Deji Olatoye CB

[BAT]

Plus he is a drafted player and who knows what his assignment was on that play

You hit hammer on the head, Frazier was a draft pick. So he's someone's pet cat and Cowboys prefer to protect their draft investments even if they are not producing as good as a non drafted guy on the field.

I love organizations who don't let their egos get in the way of building teams and keeping players who earn their spots regardless of their pedigree.

 

[Derinyar]

Frazier is not ready to be an NFL player and he's not more athletically gifted than Wilcox. As for not competing for same spot, they absolutely were because all DBs at the bottom of their position group are competing for a ST spot.

Frazier showed some flashes and I think possibly would have been claimed. Wilcox is a NFL veteran who hasn't shown much growth as a player in three years. I didn't claim anything about Frazier's athleticism vs Wilcox's. It doesn't really matter currently since both are on the roster. If forced to choose I think I would keep Frazier as he has potential still where I'm not sure Wilcox really does.

What I was discussing is that I think there's a good argument that Swanson is more athletically gifted then Olatoye and seems to understand how to get his head around a little better. With Swanson also likely being the backup return guy it makes sense to keep him over Olatoye. Frazier vs Olatoye is a question I don't think any of us here are qualified to really address as comparing players from different position groups and without seeing practices is really hard.

 

[BAT]

Put Frazier is better in coverage then Wilcox. Besides this isn't Frazier against Wilcox. Was Olatoye against Frazier

In all honesty, I could care less about Olatoye. But he's one of the few corners who has generated turnovers on a team that has a serious dearth of playmaking in the secondary.

Just do what you say is all I ask. Marinelli and Garrett have preached ad nauseum about needing to add more playmakers and generating turnovers. In that vein, protect the best 53 and the best 53 should be determined by what they do on the playing field.

Tapper should be on IR, he's done nothing and has earned nothing. Collins and Russell were overwhelmingly out performed by FAs Shaneil Jenkins and Lawrence Okoye. McAdoo is better than Mayowa and they never competed head to head because Mayowa is some kind of rare jewel that the FO unearthed. Akunne and King played better than Durant, Wilson and Gachkar. Rodney Smith has outperformed Andy Jones and has better chemistry with Dak. Frazier and Wilcox suck eggs and Cowboys need to scour waiver wire, FA, trades, the friggin obits to replace them.

Stop protecting pets, give us the best 53!

 

[jazzcat22]

Olatoye was living on a reputation of a few plays and a pick from last year, when he and Mitchell were the only CB's that had picks, late in the season.

I thought both would make the team this year, as I too bought into that.
Many of us were wrong, on both of them. Mitchell didn't even make it to camp.

Did Olatoye really have 3 good PS games, or did fans just want to think he did.
I think Swanson clearly out played him, and plus he plays ST's.

If he is on the practice squad, I am fine with that, if not, move on, find another DB.
Chances are, he or bow Swanson will be gone once Lawrence returns, if not one of the FBs

 

[jazzcat22]

In all honesty, I could care less about Olatoye. But he's one of the few corners who has generated turnovers on a team that has a serious dearth of playmaking in the secondary.

Just do what you say is all I ask. Marinelli and Garrett have preached ad nauseum about needing to add more playmakers and generating turnovers. In that vein, protect the best 53 and the best 53 should be determined by what they do on the playing field.

Tapper should be on IR, he's done nothing and has earned nothing. Collins and Russell were overwhelmingly out performed by FAs Shaneil Jenkins and Lawrence Okoye. McAdoo is better than Mayowa and they never competed head to head because Mayowa is some kind of rare jewel that the FO unearthed. Akunne and King played better than Durant, Wilson and Gachkar. Rodney Smith has outperformed Andy Jones and has better chemistry with Dak. Frazier and Wilcox suck eggs and Cowboys need to scour waiver wire, FA, trades, the friggin obits to replace them.

Stop protecting pets, give us the best 53!

They think what they have are the best 53. Just because you or others don't agree with them, doesn't make them wrong. Though many think it does. And they may be wrong on a few, but they are right on more than what you may think they are.

 

[Kaiser]

Collins and Russell were overwhelmingly out performed by FAs Shaneil Jenkins and Lawrence Okoye.

You realize Russell was cut, right? Jenkins was better until he got injured. Okoye was cut by three teams before he was cut by the Cowboys and most people weren't as impressed by his preseason play as you were.

McAdoo is better than Mayowa and they never competed head to head because Mayowa is some kind of rare jewel that the FO unearthed.

