I can et 16 touchdowns from that running back? Yes, I'd take it. How many DT's can you recall were top 5 picks?

People want to revise history but remember last year was about extending Romo's career. Taking advantage of his prime years. We didn't have time to rate for a defensive tackle to develop.

Also had Cassell and Weeden as Quarterbacks, and a broken Dez at WR trying to play.
Zeke had an impact, yes, however, the bigger change from the 2015 season to the 2016 season was the smart play by Dak. We went from being an inept passing team to a team that still leaned on the run but when we had to pass the QB was smart with the ball and made plays when needed.
Zeke won us games last year. Bengals, Steelers, and a few more he put the team on his back. However, I'm not sure we win some of those games he carried us if Cassel/Weed was the QB

I'm not denying Dak's impact......I'm just not willing to say Zeke had nothing to do with it. Dak and Zeke helped each other out. They fed off each other.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

You wouldn't take Ndamukong Suh or Gerald McCoy with a top four pick?

Naw I wouldn't...for as dominate as they are.....their impact doesn't have the same impact a Zeke does. As you can see, those teams are perennial bad teams every year.

 

[cowboy_ron]

Welp, if this doesn't cure constipation I don't know what will.

 

[theebs]

He is one of the reasons they changed defenses. Read an article yesterday about how he had over 1000 snaps last year as a rookie and how crazy that was.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

McFadden had 3 touchdowns.....Zeke was responsible for 16...........That's why you invest a 4th pick on a back.....to get 16 touchdowns.

So Zeke is on pace for just 9.6 TDs this year. Is Zeke 60% a worse player at age 22 than he was at age 21? Or more accurately are TDs a player scores not solely about them?

Think about this question and how you might apply it to McFadden in 2015 and Zeke in 2016.

Nice try. I said DT.....I didn't say defensive line.

You wouldn't take Watt or Donald top 4? They are interior defenders.

What's your point?

The 49ers aren't a bad team?

I think my point was obvious. Teams win 50% of their close games on average across most every team.

Yes I do support it.....If you're a bad team like we were.....and you guarantee me I can et 16 touchdowns from that running back? Yes, I'd take it. How many DT's can you recall were top 5 picks?

Is that guarantee only good for one year? Or is Zeke scoring 13 tds in the next 11 games he plays (with 3 in his first 5)? Seems like a trash guarantee. Also this is not how NFL drafts work.

People want to revise history but remember last year was about extending Romo's career. Taking advantage of his prime years. We didn't have time to rate for a defensive tackle to develop.

The draft is about acquiring talent. It's never successfully about one guy. As drafting Zeke should show you.

I'm not denying Dak's impact......I'm just not willing to say Zeke had nothing to do with it. Dak and Zeke helped each other out. They fed off each other.

Exactly nobody has said Zeke had nothing to do with making Dak's life easier last year. Exactly no one. This year should show you though that is wasn't Zeke alone who provided "impact" for our success last year. Which anyone who follows the game could have told you was the case.

 

[jblaze2004]

We have Taco we are not worried about
Deforest Buckner

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