Deion Sanders Vs Darryl Green

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SkinsandTerps said:
That would be an assumption on your part (as far as their football knowledge) , and seemingly biased for you to think that its not at all possible that some people may think that Woodson or Green were at least on par with Sanders.





I am not talking about his stint in DC at all, I am talking the span of his career.

I never said that Sanders wasnt a great player in fact, I said he was exceptional. If the total package isnt included in your analysis than by default you are presenting a biased opinion.

I never said Green was better either. However, if you want to talk about coverage skills...if you dont think they are comparable then you havent watched enough football.

Green was a great corner, but he had his problems with Michael Irvin. Granted Irvin was the master of the push off, but the point is that Deion had an advantage because of his size. I actually prefer Green to Deion too so please don't think of me as a homer. Green was exceptional in his craft. He could cover and tackle. He was also much more durable despite being smaller. I remember most teams would run right at Deion knowing they could wear him down. Green on the other hand would make the tackle despite being heavily outweighed. Green was the better overall corner, but Deion definitely had an edge on coverage.
 

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mschmidt64 said:
And it really wasn't even close.

We are talking about CBs. You bring up RBs, QBs... whats next kickers ?

Technically, I didnt hear you.

Who is making concessions ?

I am pointing out that you are presenting an easily biased opinion. And responding to me as if I attacked your beloved mercenary Deion Sanders.

And obviously you didnt "hear me" when I stated that both players were exceptional. If you cant concede that then you are just arguing for the sake of arguing.

I presented what I felt was a pretty fair analysis of both players good and bad. You presented in so many words... Deion was da bestestest eva.
 

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SkinsandTerps said:
I am pointing out that you are presenting an easily biased opinion. And responding to me as if I attacked your beloved mercenary Deion Sanders.

I could care less about the guy, frankly, I despise him as an Ex-Commander and then by ruining his image a la Michael Jordan with his Ravens comeback.

He still was the best corner ever in his prime.

And obviously you didnt "hear me" when I stated that both players were exceptional. If you cant concede that then you are just arguing for the sake of arguing.

Who said Darrell Green wasn't exceptional? Once again, you can put him right up there with Rod Woodson for all I care.

But no one held a candle to Deion.

I presented what I felt was a pretty fair analysis of both players good and bad.

I'm not interested in giving you an analysis, statistical or otherwise. I'm just telling you... anyone who says Deion Sanders wasn't the best CB ever... not worth talking to about football.
 

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Deion is going to go in the HOF at as 1st Ballot HOF. That is unheard of for a Corner.

Thats all you need to know abot Deion
 

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neosapien23 said:
Green was a great corner, but he had his problems with Michael Irvin. Granted Irvin was the master of the push off, but the point is that Deion had an advantage because of his size. I actually prefer Green to Deion too so please don't think of me as a homer. Green was exceptional in his craft. He could cover and tackle. He was also much more durable despite being smaller. I remember most teams would run right at Deion knowing they could wear him down. Green on the other hand would make the tackle despite being heavily outweighed. Green was the better overall corner, but Deion definitely had an edge on coverage.

I wont for a second deny that Irvin some good games with Green on his hip. Nor will I ignore the good games that Rice had on Sanders.

IMO, Sanders attacked the ball better and lulled the QB into thinking he could squeeze it in there. Whereas Green played tight and rarely afforded the QBs (or himself for that matter) the opportunity to make plays.

6 of one, half dozen of the other. They were both great. I am sure if Rod Woodson was a Cowboy he would be considered the best by some homers (not saying you are by any means).
 

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SkinsandTerps said:
Perjury, it seems.

So if you aren't disputing that Deion was the best ever, then what are you arguing about?

Oh... I forgot.... you're just telling me that I'm biased to think it myself... even though you aren't denying it... or something.

Anyway, that's great. Say it, don't say it, whatever.

Cause I already said it, and frankly, that's all that needs to be said.

Because Deion Sanders was the greatest CB ever.

And anyone who knew anything about football would agree.
 

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SkinsandTerps said:
I wont for a second deny that Irvin some good games with Green on his hip. Nor will I ignore the good games that Rice had on Sanders.

IMO, Sanders attacked the ball better and lulled the QB into thinking he could squeeze it in there. Whereas Green played tight and rarely afforded the QBs (or himself for that matter) the opportunity to make plays.

6 of one, half dozen of the other. They were both great. I am sure if Rod Woodson was a Cowboy he would be considered the best by some homers (not saying you are by any means).

