Deion Said Ray Lewis Said the Cowboys Run one of the Simplest Offenses in the League

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Doomsday;2512060 said:
Everyone on the planet knows when we go shotgun on first down inside the 5 yard line it is going to be a draw.

We all know and most likely every single team they play knows every time Romo says Kill Kill it is going to be a run play.

How can Garrett not pick up on these tendencies?

The Giants do the same thing though. Once you hear Eli Manning say "Omaha" you know he's audibling into a run play . . .
 

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Bob Sacamano;2512106 said:
I don't think Jerry lets Garrett go

it's his project

But if they get creamed by Philly (which I think they will) he really has no choice. This offense has looked bad even after Romo came back from inury. And although Barber has been out for the past 3 games, Choice has run very well in his place so you can't really blame it on no running game.

Jerry may have to swallow his pride on this project. He has done that before.
 

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bysbox1;2512072 said:
Well now I know for sure he's running the "Martz" vertical passing game. That was the big arguement about Martz when he was here in St. Lous, no play action.

In St. Louis you also saw:

A ton of the fake pass/draw
A ton of seam routes/outs
No timing because the routes are so long
The QB gets killed and harrased all day because the routes are so long.
The Oline looks horrible.

It's no coincidence that Kurt Warner was always hurt running that Offense here in St. Louis, then he heals up (which took him a few years riding the bench in New York and Arizona) and he becomes a pro bowler.

Good stuff...

But there is an exception... The Rams when they won the Super Bowl... But even then, they had Marshall Faulk who was amazing in the open field. He was awesome catching passes out of the back-field and gaining yardage...
 

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Maikeru-sama;2511032 said:
Also, during the game, I have to admit, I found myself wondering what this offense would be like if we had Cam Cameron calling the plays.
I keep thinking that Garrett has learned his lesson.

Wishful thinking.
 
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Hate to say i told you so but what the hell. Garrett was proven to be overrated last year against the Giants. I'm sure alot of people calling for his head now where bashing me and others when we stated the obvious. I still dont know why he was offered so many jobs in the offseason. He's a clown
 

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Norv's offense was quite simplistic.....why did it work? Cause our OL mauled in the trenches. Emmitt ran like his life depended on it. Aikman and Irvin practiced so much they could probably be precise blindfolded. Novacek was always in the right spot. Even Harper ran proper routes.

What is so wrong about running 5, 10, 15 yd slants with TO and Williams? What about 5, 10, 15 yd crossing patterns? We never seem to use one guy to take the coverage away from an underneath or over the top guy for open looks. Why no decoy routes? Why does Romo always feel the need to audible out of the play call?
 

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At least offer some trick plays Garrett. Ya know like flea flickers and whatever mess Baltimore was doing.
 

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Rack;2511306 said:
A good consistent running game would have picked up a first down on 3rd and inches.
We had the more consistent of the two running games tonight, though.

That's a huge part of what made the long throws such questionable calls.
 

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Biggems;2512246 said:
Norv's offense was quite simplistic.....why did it work? Cause our OL mauled in the trenches. Emmitt ran like his life depended on it. Aikman and Irvin practiced so much they could probably be precise blindfolded. Novacek was always in the right spot. Even Harper ran proper routes.

What is so wrong about running 5, 10, 15 yd slants with TO and Williams? What about 5, 10, 15 yd crossing patterns? We never seem to use one guy to take the coverage away from an underneath or over the top guy for open looks. Why no decoy routes? Why does Romo always feel the need to audible out of the play call?

it's because he knows that he won't have enough time to wait 5/6 seconds for his receivers to get into their routes
 

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khiladi;2510769 said:
Similar comments were made last year. This offense was likened to street-ball by certain commentators. This offense only plays well when they free-lance and they are rushing to get plays off. Like I said, Garrett doesn't systematically attack any defense he is playing against. They play every defense the same way, and as Deion and Faulk pointed out, teams have simply been playing cover-2 man on them all year. Garrett hasn't adjusted.

He is way over his head... People think that because he went to Princeton, he is a bright mind... Uh, Princeton isn't a football school...

can you please explain the term cover 2 man? And the philosophy behind it? It must be something new, I have never even heard of it. Is it a maddens thing?
 

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khiladi;2510769 said:
Similar comments were made last year. This offense was likened to street-ball by certain commentators. This offense only plays well when they free-lance and they are rushing to get plays off. Like I said, Garrett doesn't systematically attack any defense he is playing against. They play every defense the same way, and as Deion and Faulk pointed out, teams have simply been playing cover-2 man on them all year. Garrett hasn't adjusted.

He is way over his head... People think that because he went to Princeton, he is a bright mind... Uh, Princeton isn't a football school...

I doubt Garrett even knows how to play chess:bang2:
 

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theebs;2512484 said:
can you please explain the term cover 2 man? And the philosophy behind it? It must be something new, I have never even heard of it. Is it a maddens thing?

Can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not? But basically the corners and linebackers play man coverage, and there are 2 deep safeties preventing the long play. Its effective because if two receivers go deep, the safeties double cover them in the deep zone, and it also allows the possibility that if the corner gets beat the safety can pick them up. Its weakness is over the middle where neither safety really has an assigned zone.
 