McAdoo didn't do a lot in preseason, he was also cut by the Ravens in 2013 - then no one bothered to bring him to camp in 2014 or 2015.

Akunne and King played better than Durant, Wilson and Gachkar. Rodney Smith has outperformed Andy Jones and has better chemistry with Dak. Frazier and Wilcox suck eggs and Cowboys need to scour waiver wire, FA, trades, the friggin obits to replace them.

Akunne and King were on the field to show they were better than the incumbents and they didn't do it. Smith and Andy Jones were both cut. Fazier doesn't suck but Wilcox does, I could see him being replaced by a waiver claim or minor trade before the season starts.

 

[Kaiser]

Olatoye was living on a reputation of a few plays and a pick from last year, when he and Mitchell were the only CB's that had picks, late in the season.

Olatoye did look good in short spells last year, but IMO the issue that he is good in zone but poor in man coverage. You can't really carry a guy like that as the 5th CB or if you do, it has to be someone that has upside (like Swanson) and/or plays ST (like Swanson).

 

[BAT]

They think what they have are the best 53. Just because you or others don't agree with them, doesn't make them wrong. Though many think it does. And they may be wrong on a few, but they are right on more than what you may think they are.

Jazz, love your faith in FO, they should feel blessed to have you. But these are the same experts who know so much more than me that they've only won TWO playoff games in more than two DECADES. They are not always right, heck they haven't even been half right.

They have proven themselves to be incompetent in developing championship caliber, heck even just competitive, teams. They don't deserve you brother, but God bless you anyway.

 

[BAT]

You realize Russell was cut, right? Jenkins was better until he got injured. Okoye was cut by three teams before he was cut by the Cowboys and most people weren't as impressed by his preseason play as you were.




McAdoo didn't do a lot in preseason, he was also cut by the Ravens in 2013 - then no one bothered to bring him to camp in 2014 or 2015.




Akunne and King were on the field to show they were better than the incumbents and they didn't do it. Smith and Andy Jones were both cut. Fazier doesn't suck but Wilcox does, I could see him being replaced by a waiver claim or minor trade before the season starts.

When I say they were outperformed, i'm not being subjective. Even if you ignore your own eyes, compare their stats. The best DL or LBs should have most tackles, TFL, sacks, pressures, forced fumbles, deflections. Look it up.

Russell is on PS, not McAdoo, not Jenkins, not Okoye. And who cares how many times Okoye or McAdoo were cut. Judge them on their performance on the field. And FYI, James Harrison, same one with DMVP and 2 superbowl rings, was cut FOUR times by Steelers.

How many DBs had turnovers? Not talking rocket science here.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Jazz, love your faith in FO, they should feel blessed to have you. But these are the same experts who know so much more than me that they've only won TWO playoff games in more than two DECADES. They are not always right, heck they haven't even been half right.

They have proven themselves to be incompetent in developing championship caliber, heck even just competitive, teams. They don't deserve you brother, but God bless you anyway.

That's two more playoff wins then you have. So ya they know more then you

 

[BAT]

That's two more playoff wins then you have. So ya they know more then you

The goal is not to know more than me. Smh at the missed point.

 

[Kaiser]

The best DL or LBs should have most tackles, TFL, sacks, pressures, forced fumbles, deflections. Look it up.

Cmon. Using that logic Rodney Coe is a better player than Tyrone Crawford and Andy Jones is a better player than Dez Bryant. They had better stats, right?

A lot of preseason is to give guys enough reps to see if they make it or not. Some like Anthony Brown make it, others like Olatoye don't. You are petcatting guys like Okoye and McAdoo when the reality is they were given a fair shot to make the team and didn't capitalize on it.

 

[BAT]

Cmon. Using that logic Rodney Coe is a better player than Tyrone Crawford and Andy Jones is a better player than Dez Bryant. They had better stats, right?

A lot of preseason is to give guys enough reps to see if they make it or not. Some like Anthony Brown make it, others like Olatoye don't. You are petcatting guys like Okoye and McAdoo when the reality is they were given a fair shot to make the team and didn't capitalize on it.

Are you nuts??? Dez had 2 TDs in preseason, Jones can barely rein in a pass on game day. Ty Crawford had a sack in one game while Coe is perpetually camped at LOS or on his keister in every single game.

Listen carefully, I'm talking about production not reps. When you are on the field DO SOMETHING TO HELP YOUR TEAM WIN.

I have no pet cats on this team this season. I vowed to stop that because the goal is to get best players so we can win. I do not want to wait THREE decades for another championship so I put away childish things like pet cats.