He had to play tight because of his height. He could not afford to give the receiver an inch. If he was 6'1, he would have been the best corner without argument. I actually think Rod Woodson was the best corner. He could cover, tackle, and was tall enough to fight for the ball. Green could not fight for the ball due to his height. Deion could not tackle and he was not durable at all. People say he shut down half the football field, but he never tackled on his half. I still have vivid of Deion pretending to be out of postion so someone else could make the tackle.
 

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what is this all about.

I would take darryl green over deion sanders sorry behind 7 days a week.
 

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mschmidt64 said:
So if you aren't disputing that Deion was the best ever, then what are you arguing about?

Oh... I forgot.... you're just telling me that I'm biased to think it myself... even though you aren't denying it... or something.

Anyway, that's great. Say it, don't say it, whatever.

Cause I already said it, and frankly, that's all that needs to be said.

Because Deion Sanders was the greatest CB ever.

And anyone who knew anything about football would agree.

Thats not how you win a debate. There are alot of people including myself who think Rod Woodson was a better corner. Deion was great, but cases could be made for other corners being the best. If your condescending to people they are not going to be persuaded.
 

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Deion was a primadonna that used 2-3 good years to imitimdate average to above average QB's not to throw his way. Deion couldn't cover receivers in the middle of the field throw, crossing patterns and slants and Primetime is there hanging on the jersey, Green would cover all over. HoF is a popularity contest not necessarily the best player ask Michael Irvin. Green doesn't have the pedigree sanders does either. I am sorry I would take Green any day as a coverage specialist. I would take Sanders for the total package Off, Def, ST
 

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neosapien23 said:
Thats not how you win a debate. There are alot of people including myself who think Rod Woodson was a better corner. Deion was great, but cases could be made for other corners being the best. If your condescending to people they are not going to be persuaded.

I'm not trying to persuade anyone here.
 

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Honestly i dont know how people think Green or Woodsen was a better cover corner than Deion.

I have video of all of them ( a hobby of mine ) and nobody could Cover like Deion.

Sure he wasent that great of a tackler, but he still managed 419 tackles throughout his career
 

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cowboys19 said:
Honestly i dont know how people think Green or Woodsen was a better cover corner than Deion.

I have video of all of them ( a hobby of mine ) and nobody could Cover like Deion.

They don't know what they are talking about; its that simple.
 

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cowboys19 said:
Honestly i dont know how people think Green or Woodsen was a better cover corner than Deion.

I have video of all of them ( a hobby of mine ) and nobody could Cover like Deion.

Sure he wasent that great of a tackler, but he still managed 419 tackles throughout his career

Because it often stems from a personal dislike that really has absolutely nothing to do with football.

Not that interceptions are the end all-be all of the CB position, far from it, but just to give you an idea Green had 54 interceptions in 20 seasons. Not even averaging 3 INT's a season. Green never had more than 5 INT's in a single season. Deion was every bit the pure cover guy that Green was and an infinitely more powerfull playmaker. Yes, teams never threw at Deion's side .. there's a reason for that. They were afraid. They were afraid because Deion had this nasty little habit of taking passes 70 yards the other way. Darrell Green never struck that kind of fear in offenses. Green returned 6 INT's for touchdowns in a 20 year career. Deion returned 3 in one season. Basically, Deion could do what Darrell Green could do, but Darrell Green couldn't do what Deion could do.

Was Darrell Green marginally better against the run? Perhaps. There were probably a lot of linebackers that were better against the run than Lawrence Taylor, too, that I wouldnt mention in the same breath.
 

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Because it often stems from a personal dislike that really has absolutely nothing to do with football.

Not that interceptions are the end all-be all of the CB position, far from it, but just to give you an idea Green had 54 interceptions in 20 seasons. Not even averaging 3 INT's a season. Green never had more than 5 INT's in a single season. Deion was every bit the pure cover guy that Green was and an infinitely more powerfull playmaker. Yes, teams never threw at Deion's side .. there's a reason for that. They were afraid. They were afraid because Deion had this nasty little habit of taking passes 70 yards the other way. Darrell Green never struck that kind of fear in offenses. Green returned 6 INT's for touchdowns in a 20 year career. Deion returned 3 in one season. Basically, Deion could do what Darrell Green could do, but Darrell Green couldn't do what Deion could do.

Was Darrell Green marginally better against the run? Perhaps. There were probably a lot of linebackers that were better against the run than Lawrence Taylor, too, that I wouldnt mention in the same breath.
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Clove;1056722 said:
I love Michael Irvin to death (well not that much) but I would never say he was better than Jerry Rice... Ever!

Irvin was a better team player. Jerry Rice is a jerk.
 

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Green could tackle, ran faster (it was close) and most folks would say had a better career.......close call.......IMO
 

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I'd take Sanders any day of the week over Green. I think Green is an outstanding player but I think Deion is the best I have seen play the CB position.
 
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