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[blueblood70]

Because Bond may spend next season in prison.

Is it likely? Probably not.

Is it possible. Yep.

Do teams want to deal with a trial during training camp? Hell no.

That’s all true from an objective point of view when all that is considered is what happens on the field.

I just think it’s obvious that the entire league was concerned enough to leave a top 100 player, and maybe a top 10 receiver completely ignored.

That’s real. It reflects the option of 32 NFL GMs, coaching and scouting staffs.

As a fan, even setting aside the entire industries view of things, we can decide if that’s what we want on our team.

I wouldn’t have wanted Roethlesberger on the Cowboys. Lots of Steelers fans felt the same.

I also am absolutely not a fan of Ray Lewis, Ray Rice, Tyreek Hill, Deshaun Watson, etc., and I wouldn’t want any of them on my team either.

But, for every fan like me, there is another who doesn’t care about anything off the field and can fully embrace a player strictly for how they produce on Sunday.

I can understand someone battling alcohol or drug abuse, but violence is just something I can get down with. It’s sometimes hard, because I want my team to win, but not having to worry about those issues of character, lets me breathe more easily as a fan.

The same 32GM that passed up on Kurt Warner Tony Romo just to name a few 31 teams plus I don't know a whole 7th round up until Brock Purdy or are you telling me that they don't make mistakes please 0 please double standard please... You know how many Hall of Fame players there are that were undrafted would you like to look it up because there are more undrafted free agents in the Hall of Fame or his first round picks you want to go check I'm not saying there won't be risk yeah but Ben Roethlisberger and Ray Lewis and a whole bunch of other fools have been in this league and it's not fair to have a dubbed standard without just making a contract getting a guy some help and let's see what he can do


Doesn't matter if you're a fan of them or not i'm saying if they all got a break then Roethlisberger is in the Hall of Fame there's some drug using steroid bulked up cocaine snorting guys that have played in this league that are all Hall of Famers they are abusers domestic violence people they've done it all there's only rules now because those guys were doing it for decades all I'm saying if you give the guy 1 shot on an undrafted free agent very detailed contract where anything he does he's automatically his contract is null and void.. You try to get the guy therapy you try to get him in a program you give him help that's not a circus that is actually seems to be a pretty popular thing nowadays give somebody a second chance forgive him forget like I said rashi Rice and these dudes guys who have been to jail like Michael Vick and been accepted back into society says this guy's worth at least a look a very specific contract to make sure if he does anything he's out he's got the talent he's worked the risk because what risk is there if your contract says the first thing that happens that you break the rules you're out.?.

 

[blueblood70]

@blueblood70 …it’s not really worth getting upset over. Every team has to consider their image, optics, and legal ramifications and this is a pretty serious allegation. I actually prefer when teams demonstrate values over performance.

I’m sure Dallas really wants Bond and maybe he will end up on the team. I also assume teams have a deeper understanding of the situation and some are doing their due diligence.

As you said, it is not uncommon for players to get in trouble. When the player is on a team, the team usually goes into PR mode until more information is available and make decisions accordingly. When a player is not on the team, you have a completely different set of optics and legal dynamics you have to consider.

Mike Green is another example of a player this draft who saw his stock fall due to allegations. The difference is that Green’s allegations were from 2022 and he was never questioned or charged. In the Bond case, the allegations happened at the beginning of this month, he was arrested ~2 weeks ago, and the case is active.

He deserves the presumption of innocence and to defend himself. If he is innocent or the charges dropped, he will get snapped up in a heartbeat. As more is learned, some team may choose to accept the risk and sign him. But this is a weeks old case with serious allegations and IMO, no team with an ounce of common sense is going to take on this situation at this point in the case.

