Deforest Buckner

[TheFinisher]

Yes I do support it.....If you're a bad team like we were.....and you guarantee me I can et 16 touchdowns from that running back? Yes, I'd take it. How many DT's can you recall were top 5 picks?

Leonard Williams, Marcell Dareus, Ndamukong Suh and Gerald McCoy were all recently selected in that range. There have been plenty of other DTs selected in the top 15, certainly more DTs selected in that range than RBs over the past 7-10 years. Heck, there was even a 3 year drought of a RB getting selected in the 1st round because it has been recognized as a devalued position.

This is a silly argument, recent history shows where the league stands on the value of a DT compared to a RB.

People want to revise history but remember last year was about extending Romo's career. Taking advantage of his prime years. We didn't have time to rate for a defensive tackle to develop.

I fully recognize this was the reason that prompted them to select Elliott. And it was an idiotic reason to do so. Classic Jerry Jones instant gratification logic.

Draft picks are long term investments, top 5 picks in particular should be foundational pieces for your team for the next 10 years. You don't spend a top 5 pick in the hopes that it'll help your aging/injury prone QB make one last run before going into retirement... you make that pick with a 5-10 year vision in mind.

If you want to load up for one final hurrah with Romo, go out and sign a bunch of FAs... don't do it with the most valuable draft pick this team has had in 25 years.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

So Zeke is on pace for just 9.6 TDs this year. Is Zeke 60% a worse player at age 22 than he was at age 21? Or more accurately are TDs a player scores not solely about them?

Think about this question and how you might apply it to McFadden in 2015 and Zeke in 2016.

I don't know what's going on with Zeke. I don't know if its him or if its how teams are playing us. I don't know if the offensive line has regressed. We will know by seasons end what it is. As of right now its too early to tell.

You wouldn't take Watt or Donald top 4? They are interior defenders.

Yes..I'd take either of those guys with a top 4 pick.

Funny though.....neither one was even a top 10 pick......but seeing what they've become....yes, I'd take both of them.

I think my point was obvious. Teams win 50% of their close games on average across most every team.

Teams? Or the 49ers? Bad teams lose close games almost every week in the NFL.

The draft is about acquiring talent. It's never successfully about one guy. As drafting Zeke should show you.


Exactly nobody has said Zeke had nothing to do with making Dak's life easier last year. Exactly no one. This year should show you though that is wasn't Zeke alone who provided "impact" for our success last year. Which anyone who follows the game could have told you was the case.

The draft is about acquiring talent....that I agree. We had a great draft last year and Zeke was a great talent.

I don't recall anyone saying Zeke was the only reason they won last year.....there were several reasons. Zeke was a big part of that. As you can see by how teams are playing us this year.

 

[CF74]

He was somebody I considered but many draft experts said he was not worthy of 4rth overall. He was projected 8-12 if I recall...

 

[Screw The Hall]

Remember this name from the 2016 draft? He was one of the handful of guys linked to us at 4th overall. We obviously picked Zeke, and Buckner was snatched up by SF at 7. I was really intrigued by his ceiling, and at one point was the guy I wanted at #4.

He's putting it all together this year and has been arguably the most disruptive interior defender in the NFL. He's figured out how to use his length and leverage on shorter, compact guards... similar to how our own David Irving uses those tools but Buckner is about 30 pounds heavier and has a different set of power elements to his game.

This isn't intended to be a hindsight rueage thread saying we should have picked him over zeke. It's simply something to watch for in Sunday's game because I know a lot of us studied Buckner closely leading up to that draft.

If SF has any chance of beating us, it's gonna start with 99. He's a potential game wrecker on that defensive line.

He's a beast. A beast that's going to be around a while.

 

[HungryLion]

to everyone saying you don’t take a RB with the #4 pick. Please explain how this past draft, 2 running backs went top 10.

Btw, another RB will probably be top 5 in the next draft- Saquon Barkley from penn state.

The league is constantly changing and evolving. Running back is being viewed as a premier position again by many teams across the league. As it should be.

And to everybody using season long statistics to measure a RB’s impact, you are missing the point entirely. The difference between a guy like Zeke and a lesser RB is when a play should get 0 yards and he turns it into 3. Or when a play should get 8 yards and he turns it into 35 yards. Those plays are what makes the difference in wins and losses. Watch the tape from last year and most of the games, except Denver this year. Zeke has been elite. It’s really not even an argument and there isn’t a chance in hell the team goes 13-3 last year with McFadden instead of Zeke. No chance in hell.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

to everyone saying you don’t take a RB with the #4 pick. Please explain how this past draft, 2 running backs went top 10.

