Deion Said Ray Lewis Said the Cowboys Run one of the Simplest Offenses in the League

[khiladi]

oh really. So a cover 2 look is a man defense?

ok. And another thing, I have hardly put any effort into defending garrett. I can if you want me to, but your usual he sucks routine in most cases pretty much ends the conversation.

like for instance, I say. Garrett had the perfect call on 3rd and 2, he calls an option to choice and it would have been a big play, not just a first down, except rookie tashard choice made a rookie mistake and looked up field and lost sight of the ball and fumbled and then goes out of bounds short of the first down. Clearly the play call was good, very good but the execution was very poor.

your response, Garrett sucks. He should have run a draw or thrown a slant to T.O.

then in one minute later your in another thread saying all garrett does is run draws and everyone knows its coming....

funny how that happens like that isnt it. So give me one reason why I would sit and waste my time arguing with that type of crap that is always pulled here?

Your the one responding to my posts. I'm not talking to you, so what the hell are you complaining about?

Further, I actually said that was a good call by Garrett.

And guess what? You know what type of play that was? It was a QB option, a play that Garrett hasn't called all year long. So once again, you resort to some 'abberation' to try and prove that Garrett is somehow genius.

So who is the one that is illogical... Hell, I can point out plays where Garrett keeps calling, 1st down pass for nothing, 2nd down run, 3rd down bomb... over and over again...

 

[BruceWayne]

Did Ray Lewis also vow to go find the rightful murderer who just happened to look like him and be present in the same place that night nearly nine years ago on Super Bowl eve?

for real are you serious

 

[theebs]

While Sanders may be an idiot overall in his commentary, he surely knows coverage and terminology when he sees it. It is simply that, cover-2 man, with the safeties playing deep, and the CBs and LBs playing man.

BTW, the defenses have been doing that all year long. It isn't anything new, which is the whole point. Jason Garrett hasn't adjusted, and that is why the defense keeps dropping back 6 or 7 players, and guys keep running free to the QB. We are trying to go for a kill-shot everytime, putting way too much pressure on this OL to hold up protection for these deep routes that go right, smack into the coverage.

Our offensive line looks JV for a reason, despite being one of the biggest in the league.

There isa reason Ray Lewis said we were simple.

Your boy is sucking it up right now, and this team is suffering because of it.

what your describing, isnt what cover 2 is. Cover 2, has the corners run short zones while the safeties split the field in half. Your thinking of 2 man under, which has different responsibilities for the linebackers and has the corners staying on their wr all the way throughout the route.

and again, you can call it whatever you want. IF the defense drops 7 in man or zone and rushes 4 and 2 guys are getting free runs at your quarterback then someone is confused. Twice tonight romo had roy williams down the field, but because flozell and procter were confused and not on the same page romo was forced to roll to his right. Once he had roy williams all alone because the ravens made a mistake but romo had to roll to his right and hope to not get killed and he just flipped it to choice for 4 yards.

The playcall worked, the execution was bad. Plus it looked like the wr were not in sync on what the defense was doing. They never seemed to adjust their routes when baltimore came after romo. I am not sure how you can put that on the coordinator. I think everyone takes blame after a game like this, but at the same time if individual players execute on a handful of plays we score a bunch of points and no one is talking about this.

 

[28 Joker]

exactly.

I'm not sure the toughness of the last four games is really appreciated here. If we end up 2-2 vs this slate, I'd say we did all right.

I agree. That is four brutal defenses.

If we could just get a little lead at Philadelphia, late and finish them off with a pick six, I would love it.

The Cowboys will be underdogs. I kind of like it. Dallas must run the fooball. Choice can do it. He needs 25 carries in that game.

 

[theebs]

Your the one responding to my posts. I'm not talking to you, so what the hell are you complaining about?

Further, I actually said that was a good call by Garrett.

And guess what? You know what type of play that was? It was a QB option, a play that Garrett hasn't called all year long. So once again, you resort to some 'abberation' to try and prove that Garrett is somehow genius.

So who is the one that is illogical... Hell, I can point out plays where Garrett keeps calling, 1st down pass for nothing, 2nd down run, 3rd down bomb... over and over again...

felix jones scored on that play against cincinnatti on the same end of the field in the same exact scenario. It wasnt executed and it cost us points. You cant blame anyone but choice and he just flinched for a half a second, he is a rookie sometimes that happens.

 

[theebs]

Your the one responding to my posts. I'm not talking to you, so what the hell are you complaining about?

Further, I actually said that was a good call by Garrett.