So you're saying if I have an opinion that differs from yours you're saying I'm upset about it or are you upset about it are you upset because I suggested a man so you get the 2nd chance get a contract that's heavy in terms that say we're going to give you a chance you're going to follow therapy you're going to follow a program we're going to give you one shot keep your nose clean don't go to prison and let's see what you can do on the field if he breaks it he's out why not there's hundreds of examples from the last decades and currently in the NFL that says he deserves a chance because they all other people did you're the one who seems but hurt those of you are anti my opinion you seem to be very passionate about him not being in the league isn't that the same thing as you're getting a little too upset over my suggestion?! I mean seems like hypocrisy to me is that a double standard that some of them are allowed to be here and be here where they go into the Hall of Fame like Ben Rothlisberger and like Ray Lewis just to name a few lots of people have broke the rules recently I'm just saying give the kid a chance why not I mean you seem to be dead set against it in a passionate way as I seem to be for it who's right who's wrong?

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Yes. I really hope they do a 30 for 30 on this and the true story comes out. Like you said it’s bizarre. Very very bizarre a round one prospect drops to 5th round without any arrests, drug problems, or significant injuries or off the field scandals. Especially at the QB position we’re lower round QBs are drafted higher so teams can secure their rights. One of the most talented players in the draft at the most important position dropped to round 5Very strange and baffling. I would love to know the inside story of what happened.

yes. I did see that. It kind of makes you wonder if Sheduer presented himself as Johnny Manziel 2.0. A rich, spoiled prima Donna who rubbed everyone the wrong way. Add in that Deion would have been a problem as Deion has controlled his football career up until now.

So yes I listened to a bunch of clips and interviews were GMs were saying talking to Sheduer was “one of the worst interviews ever” and comments like that. I still think in the 5th round you draft him and he sits behind Dak and learns. If Daddy Deion doesn’t like that then why couldn’t Jerry, or any other owner, tell Deion to shut up. Unless the Cowboys come out and say Sheduer is a team cancer and doesn’t fit with what we want to do from a culture standpoint then we should have taken him. My opinion is a 5th round pick can be used on a spoiled brat if he has the talent and needs to be humbled. It’s worth the risk.

Or there’s another possibility is he sucks and he’s a product of being Deion’s son and teams don’t think he is a top QB or will develop into a franchise guy. Screw his attitude, there’s a real possibility that his talent level doesn’t match the hype because the hype was generated by Deion. So we’ll see the next couple years what happens and how it shakes it. I still wish we drafted him because I was stuck on him and I’m wondering if he’s being punished for being Deion’s son, or he sucks, or he’s not talented. Time will tell. I do feel better that we got Milton prior to the draft so we have a guy that would play Sander’s role on the team as far as sitting and learning. So it’s not a total loss. But I think if he’s a 1st round talent in the 5th round then you pull the trigger. So a lot to think about with this. Curious how it will play out.

I think it’s a combo of both…

I read that he was turning off people during the interview process. Add to the fact even under the best circumstances he was a total question mark as prospect to begin with.

 

[Kwyn]

Is he even WR2 level? I don’t think he’s seen that highly even from a skills perspective.

 

[cowboyec]

i'm rootin' for this kid.
hope he makes it.

 

[plymkr]

Yea I think that call was in one of the posts on this site. And I agree it was classless but unfortunately, that’s where we are in society today. Many people hate what the can’t be.

I watched a lot of Colorado last year and am a fan of Shedeur. I find his dad entertaining as well but IMO, he did his son more damage than good. If I were Shedeur, I would reconsider the adults who are advising me moving forward. He is a kid who grew up with Dion as his role model and hero and unfortunately that role model may be living out his second NFL career through his son and doing damage in the process.

I think he will be fine but ultimately it’s up to him. He has the talent but needs to be honest with himself about what caused his drop and show he has the self awareness and ability to change. Own it whether you believe it’s deserved or not and don’t blame others or some tin foil conspiracy. Fortunately for him, the NFL can be very forgiving if you have talent and he is talented. Just be humble, embrace the criticism, and use it as a growth opportunity.

There’s a report the person who made the call was a NFL coach’s son! Wow! I would not want to be at that family dinner. Ridiculous behavior. I hope Sheduer balls out everyone he plays that coach.

But yeah I also everything else you said. I hope Sheduer has a good career and I hope Deion lets him leave the nest. I’m a huge fan of Deion and I think he’s a good dad but it’s time to let his son go free in the wild.

