DeMarcus Lawrence injured - possible broken foot

[MichaelWinicki]

lol.... I was going to go for Demarco Murray in the 2nd round of the draft but not anymore. Dallas will be playing from behind a lot. This makes Romo and Dez very attractive.

Murray scares the bejesus out of me.

Partly because of what you posted– This team is going to be in a shoot out every game. The whole, "Well we're going run the ball more" talk isn't going to stick.

And then the injury issue. The guy won't play 16 games.

I wouldn't take him before the 3rd round.

 

[Zordon]

When your team is full of holes, you don't draft for need only. You get as many players as you can. Jerry and crew never seem to understand that. They lie to themselves and keep thinking "we are just one player away from competing".

Looks like we will have a decent offense and horrible defense again.

Injury bug every season compounded by the fact that we trade away picks like nothing and therefore have less depth than everybody else. It's the circle of mediocrity. I look forward to us trading our 2nd round pick for another average (corner once we cut carr) who will then promptly get hurt around the same time next year.

 

[davey999]

Has this injury been confirmed? Any chance we get lucky and this is only a 6 week thing? too much to ask?

 

[gimmesix]

Every account I have read states he is fast but has issues breaking out of blocks. I will continue to sleep.

I did like reading this, although it really doesn't mean much:

After DeMarcus Lawrence went down with an ankle/foot injury, Martez Wilson seemed to kick in. Wilson had two sakcs in team drills (one of Hanie, one of Dustin Vaughan). He also added a pressure of Vaughan.

 

[Parcells4Life]

Has this injury been confirmed? Any chance we get lucky and this is only a 6 week thing? too much to ask?

Today you can bet that Garrett says he's day-to-day like he did with Lee for how many weeks.

 

[ufcrules1]

Murray scares the bejesus out of me.

Partly because of what you posted– This team is going to be in a shoot out every game. The whole, "Well we're going run the ball more" talk isn't going to stick.

And then the injury issue. The guy won't play 16 games.

I wouldn't take him before the 3rd round.

Yes, agreed. He is an injury risk and they are going to be playing from behind as well. I was thinking Murray or Le-veon Bell late in round 2. Bell is now looking a whole lot more attractive. Both RB's are ranked in the top 8 in Fantasy.

 

[ufcrules1]

Not sure a second-round rookie was going to change that.

If that is the case then why did we reach for him and give up a 3rd?

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Yes, agreed. He is an injury risk and they are going to be playing from behind as well. I was thinking Murray or Le-veon Bell late in round 2. Bell is now looking a whole lot more attractive. Both RB's are ranked in the top 8 in Fantasy.

I would definitely take Bell ahead of Murray.

I would include Gio Bernard also.

I may even take the kid from Arizona, Ellington in front of Murray.

I put Murray in with guys like Marshawn Lynch and Arian Foster in that I have little incentive in taking them before the 3rd round.

 

[ufcrules1]

I would definitely take Bell ahead of Murray.

I would include Gio Bernard also.

I may even take the kid from Arizona, Ellington in front of Murray.

I put Murray in with guys like Marshawn Lynch and Arian Foster in that I have little incentive in taking them before the 3rd round.

Yeah, typically I would be all over Lynch but no telling what will happen with him this year as a hold out. Seattle doesn't seem like the type of team to give in, they are more of a "next man up team". Foster is just scary, if he is the Foster of old he would be a terrific pick considering they don't have a solid back up, but he is already having hamstring issues. Gio is a great pick but I couldn't take him over Murray. Murray put up solid numbers last year even though our defense sucked. Ellington is a little ways down the list for me. Maybe 5th round.

Yeah, I'm going to be aiming for Bell there. I think he is going to be a gem this year in Pitt. He has solid hands too. You should check out his highlights from last year.

 

[gimmesix]

If that is the case then why did we reach for him and give up a 3rd?

Because he was the best pass rusher available, which was a need area; he was rated higher than where he was taken by the scouting staff; and the scouts wanted him.

It doesn't mean that he's going to turn out to be anything special, just like many first-rounders haven't turned out to be anything special, but they believe he will, which is why you take him.

Fans counting on him being something special is different, though, because we know how many players who were supposed to be "saviors" have turned out to be busts or just OK. Plus, the team has to think the long-term success with him will be better than any he'd have his rookie year since that's generally how it goes. Jason Pierre-Paul didn't start a game his rookie season and finished with just. 4.5 sacks. That doesn't mean the Giants shouldn't have spent a first-round pick on him.

I'm certainly willing to wait it out before saying we shouldn't have given up a third to move up and take Lawrence, but I never saw any need to put unrealistic expectations on him.

 

[ufcrules1]

Because he was the best pass rusher available, which was a need area; he was rated higher than where he was taken by the scouting staff; and the scouts wanted him.

It doesn't mean that he's going to turn out to be anything special, just like many first-rounders haven't turned out to be anything special, but they believe he will, which is why you take him.

Fans counting on him being something special is different, though, because we know how many players who were supposed to be "saviors" have turned out to be busts or just OK. Plus, the team has to think the long-term success with him will be better than any he'd have his rookie year since that's generally how it goes. Jason Pierre-Paul didn't start a game his rookie season and finished with just. 4.5 sacks. That doesn't mean the Giants shouldn't have spent a first-round pick on him.

I'm certainly willing to wait it out before saying we shouldn't have given up a third to move up and take Lawrence, but I never saw any need to put unrealistic expectations on him.