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theebs;2512484 said:
can you please explain the term cover 2 man? And the philosophy behind it? It must be something new, I have never even heard of it. Is it a maddens thing?

Why not just google it, quite simple? There are plenty of resources on the net.. Why not take to task Deion for using the term?

Are you upset that your boy Garrett is being called out...
 

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theebs;2512484 said:
can you please explain the term cover 2 man? And the philosophy behind it? It must be something new, I have never even heard of it. Is it a maddens thing?


You were right, theebs.

It was in the teens until the very end.

You said we could beat the Eagles. I think we can, too.

It should be the last of four really tight games. You have to think the Cowboys can break even and get help tomorrow.

It isn't over until its over, but I"m done with predictions.
 

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gmsquid;2512517 said:
Can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not? But basically the corners and linebackers play man coverage, and there are 2 deep safeties preventing the long play. Its effective because if two receivers go deep, the safeties double cover them in the deep zone, and it also allows the possibility that if the corner gets beat the safety can pick them up. Its weakness is over the middle where neither safety really has an assigned zone.

Actually, he thought it didn't exist and was trying to call me out... The reason is because he has put so much effort into defending his boy Garrett, and it is call coming down crashing, right before his very eyes... every time I called Garrett out, he was there defending him, making fun of those that think Garrett sucked...

very simple and intuitive... your CBs and LBs play man, and two safeties over top with help... Amazing how Garrett doesn't exploit match-ups with Crayton... Garrett keeps running his passing game right into the heart of the defense...
 

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khiladi;2512520 said:
Why not just google it, quite simple? There are plenty of resources on the net.. Why not take to task Deion for using the term?

Are you upset that your boy Garrett is being called out...


Actually I really dont give two cents worth of attention to what sanders says. I am indifferent to the guy.

Cover 2 man? Are you talking about cover 2 or 2 man under? There not the same.

and romo said they played 2 man all night. You can blame garrett all you want, but when a team is dropping 6 or 7 players into passing zones and lanes and rushing 4 and two guys are gettting free runs at the quarterback something or someone is confused. And tonight the offensive line looked like the jv trying to figure out what was going on.
 

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41gy#;2512527 said:
You were right, theebs.

It was in the teens until the very end.

You said we could beat the Eagles. I think we can, too.

It should be the last of four really tight games. You have to think the Cowboys can break even and get help tomorrow.

It isn't over until its over, but I"m done with predictions.
exactly.

I'm not sure the toughness of the last four games is really appreciated here. If we end up 2-2 vs this slate, I'd say we did all right.
 

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khiladi;2512529 said:
Actually, he thought it didn't exist and was trying to call me out... The reason is because he has put so much effort into defending his boy Garrett, and it is call coming down crashing, right before his very eyes... every time I called Garrett out, he was there defending him, making fun of those that think Garrett sucked...

very simple and intuitive... your CBs and LBs play man, and two safeties over top with help... Amazing how Garrett doesn't exploit match-ups with Crayton... Garrett keeps running his passing game right into the heart of the defense...


oh really. So a cover 2 look is a man defense?

ok. And another thing, I have hardly put any effort into defending garrett. I can if you want me to, but your usual he sucks routine in most cases pretty much ends the conversation.

like for instance, I say. Garrett had the perfect call on 3rd and 2, he calls an option to choice and it would have been a big play, not just a first down, except rookie tashard choice made a rookie mistake and looked up field and lost sight of the ball and fumbled and then goes out of bounds short of the first down. Clearly the play call was good, very good but the execution was very poor.

your response, Garrett sucks. He should have run a draw or thrown a slant to T.O.

then in one minute later your in another thread saying all garrett does is run draws and everyone knows its coming....

funny how that happens like that isnt it. So give me one reason why I would sit and waste my time arguing with that type of crap that is always pulled here?
 

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theebs;2512548 said:
Actually I really dont give two cents worth of attention to what sanders says. I am indifferent to the guy.

Cover 2 man? Are you talking about cover 2 or 2 man under? There not the same.

and romo said they played 2 man all night. You can blame garrett all you want, but when a team is dropping 6 or 7 players into passing zones and lanes and rushing 4 and two guys are gettting free runs at the quarterback something or someone is confused. And tonight the offensive line looked like the jv trying to figure out what was going on.

While Sanders may be an idiot overall in his commentary, he surely knows coverage and terminology when he sees it. It is simply that, cover-2 man, with the safeties playing deep, and the CBs and LBs playing man.

BTW, the defenses have been doing that all year long. It isn't anything new, which is the whole point. Jason Garrett hasn't adjusted, and that is why the defense keeps dropping back 6 or 7 players, and guys keep running free to the QB. We are trying to go for a kill-shot everytime, putting way too much pressure on this OL to hold up protection for these deep routes that go right, smack into the coverage.

Our offensive line looks JV for a reason, despite being one of the biggest in the league.

There isa reason Ray Lewis said we were simple.

Your boy is sucking it up right now, and this team is suffering because of it.
 
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