 

[Spottswoode]

So you're saying if I have an opinion that differs from yours you're saying I'm upset about it or are you upset about it are you upset because I suggested a man so you get the 2nd chance get a contract that's heavy in terms that say we're going to give you a chance you're going to follow therapy you're going to follow a program we're going to give you one shot keep your nose clean don't go to prison and let's see what you can do on the field if he breaks it he's out why not there's hundreds of examples from the last decades and currently in the NFL that says he deserves a chance because they all other people did you're the one who seems but hurt those of you are anti my opinion you seem to be very passionate about him not being in the league isn't that the same thing as you're getting a little too upset over my suggestion?! I mean seems like hypocrisy to me is that a double standard that some of them are allowed to be here and be here where they go into the Hall of Fame like Ben Rothlisberger and like Ray Lewis just to name a few lots of people have broke the rules recently I'm just saying give the kid a chance why not I mean you seem to be dead set against it in a passionate way as I seem to be for it who's right who's wrong?

I’m not sure why you get so defensive every time someone replies to you. I will make a note moving forward but I will address your accusations first.

First, I’m having a hard time following your post but as best as I can tell, you seem to think I am attacking your opinion and I’m a hypocrite because I’m fine with others players but not Bond. If you weren’t so immediately defensive, you would see that neither are true. You are entitled to your opinion…I just shared other considerations. And this isn’t a completely unique situation. La’el Collins also had an early round projection and an allegation days before the draft that left him undrafted.

This is about a team proactively signing an undrafted player who is 2 weeks into a sexual assault investigation. It’s not about contract clauses or 2nd chances. No employer, whether a football team or the local Home Depot is going to gladly bring in that situation from outside to inside their organization before any investigation.

But what about other players? Yes, other players get in trouble as well. But if it’s a new problem with a player on the team, it now becomes the team’s problem as well and they have no choice but to deal with it. Maybe they suspend or cut or wait and see but there are legalities that have to be considered if it’s an allegation. That’s why you get statements like “we are aware of the allegations and are currently investigating”. None of that applies between Bond and a potential new team.

Again, this is a 2 WEEK old investigation. The dude still has ink stains on his fingers. He may be presumed innocent but he isn’t entitled to a new NFL job. And it would be nuts to willingly bring this issue into your organization when the investigation is just starting.

 

[blueblood70]

I’m not sure why you get so defensive every time someone replies to you. I will make a note moving forward but I will address your accusations first.

First, I’m having a hard time following your post but as best as I can tell, you seem to think I am attacking your opinion and I’m a hypocrite because I’m fine with others players but not Bond. If you weren’t so immediately defensive, you would see that neither are true. You are entitled to your opinion…I just shared other considerations. And this isn’t a completely unique situation. La’el Collins also had an early round projection and an allegation days before the draft that left him undrafted.

This is about a team proactively signing an undrafted player who is 2 weeks into a sexual assault investigation. It’s not about contract clauses or 2nd chances. No employer, whether a football team or the local Home Depot is going to gladly bring in that situation from outside to inside their organization before any investigation.

But what about other players? Yes, other players get in trouble as well. But if it’s a new problem with a player on the team, it now becomes the team’s problem as well and they have no choice but to deal with it. Maybe they suspend or cut or wait and see but there are legalities that have to be considered if it’s an allegation. That’s why you get statements like “we are aware of the allegations and are currently investigating”. None of that applies between Bond and a potential new team.

Again, this is a 2 WEEK old investigation. The dude still has ink stains on his fingers. He may be presumed innocent but he isn’t entitled to a new NFL job. And it would be nuts to willingly bring this issue into your organization when the investigation is just starting.

DITTO. That's short enough for you I disagree I get it not arguing the reasons why he shouldn't be here but I'm giving you my reasons why he should here somewhere else he should get an opportunity accusations are accusations and it happens a lot around the draft by the way awfully convenient and coincidental that a lot of these guys get accused of things right before the draft....