Deji Olatoye CB

[BAT]

I see, its all about stats until the stats make your argument look foolish. Then its all subjective. Or something.

First you incorrectly said my argument was subjective, now you deride my use of stats? It is obvious you don't want to have a discussion, you simply want to be right.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

This reminds me of Evan Oglesby....reporters raved about him all the time and then the Cowboys wouldn't even sign him to practice squad. Or maybe they couldn't I don't really remember.

 

[Aven8]

He got an Int last year and screwed up our record for fewest TO'S in NFL history is what happened!!! Jerry wanted that record!!!

 

[BAT]

You are funny with your evaluations.

Better than being funny looking I guess.

First off, hard to fault the team for keeping healthy players over injured ones. Are you really arguing that we should have kept the injured Jenkins over anyone?

Over anyone??? Where did I say that? Cowboys have kept injured players in the past and are keeping injured players on 53 this season as well. Jenkins outplayed Russell (PS this season, IR last season), Tapper (injured but on 53), Mayowa (53) and Collins (53). Only arguing if going to keep an injured guy, then keep the injured guy who proved he can make plays in games. Not against retaining Tapper, Collins or even Russell as projects but make room for the performers regardless if draft pick or UDFA. Maybe bump off an extra FB or crappy safety instead.

Okoye missed a bunch of training camp early and the first two preseason games and played mainly against third string guys. Russell played a lot against 1's and 2's and actually flashed some ability but wasn't able to seal the deal. He was in position several times against Russell Wilson but got juked, yet the fact remains that he beat the Seahawks starting OL to be in position to get embarrassed by Wilson.

Okoye can only play the guys he is lined up against, don't hold that against him. Russell also played against the same scrubs in 4th preseason game, Okoye played head and shoulders above him. Getting position is not enough, enough excuses for the underperformers, Cowboys need players who can finish. Okoye is better finisher than Russell, Coe, Collins and Mayowa but not married to the guy so could care less if they bring in better players. Just don't settle for guys who can't produce on field because they were draft picks.

Collins had a broken foot, missed a huge part of camp and you think he should just be thrown by the wayside? I am glad that you aren't making the decisions.

BUT isn't this your argument against retaining Jenkins? I hope Collins is not 100% because he is not living up to his hype otherwise. Both Irving and Jenkins were given game reps without the practice time and scheme study that Collins got, and both were immediate game changers.

What leads you to believe that McAdoo is better than Mayowa? Because he had a junk sack in the 4th preseason game?

You see one sack while I saw tackles for loss, chasing runs from backside, hustle, pressures and availability. Now that he's injured his best asset, availability, is moot. But still out produced and out hustled Russell. Mayowa love is equally perplexing, he's a Raider scrub who has yet to show us anything.

Akunne and King both had good games in the 4th game, but they both are limited players that would struggle against starting quality players. Going against scrubs, their athletic ability showed through but their lack of size hurts. Akunne had 2 tackles in the first three preseason games, but he blew up in a game against scrubs and suddenly he is someone Dallas should have kept.

Of course they are limited or otherwise they would have been drafted. But even at this level, even stars, have limitations. But their pedigree should not trump on field performance. Neither Wilson, Gachkar nor Durant were as impactful on field as either Akunne or King. Again, not advocating keeping either guy but for Pete's sake don't reward mediocrity. Wilson, Gachkar, Durant, Rod Wilson, Keith Wilson, Wilcox, Frazier, etc were mediocre, at best.

I do agree that Rodney Smith was better in the games than Andy Jones, but they were both cut. Is there really something to complain about there? Smith is in his 4th year and never really pushed anyone in the top 5 so he really isn't worth keeping. Andy Jones made it to the PS because he is a rookie that apparently made some good plays in camp and comes from a small school....has something to develop.

I agree that we need to use every option to get better, and I am disappointed that we didn't use our waiver position to our advantage. The fact that we didn't even put in any claims at all is pretty hard to fathom. There definitely are at least 5 guys on the bottom of the roster that could be replaced.

Good to agree on something beyond our common fandom for the Cowboys.

 

[Nightman]

He was signed to ATL's Practice Squad...... let the rueing continue

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

Better than being funny looking I guess.



Over anyone??? Where did I say that? Cowboys have kept injured players in the past and are keeping injured players on 53 this season as well. Jenkins outplayed Russell (PS this season, IR last season), Tapper (injured but on 53), Mayowa (53) and Collins (53). Only arguing if going to keep an injured guy, then keep the injured guy who proved he can make plays in games. Not against retaining Tapper, Collins or even Russell as projects but make room for the performers regardless if draft pick or UDFA. Maybe bump off an extra FB or crappy safety instead.

Since Jenkins is apparently injured enough that he would have went on IR, you might as well have said just take anyone. As it is, giving him an injury settlement might be the best way to get him back when he is healthy. No one else is going to grab him while he is injured.

Okoye can only play the guys he is lined up against, don't hold that against him. Russell also played against the same scrubs in 4th preseason game, Okoye played head and shoulders above him. Getting position is not enough, enough excuses for the underperformers, Cowboys need players who can finish. Okoye is better finisher than Russell, Coe, Collins and Mayowa but not married to the guy so could care less if they bring in better players. Just don't settle for guys who can't produce on field because they were draft picks.

You can hold it against Okoye, if he had played better and displayed more in practice, he would have got a chance to play with the ones. And just for the record, wasn't Okoye mainly playing DT, not DE? So he would be competing against Crawford, McClain, Thornton and Collins. He's not better than any of them with the possible exception of Collins.