Btw, another RB will probably be top 5 in the next draft- Saquon Barkley from penn state.

The league is constantly changing and evolving. Running back is being viewed as a premier position again by many teams across the league. As it should be.

And to everybody using season long statistics to measure a RB’s impact, you are missing the point entirely. The difference between a guy like Zeke and a lesser RB is when a play should get 0 yards and he turns it into 3. Or when a play should get 8 yards and he turns it into 35 yards. Those plays are what makes the difference in wins and losses. Watch the tape from last year and most of the games, except Denver this year. Zeke has been elite. It’s really not even an argument and there isn’t a chance in hell the team goes 13-3 last year with McFadden instead of Zeke. No chance in hell.

Todd Gurley also would've been a top 5 pick had he not gotten hurt.

People keep talking bout what others do...man you take the best player available. No matter what position.

 

[TheFinisher]

to everyone saying you don’t take a RB with the #4 pick. Please explain how this past draft, 2 running backs went top 10.

Btw, another RB will probably be top 5 in the next draft- Saquon Barkley from penn state.

The league is constantly changing and evolving. Running back is being viewed as a premier position again by many teams across the league. As it should be.

And to everybody using season long statistics to measure a RB’s impact, you are missing the point entirely. The difference between a guy like Zeke and a lesser RB is when a play should get 0 yards and he turns it into 3. Or when a play should get 8 yards and he turns it into 35 yards. Those plays are what makes the difference in wins and losses. Watch the tape from last year and most of the games, except Denver this year. Zeke has been elite. It’s really not even an argument and there isn’t a chance in hell the team goes 13-3 last year with McFadden instead of Zeke. No chance in hell.

I think everyone understands the reasoning behind taking a RB that high, they're valid reasons and if the player is good enough, sure, take him.

The responses were more aimed at the suggestion that DTs don't warrant a top 5 selection which is, of course, ludicrous.

 

[TheFinisher]

Todd Gurley also would've been a top 5 pick had he not gotten hurt.

People keep talking bout what others do...man you take the best player available. No matter what position.

So why does that logic not apply to DTs?

 

[LatinMind]

Remember this name from the 2016 draft? He was one of the handful of guys linked to us at 4th overall. We obviously picked Zeke, and Buckner was snatched up by SF at 7. I was really intrigued by his ceiling, and at one point was the guy I wanted at #4.

He's putting it all together this year and has been arguably the most disruptive interior defender in the NFL. He's figured out how to use his length and leverage on shorter, compact guards... similar to how our own David Irving uses those tools but Buckner is about 30 pounds heavier and has a different set of power elements to his game.

This isn't intended to be a hindsight rueage thread saying we should have picked him over zeke. It's simply something to watch for in Sunday's game because I know a lot of us studied Buckner closely leading up to that draft.

If SF has any chance of beating us, it's gonna start with 99. He's a potential game wrecker on that defensive line.

Buckner 6 games
21 tackles 13 qb hits 2 sacks

David Irving 1 game
3 tackles 3 qb hits 2 sacks

Ill take Irving every sunday

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

So why does that logic not apply to DTs?

It does apply. IF the best player available is a defensive tackle then yes you take him. I don't think Buckner was the best player available at #4.

 

[ilykdrama]

With how our Oline has been playing he'll eat any of them alive. Yes, even Tyron.

 

[Verdict]

We have Taco we are not worried about
Deforest Buckner

lol

I soft Taco with wilted lettuce.

 

[Verdict]

Leonard Williams, Marcell Dareus, Ndamukong Suh and Gerald McCoy were all recently selected in that range. There have been plenty of other DTs selected in the top 15, certainly more DTs selected in that range than RBs over the past 7-10 years. Heck, there was even a 3 year drought of a RB getting selected in the 1st round because it has been recognized as a devalued position.

This is a silly argument, recent history shows where the league stands on the value of a DT compared to a RB.



I fully recognize this was the reason that prompted them to select Elliott. And it was an idiotic reason to do so. Classic Jerry Jones instant gratification logic.

Draft picks are long term investments, top 5 picks in particular should be foundational pieces for your team for the next 10 years. You don't spend a top 5 pick in the hopes that it'll help your aging/injury prone QB make one last run before going into retirement... you make that pick with a 5-10 year vision in mind.

If you want to load up for one final hurrah with Romo, go out and sign a bunch of FAs... don't do it with the most valuable draft pick this team has had in 25 years.

You look at what is available when you draft and you take the best player available. We did that. It's hard to argue with taking the best player available.