And guess what? You know what type of play that was? It was a QB option, a play that Garrett hasn't called all year long. So once again, you resort to some 'abberation' to try and prove that Garrett is somehow genius.

So who is the one that is illogical... Hell, I can point out plays where Garrett keeps calling, 1st down pass for nothing, 2nd down run, 3rd down bomb... over and over again...

Your reacting to where the ball is being thrown, not what the play call is. We dont know who plays are designed for and why they are called in specific situations and against specific defensive looks.

 

[khiladi]

what your describing, isnt what cover 2 is. Cover 2, has the corners run short zones while the safeties split the field in half. Your thinking of 2 man under, which has different responsibilities for the linebackers and has the corners staying on their wr all the way throughout the route.

I didn't call it cover-2. I called it cover-2 man, which is when both the CBs and LBs play man coverage. Like I said, google it if you want.

and again, you can call it whatever you want. IF the defense drops 7 in man or zone and rushes 4 and 2 guys are getting free runs at your quarterback then someone is confused. Twice tonight romo had roy williams down the field, but because flozell and procter were confused and not on the same page romo was forced to roll to his right. Once he had roy williams all alone because the ravens made a mistake but romo had to roll to his right and hope to not get killed and he just flipped it to choice for 4 yards.

I know they have been getting confused, and they have been getting confused all year. And because it has been happening all year long, then it surely is c aoching fault. Jason Garrett calls for plays that have a particular offensive line schema. They obviously aren't working. Teams are willing to put their CBs in certain man situations, because they know they can get to the QB before a WR can get open. Over and over again it happens. Our routes are too deep all the time... Spagnola knew WRs could get behind last year in the play-offs, but he also hedged his bets on them getting to Romo and putting pressure on him to make a bad throw... It worked and it continues to work against this team..

The playcall worked, the execution was bad. Plus it looked like the wr were not in sync on what the defense was doing. They never seemed to adjust their routes when baltimore came after romo. I am not sure how you can put that on the coordinator. I think everyone takes blame after a game like this, but at the same time if individual players execute on a handful of plays we score a bunch of points and no one is talking about this.

A play-call doesn't consist of just the route of the WR. The play-calling takes into account the whole game. How are WRs suppose to adjust routes, when their routes call for deep passes and they are to busy running up-field because Garrett told them too? Amazing... You also claim it is about execution and at the same time say, WRs should break off their routes. That is the exact opposite of execution.

When our WRs are using their natural abilities, such as in hurry-up offense, this offense moves downfield. That is clearly indicating a caching issue.

 

[khiladi]

felix jones scored on that play against cincinnatti on the same end of the field in the same exact scenario. It wasnt executed and it cost us points. You cant blame anyone but choice and he just flinched for a half a second, he is a rookie sometimes that happens.

I said it was a good call by Garrett... Like I said, you can always point to a play here or there, where a guy goofs, but the fact is, those are aberrations.. I can give you series upon series where Garrett calls stupid plays over and over again... It was like Madden last week calling out the stupid shot-gun draw in the red-zone... Even Ray Lewis was saying this offense was simple and he was calling out the plays all game long...

 

[khiladi]

Your reacting to where the ball is being thrown, not what the play call is. We dont know who plays are designed for and why they are called in specific situations and against specific defensive looks.

Oh, so you can say it is the player's fault, but not the coaches fault, saying the player's don't execute. Interesting...

How many Roy Williams and Martellus Bennet's and Choices and Felix Jones, Leonard Davis and Columbo's does one need to add before you say the issue of coaching?

 

[Nexx]

first down, if in shotgun formation, draw to RB

first down, if under center, hand off to the right side

second down, if run didnt gain more than 3 yards, pass play

second down, if run was 5+ yards, run again on next play

second down and short at mid field, deep bomb

third down and medium to short, pass to witten

do i need to continue, i freakin know *** is coming. :bang2::bang2:

 

[Da Hammer]

also i love how Romo's only audible call is "Kill". everytime he yells kill he is audibling to a run! if i know this i know every opposing defense we are facing knows this and so they have a good shot of stopping the play. Romo is not very good at reading defenses though so maybe thats the reason Garrett doesnt give him many audible options except to change a play into a run...

 

[Tusan_Homichi]

also i love how Romo's only audible call is "Kill". everytime he yells kill he is audibling to a run! if i know this i know every opposing defense we are facing knows this and so they have a good shot of stopping the play. Romo is not very good at reading defenses though so maybe thats the reason Garrett doesnt give him many audible options except to change a play into a run...