How can you argue that he is better than Mayowa for example when Mayowa played like 2-3 series against Seattle's starters? And again, you are comparing guys at different positions. Okoye isn't going to be a DE, he is a DT.

BUT isn't this your argument against retaining Jenkins? I hope Collins is not 100% because he is not living up to his hype otherwise. Both Irving and Jenkins were given game reps without the practice time and scheme study that Collins got, and both were immediate game changers.

Nope, not the same....Collins hurt himself 6 weeks ago and just came back to the active team about 10 days ago. Jenkins got hurt two weeks ago and it appears that he won't be ready to play for some time. He can't help us right now.

You see one sack while I saw tackles for loss, chasing runs from backside, hustle, pressures and availability. Now that he's injured his best asset, availability, is moot. But still out produced and out hustled Russell. Mayowa love is equally perplexing, he's a Raider scrub who has yet to show us anything.

Arguing for McAdoo by comparing him to Russell makes no sense, since Russell was cut, and just because McAdoo played well in the scrub game really doesn't mean much. He did almost nothing the first three preseason games but because he flashed in one suddenly he is a must keep? It doesn't really work that way...it's your body of work.

As far as Mayowa, yes, it is true we haven't seen much out of him, again due to an injury at the start of camp, but he has just got healthy and looked active in the limited time he played. He did get a pressure or two in limited snaps. And he is a vet free agent that they signed, so he is going to get more of a look than and UDFA. It works that way for every team. Since there is a salary cap, we can't just take dead money hits without a reasonable evaluation time.

Of course they are limited or otherwise they would have been drafted. But even at this level, even stars, have limitations. But their pedigree should not trump on field performance. Neither Wilson, Gachkar nor Durant were as impactful on field as either Akunne or King. Again, not advocating keeping either guy but for Pete's sake don't reward mediocrity. Wilson, Gachkar, Durant, Rod Wilson, Keith Wilson, Wilcox, Frazier, etc were mediocre, at best.

Wilson, Gachkar and Durant didn't play in the scrub game, which is the only game that these guys did anything. And they have a history...the team knows what they can do. There really isn't much evidence to suggest that King or Akunne are better than any of the guys mentioned. And when you compare them to the guys ahead of them at their positions, they weren't any better. Maybe King is a better LB than Frazier is a S, but there isn't much competition at S but there are several LB's ahead of King.

Good to agree on something beyond our common fandom for the Cowboys.

I just don't really see the clear cut difference between many of these players you apparently are mad about, but the only one that realistically produced the whole time was Jenkins, and he is hurt. Apparently hurt badly enough that he isn't going to be available anytime soon.

Me personally, I wouldn't have kept two FB's, even if they both can play other positions. I sure as heck wouldn't have kept 5 safeties when that includes Wilcox. I might have even kept King or Akunne over Wilson, who to me looked lost most of the time he was in.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Reading comprehension. And the quote feature. Both very good tools my friend.

Why put it in your statement the way you did. By saying the front office knows more then you but only has won 2 playoff games in a more then 2 decades is trying to indicate you could do a better job.

Besides more then 2 decades ago we were superbowl bowl Champs......

 

[BAT]

Why put it in your statement the way you did. By saying the front office knows more then you but only has won 2 playoff games in a more then 2 decades is trying to indicate you could do a better job.

Besides more then 2 decades ago we were superbowl bowl Champs......

2 playoff wins in over 2 decades indicates that there are smarter experts out there, not necessarily me or any other fan. The point is that this FO does not deserve benefit of the doubt.

And I could have brought up the championships too but I'm trying to be reasonable.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

2 playoff wins in over 2 decades indicates that there are smarter experts out there, not necessarily me or any other fan. The point is that this FO does not deserve benefit of the doubt.

And I could have brought up the championships too but I'm trying to be reasonable.

Maybe I misunderstood your comment but it sounded to me like you were saying you are much smarter then them.

I think people, fans in general, get frustrated by not winning. This franchise has a history of winning and we are in a slump and that won't last forever

 

[CowboyChris]

In all honesty, I could care less about Olatoye. But he's one of the few corners who has generated turnovers on a team that has a serious dearth of playmaking in the secondary.

Just do what you say is all I ask. Marinelli and Garrett have preached ad nauseum about needing to add more playmakers and generating turnovers. In that vein, protect the best 53 and the best 53 should be determined by what they do on the playing field.

Tapper should be on IR, he's done nothing and has earned nothing. Collins and Russell were overwhelmingly out performed by FAs Shaneil Jenkins and Lawrence Okoye. McAdoo is better than Mayowa and they never competed head to head because Mayowa is some kind of rare jewel that the FO unearthed. Akunne and King played better than Durant, Wilson and Gachkar. Rodney Smith has outperformed Andy Jones and has better chemistry with Dak. Frazier and Wilcox suck eggs and Cowboys need to scour waiver wire, FA, trades, the friggin obits to replace them.

Stop protecting pets, give us the best 53!

 

[Echo9]

Frazier and Olatoye weren't competing for a spot. Olatoye and Swanson were. My guess is that Swanson is just physically more gifted. He also seems very aware, got his head around consistently in that 4th game to get some good break ups.

As to why Frazier made it I think is simple. He's a athletically talented guy who is coming from a small school and they want to give him some time and see if he improves and were worried about someone taking him if they cut him.

I think Swanson was also helped by his potential as a returner. We don't want all our eggs in the Lucky Whitehead basket.