Deion Said Ray Lewis Said the Cowboys Run one of the Simplest Offenses in the League

[khiladi]

When you say vertical passing offense, I think of Mike Martz . . . Is that what Garrett is attempting to run? Norv ran slants and he is part of that same offense coaching tree.

I hope Garrett is not trying to run that Martz style vertical offense. That would explain things. That offense sucks . . .

It is the Martz style... and it is no coincidence that Detroit had a horrible offensive line...

 

[theanimal23]

I agree with Ray Lewis' sentiment.

And I think Wade Phillips just guaranteed his firing with this loss. We gave up that run, not once, but twice. Its painful.

 

[Rack]

Exactly. Cover 2 Man kills the Cowboys. The Cover 2 was entirely created to kill the vertical passing game. That's all Dallas runs.

We could beat this coverage if we ran a lot of in routes and drag routes. I rarely ever see us use them despite the fact that the drag route basically made TO's career in San Fran.

 

[khiladi]

I'm gonna start it here...Fire Garrett, hire Norv. Keep Wade. Dallas goes all the way.

No doubt... This team would be dominant..

Plus, Tony Romo wouldn't regress... Wherever Norv goes, the QB flat-out plays lights out... Hell, look at Rivers, despite the fact Tomlinson is playing like crap...

 

[Bob Sacamano]

When you say vertical passing offense, I think of Mike Martz . . . Is that what Garrett is attempting to run? Norv ran slants and he is part of that same offense coaching tree.

I hope Garrett is not trying to run that Martz style vertical offense. That would explain things. That offense sucks . . .

I don't know if he's patterning it off of Martz

but it's definitely an offense that calls for long routes, notice how everyone, including the TEs, are asked to run deep down the field, the majority of the time? the fact that it's timing-based only exacerbates the problem, bumping receivers disrupts that timing

 

[khiladi]

I agree with Ray Lewis' sentiment.

And I think Wade Phillips just guaranteed his firing with this loss. We gave up that run, not once, but twice. Its painful.

All Wade has to say is...

The last TD, he had the right play called...

The defense was on the field way too long..

Ken Hamlin couldn't tackle, despite being right there...

Seriously, 14 points in the last three minutes, because players couldn't tackle...

an obvious sign of being tired...

that is on the offense...

 

[khiladi]

I don't know if he's patterning it off of Martz

but it's definitely an offense that calls for long routes, notice how everyone, including the TEs, are asked to run deep down the field, the majority of the time? the fact that it's timing-based only exacerbates the problem, bumping receivers disrupts that timing

The longer the route, the less timing becomes a factor... man, Garrett sucks...

 

[gmb85]

All Wade has to say is...

The last TD, he had the right play called...

The defense was on the field way too long..

Ken Hamlin couldn't tackle, despite being right there...

Seriously, 14 points in the last three minutes, because players couldn't tackle...

an obvious sign of being tired...

that is on the offense...

It's all those things. Man this hurts.:

 

[bysbox1]

Discipline is not this team's problem. Its coordination. Don't buy into that media crap.

Okay, so let's say it is coordination and we bring in Norv (I don't think he keeps his job in San Diego). Do you think Jerry will get rid of his golden boy after overpaying him 3 million? You just can't keep him at that price.

 

[gmsquid]

Okay, so let's say it is coordination and we bring in Norv (I don't think he keeps his job in San Diego). Do you think Jerry will get rid of his golden boy after overpaying him 3 million? You just can't keep him at that price.

Can the hell out of him, and let Wade make the announcement.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

hire Norv when he's fired

make Garrett Assistant HC

keep Wade

that's what I'd do

 

[khiladi]

Can the hell out of him, and let Wade make the announcement.

That is what I'm saying... It sends a message that Jerry wants to win.

 

[khiladi]

hire Norv when he's fired

make Garrett Assistant HC

keep Wade

that's what I'd do

Garrett is rendered useless...

 

[bysbox1]

The longer the route, the less timing becomes a factor... man, Garrett sucks...

I have lived here in St. Louis since 1998 so I have seen a LOT of the vertical passing game with the Rams. I don't know why I did not pick up on it sooner. Maybe it's because I hate that offense so I did not pay attention to it or compare it to what we are doing. It got stale in St. Louis because teams figured it out and the Rams were getting killed when Martz was head coach. Now that I think back at the play calling and the type of plays Garrett runs, it explains a lot.

With the personnel this team has, we have no businees running that vertical passing game. We should be running plays that allows guys like RW11 and Witten to move chains and let's TO and Austin burn you with the run after the catch. That also explains why we run so little play action. You are basically using the pass to setup your run game. That absolutely blows.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Garrett is rendered useless...

bingo.

or that forces his resignation

either way

 

[Vegas_Cowboy]

I've officially lost all confidence in Jason Garrett. It's a shame that Jerry will probably keep him around because of his ego. I doubt that Jerry will admit that he made a mistake when he made Garrett the highest paid assistant coach in the league and we're going to have to suffer through watching the most talented offense in the league underachieve for another 2 years.

 

[Doomsday]

It doesn't surprise me. I think most everyone on this board knows what play is coming before it's run.

Everyone on the planet knows when we go shotgun on first down inside the 5 yard line it is going to be a draw.

We all know and most likely every single team they play knows every time Romo says Kill Kill it is going to be a run play.

How can Garrett not pick up on these tendencies?

 

[bysbox1]

Next time you watch this offense, count how man times Garrett runs play-action, especially in the first 3 quarters... It is astonishing that Garrett doesn't run play-action to make safeties bite... Safeties just sit back all day, not worried about the run...

A timing-based offense is predicated on an effective play-action... We have none... plus, we don't really have any timing... this offense is predicated on Romo keeping plays alive with his feet, long enough for a WR to get behind the CB to chuck it... When you take away that with safety help over the top, this offense goes into the tank...

Romo is accurate at short-range, and Garrett doesn't exploit that...

Well now I know for sure he's running the "Martz" vertical passing game. That was the big arguement about Martz when he was here in St. Lous, no play action.

In St. Louis you also saw:

A ton of the fake pass/draw
A ton of seam routes/outs
No timing because the routes are so long
The QB gets killed and harrased all day because the routes are so long.
The Oline looks horrible.

It's no coincidence that Kurt Warner was always hurt running that Offense here in St. Louis, then he heals up (which took him a few years riding the bench in New York and Arizona) and he becomes a pro bowler.

 

[bysbox1]

hire Norv when he's fired

make Garrett Assistant HC

keep Wade

that's what I'd do

Naw. You get Norv, Garrett has to go. I mean 3 million for an assistant HC?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Naw. You get Norv, Garrett has to go. I mean 3 million for an assistant HC?

I don't think Jerry lets Garrett go

it's his project