We've had that same "audible" for a few years now. It must be a Sparano thing that we've carried over. I specifically remember Bledsoe making that exact call numerous times while he was starting.

 

[Da Hammer]

We've had that same "audible" for a few years now. It must be a Sparano thing that we've carried over. I specifically remember Bledsoe making that exact call numerous times while he was starting.

oh yea i remember now that Bledslow used it as well... but i remember sometimes the kill audible was actually to change to a pass. i know this because i remember many times Bledslow would yell kill to audible and then it literally preceded to Bledslow being killed by an opposing linemen for a sack... oh those are brutal memories :bang2: :bang2: :bang2:

 

[Tusan_Homichi]

oh yea i remember now that Bledslow used it as well... but i remember sometimes the kill audible was actually to change to a pass. i know this because i remember many times Bledslow would yell kill to audible and then it literally preceded to Bledslow being killed by an opposing linemen for a sack... oh those are brutal memories :bang2: :bang2: :bang2:

I remember that too.

I think they go to the line with two plays in mind. If the defense is in a formation they don't like, they "kill" the first play and it goes to the second.

It seems like our second play is a run about 90% of the time right now.

This is all conjecture on my part, but it makes sense in my head.

 

[Da Hammer]

I remember that too.

I think they go to the line with two plays in mind. If the defense is in a formation they don't like, they "kill" the first play and it goes to the second.

It seems like our second play is a run about 90% of the time right now.

This is all conjecture on my part, but it makes sense in my head.

Yea thats probably how it works at least in previous years. because i think so far this year Romo has yet to audible to a pass at least from what ive been able to tell this year using the "kill" audible. the coaching staff probably tells Romo to just mostly use it to run. u notice how it always takes our offense till there is 1 second left in the play clock to know where they are gonna go and snap the ball??? so maybe its wise to simplify this offense for our players. hell the more i think about it, the reason i think our offense is so "simple" is because the coaching staff sees that our team is too dumb to make it more complex!

 

[Clint Parnell]

All I know is i took one for the team tonight.....I got into a fight over our boyz at a sportsbar here in hollywood, cali ...... for better or for worse, this is my team....BUT coming from a guy who recently got knocked in da head, why in the hell does Romo play football like it's golf...I normally wouldn't say sheeeeet but Romo plays like a PGA player in NFL clothing at times...


I'll still throw down in the name of Landry if I have to, but in the middle of throwing punches tonight I thought, "damn, maybe they're right, Tony's not the mang we thought he was".....A sobering thought, My bad.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Considering the fact that I can guess which play we are going to run depending on the down and distance and area on the field, about 75% of the time from my Lazyboy, I would think Ray Lewis is spot on.

So much talent just being wasted with piss poor playcalling!!!

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Simplicity on offense doesn't bother me too much. Too often I see offenses get too complicated and it stifles the offense because they are too worried about using motion and other things which makes it too difficult for the players to learn when they should just play the game and let their athletic ability dictate the game. West Coast Offenses are usually very complex and how many times have we seen WCO's struggle badly in the NFL? Or how about Al Saunders' complex offense, how well did that work in Washington?

I'm starting to have some problems with Garrett, but simplicity on offense probably is not one of them.




YAKUZA

 

[bysbox1]

I don't know if he's patterning it off of Martz

but it's definitely an offense that calls for long routes, notice how everyone, including the TEs, are asked to run deep down the field, the majority of the time? the fact that it's timing-based only exacerbates the problem, bumping receivers disrupts that timing

It's the exact same offense Martz ran. And it sucks. And it does not play to the strengths of the players on this team. Roy11 and Crayton are more possesion type receivers, not the Greatest Show on Turf.

And TO's best routes are the WCO type routes . . . The slant, drag, crossing route. His forte was the run after the catch, and we don't play into that strength.

Martz's running game was finese and an afterthought. makes no sense with the big offensive line we have and the bruising type of runs Barber makes.

That offense got Kurt Warner killed and Martz kicked out of STL, and will probably get Garrett kicked out here

 

[bysbox1]

Good stuff...

But there is an exception... The Rams when they won the Super Bowl... But even then, they had Marshall Faulk who was amazing in the open field. He was awesome catching passes out of the back-field and gaining yardage...

The Rams also had a head strong HC when they won the Super Bowl in Vermeil. Vermeil added his own set of plays to the offense . . . basically lead draws and off tackle runs, and short passing plays. It was wll known here that he would "dial down" Martz plays during the game based on the situation.

The wheels came off when Vermeil left and Martz had total control.