 

[Kaiser]

Are you nuts??? Dez had 2 TDs in preseason, Jones can barely rein in a pass on game day. Ty Crawford had a sack in one game while Coe is perpetually camped at LOS or on his keister in every single game.

I see, its all about stats until the stats make your argument look foolish. Then its all subjective. Or something.

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

Yet Frazier is still on team when he had over the top responsibility and took a awful angle on same play. Olatoye screwed up bUT that TD was just as much on Frazier.

Olatoye has bounced around for three seasons without catchng on and is still making the same mistakes over and over.

Frazier is a rookie in his first camp, so he is going to get a bit more slack than a guy like Olatoye. The fact that the team invested a draft pick in Frazier gives him a little extra boost as well.

I don't agree with your assertion that Dallas just randomly keeps worse players, ultimately these guys have to make good choices or else they lose their jobs too.

 

[Kaiser]

I don't agree with your assertion that Dallas just randomly keeps worse players, ultimately these guys have to make good choices or else they lose their jobs too.

The major difference is the guys he are saying were outplayed like Mayowa, Durant and Gachkar have performed already in the NFL, or they were draft picks like Collins and Frazier. The players he thinks should have made the team (Okoye, McAdoo, Akunne, King, Smith) are all UDFAs that were given a shot and didn't capitalize.

Its not like we cut Reggie White to keep a FB, this is the normal process of preseason and training camp.

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

In all honesty, I could care less about Olatoye. But he's one of the few corners who has generated turnovers on a team that has a serious dearth of playmaking in the secondary.

Just do what you say is all I ask. Marinelli and Garrett have preached ad nauseum about needing to add more playmakers and generating turnovers. In that vein, protect the best 53 and the best 53 should be determined by what they do on the playing field.

Tapper should be on IR, he's done nothing and has earned nothing. Collins and Russell were overwhelmingly out performed by FAs Shaneil Jenkins and Lawrence Okoye. McAdoo is better than Mayowa and they never competed head to head because Mayowa is some kind of rare jewel that the FO unearthed. Akunne and King played better than Durant, Wilson and Gachkar. Rodney Smith has outperformed Andy Jones and has better chemistry with Dak. Frazier and Wilcox suck eggs and Cowboys need to scour waiver wire, FA, trades, the friggin obits to replace them.

Stop protecting pets, give us the best 53!

You are funny with your evaluations.

First off, hard to fault the team for keeping healthy players over injured ones. Are you really arguing that we should have kept the injured Jenkins over anyone?

Okoye missed a bunch of training camp early and the first two preseason games and played mainly against third string guys. Russell played a lot against 1's and 2's and actually flashed some ability but wasn't able to seal the deal. He was in position several times against Russell Wilson but got juked, yet the fact remains that he beat the Seahawks starting OL to be in position to get embarrassed by Wilson.

Collins had a broken foot, missed a huge part of camp and you think he should just be thrown by the wayside? I am glad that you aren't making the decisions.

What leads you to believe that McAdoo is better than Mayowa? Because he had a junk sack in the 4th preseason game?

Akunne and King both had good games in the 4th game, but they both are limited players that would struggle against starting quality players. Going against scrubs, their athletic ability showed through but their lack of size hurts. Akunne had 2 tackles in the first three preseason games, but he blew up in a game against scrubs and suddenly he is someone Dallas should have kept.

I do agree that Rodney Smith was better in the games than Andy Jones, but they were both cut. Is there really something to complain about there? Smith is in his 4th year and never really pushed anyone in the top 5 so he really isn't worth keeping. Andy Jones made it to the PS because he is a rookie that apparently made some good plays in camp and comes from a small school....has something to develop.

I agree that we need to use every option to get better, and I am disappointed that we didn't use our waiver position to our advantage. The fact that we didn't even put in any claims at all is pretty hard to fathom. There definitely are at least 5 guys on the bottom of the roster that could be replaced.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

The goal is not to know more than me. Smh at the missed point.

You said you knew more then them......I didn't make it up you wrote it

 

[BAT]

Olatoye has bounced around for three seasons without catchng on and is still making the same mistakes over and over.

Frazier is a rookie in his first camp, so he is going to get a bit more slack than a guy like Olatoye. The fact that the team invested a draft pick in Frazier gives him a little extra boost as well.

I don't agree with your assertion that Dallas just randomly keeps worse players, ultimately these guys have to make good choices or else they lose their jobs too.

Never said reason was random.

 

[BAT]

You said you knew more then them......I didn't make it up you wrote it

Reading comprehension. And the quote feature. Both very good tools my friend.