 

[gmoney112]

Buckner is playing well, I'm a little surprised and so are probably most people that follow the draft. He was drafted as a 3-4 end, 5 tech, and I wasn't really a big fan. Playing well though. Let's see if he keeps it up.

A back like Zeke, and really to even be considered a top 10 pick, you have to be an elite runner but also able to pass protect as well as catch a little bit. Pass protection is essential and those guys aren't easy to find. Zeke was elite in everything, he had a lot of value. Given the OL and that you hopefully had a young franchise QB, it's really hard to say the pick wasn't justified. Maybe in a few years if Ramsey is a multi All Pro, but right now that's just a big bucket of meh.

That being said, I'm sure Travis will be helping on Buckner, that'll be fun to watch.

 

[boysfanindc]

Remember this name from the 2016 draft? He was one of the handful of guys linked to us at 4th overall. We obviously picked Zeke, and Buckner was snatched up by SF at 7. I was really intrigued by his ceiling, and at one point was the guy I wanted at #4.

He's putting it all together this year and has been arguably the most disruptive interior defender in the NFL. He's figured out how to use his length and leverage on shorter, compact guards... similar to how our own David Irving uses those tools but Buckner is about 30 pounds heavier and has a different set of power elements to his game.

This isn't intended to be a hindsight rueage thread saying we should have picked him over zeke. It's simply something to watch for in Sunday's game because I know a lot of us studied Buckner closely leading up to that draft.

If SF has any chance of beating us, it's gonna start with 99. He's a potential game wrecker on that defensive line.

I agree thought the same thing at the time.

 

[Gaede]

I really liked him in the draft. Nice to see him reaching his potential. Hopefully not on Sunday tho

Me too.

He was a bit of a one trick pony but the size and speed were intriguing.

 

[Aven8]

Meh, he's a stud but it's always hard to judge those Oregon players. Lots of bust.

And for those saying it was dumb to take Zeke and get a RB later, remember how that worked out when we let Demarco go? 2nd round came, 3rd, 4th, etc etc. Zeke is a once in a lifetime talent folks.

 

[TNCowboy]

We have Taco we are not worried about
Deforest Buckner

lol

It will eat at me for years that we wasted a 1st rounder on him.

 

[superonyx]

Leonard Williams, Marcell Dareus, Ndamukong Suh and Gerald McCoy were all recently selected in that range. There have been plenty of other DTs selected in the top 15, certainly more DTs selected in that range than RBs over the past 7-10 years. Heck, there was even a 3 year drought of a RB getting selected in the 1st round because it has been recognized as a devalued position.

This is a silly argument, recent history shows where the league stands on the value of a DT compared to a RB.



I fully recognize this was the reason that prompted them to select Elliott. And it was an idiotic reason to do so. Classic Jerry Jones instant gratification logic.

Draft picks are long term investments, top 5 picks in particular should be foundational pieces for your team for the next 10 years. You don't spend a top 5 pick in the hopes that it'll help your aging/injury prone QB make one last run before going into retirement... you make that pick with a 5-10 year vision in mind.

If you want to load up for one final hurrah with Romo, go out and sign a bunch of FAs... don't do it with the most valuable draft pick this team has had in 25 years.

If you have a player rated as a potential hall of fame level talent then you may draft him higher than where you may think this position warrants. We can't know where Jerry and Co had Buckner or Ramsey rated. What we have here are fans who didn't get the player they wanted who feel that the motives for the team drafting a different player were shallow and not well thought out.
Maybe the cowboys had Zeke rated higher and more valuable to their next 10 years than Buckner. Every college player comes with a certain level of risk. All of them. This old idea that a RB isn't worth a top 10 draft pick seems to have changed in recent years, Gurley, Zeke, Fournette.
I feel pretty confident that if the Jerry called the niners today and offered Zeke straight up for Buckner the niners would jump all over that.

 

[xwalker]

Remember this name from the 2016 draft? He was one of the handful of guys linked to us at 4th overall. We obviously picked Zeke, and Buckner was snatched up by SF at 7. I was really intrigued by his ceiling, and at one point was the guy I wanted at #4.

He's putting it all together this year and has been arguably the most disruptive interior defender in the NFL. He's figured out how to use his length and leverage on shorter, compact guards... similar to how our own David Irving uses those tools but Buckner is about 30 pounds heavier and has a different set of power elements to his game.

This isn't intended to be a hindsight rueage thread saying we should have picked him over zeke. It's simply something to watch for in Sunday's game because I know a lot of us studied Buckner closely leading up to that draft.

If SF has any chance of beating us, it's gonna start with 99. He's a potential game wrecker on that defensive line.

Does he get time off to appear at Star Trek conventions?