Thank you for that well thought out response. I understand why we went after him, I just disagree with the decision. This team is in no position to give up early round draft picks especially not knowing if a player will become solid pick or not. Not to mention we have many holes all over the team. With that said, he could turn into a pro-bowler, nobody ever knows but that doesn't change the fact that we shouldn't have given up our 3rd rounder for him in the position our team is currently in. All that breeds is mediocrity and lack of depth.

Believe me, the Cowboys thought he would improve our defense right away and that is why they gave up a 3rd for him. They drafted purely on immediate need after cutting DW vs standing pat and taking BPA within reason. They made the right decision to cut DM but made the wrong decision to give up a 3rd to "immediately" fill his position.

 

[big dog cowboy]

If that is the case then why did we reach for him

We drafted a player we had a 1st round grade on in the 2nd round. How is that reaching?

 

[ufcrules1]

We drafted a player we had a 1st round grade on in the 2nd round. How is that reaching?

Because we moved up and gave up a 3rd rounder. Dumb. We could have sat right where we were and drafted a player just as good as DL. That player might not have been a RDE in college but we could have easily switched him to a RDE. Instead they wanted to immediately fill the void that was left by DW, so they reached and gave up a 3rd.

 

[Hoofbite]

Just breezed through the thread and the only question I have is whether or not he was actually carted off the field?

I'm guessing the answer is no as it appears the thread title has changed.

 

[fifaguy]

 

[peplaw06]

Just breezed through the thread and the only question I have is whether or not he was actually carted off the field?

I'm guessing the answer is no as it appears the thread title has changed.

LOL

What a ridiculous argument. Who cares if he was carted off on a trainer's cart or the "mini-ambulance" cart? MRI says broken foot, prognosis is out 8-12 weeks. That sounds serious enough to not be offended by the term "carted off" no matter which cart took him off.

 

[gimmesix]

Thank you for that well thought out response. I understand why we went after him, I just disagree with the decision. This team is in no position to give up early round draft picks especially not knowing if a player will become solid pick or not. Not to mention we have many holes all over the team. With that said, he could turn into a pro-bowler, nobody ever knows but that doesn't change the fact that we shouldn't have given up our 3rd rounder for him in the position our team is currently in. All that breeds is mediocrity and lack of depth.

Believe me, the Cowboys thought he would improve our defense right away and that is why they gave up a 3rd for him. They drafted purely on immediate need after cutting DW vs standing pat and taking BPA within reason. They made the right decision to cut DM but made the wrong decision to give up a 3rd to "immediately" fill his position.

I'm always torn on trading up ... particularly because we just don't know how a player will turn out. From that aspect, I'd rather take two shots at finding a good one than one. But I can't disagree with a strategy that ends up landing us a blue-chip player instead of possibly two mediocre ones.

That's why it is so hard to judge. Would we have been better off trading up to take Max Unger in 2009 than ultimately trading down for a bag of junk? Or would we have been better off trading the picks in 2008 that landed us Mike Jenkins and Martellus Bennett for the chance to take Brandon Albert (don't know if the trade value works out)?

Would we have been better off trading the picks that landed us Bruce Carter and DeMarco Murray in 2011 for a chance to pick up Andy Dalton or Colin Kaepernik? At the same time, we could have packaged those picks to take Ryan Williams, which would have been a clear miss.

It also appears now that we possibly would have been better off not trading up for Claiborne, but if he had come out of the gate playing like an All-Pro not many would have been upset with the move. At this point, though, having the players taken in the spots Dallas would have drafted, DT Michael Brockers and WR Alshon Jeffrey, would have been the better choice.

So my inclination because the draft is such a crapshoot is to use as many picks as you can, especially ones in the first few rounds, but I can't dog a trade up if it ends up resulting in a Pro Bowler. That's what the scouts are there to decide, and if they fail, they should be held accountable for it. It is far better for us to trade up for a Pro Bowl end than draft more third-round picks like Stephen Peterman, Derek Ross, Willie Blade, James Marten and Robert Brewster, but far worse for us to trade up for a bust pick and miss out on third-rounders like Murray, Jason Witten and Dat Nguyen. (Had to go back to 1999 to find three sure successes, although Jason Hatcher in 2006 can be thrown in there and Tyrone Crawford, Terrance Williams and J.J. Wilcox possibly will be.)

 

[ufcrules1]

I'm always torn on trading up ... particularly because we just don't know how a player will turn out. From that aspect, I'd rather take two shots at finding a good one than one. But I can't disagree with a strategy that ends up landing us a blue-chip player instead of possibly two mediocre ones.

That's why it is so hard to judge. Would we have been better off trading up to take Max Unger in 2009 than ultimately trading down for a bag of junk? Or would we have been better off trading the picks in 2008 that landed us Mike Jenkins and Martellus Bennett for the chance to take Brandon Albert (don't know if the trade value works out)?

Would we have been better off trading the picks that landed us Bruce Carter and DeMarco Murray in 2011 for a chance to pick up Andy Dalton or Colin Kaepernik? At the same time, we could have packaged those picks to take Ryan Williams, which would have been a clear miss.

It also appears now that we possibly would have been better off not trading up for Claiborne, but if he had come out of the gate playing like an All-Pro not many would have been upset with the move. At this point, though, having the players taken in the spots Dallas would have drafted, DT Michael Brockers and WR Alshon Jeffrey, would have been the better choice.

So my inclination because the draft is such a crapshoot is to use as many picks as you can, especially ones in the first few rounds, but I can't dog a trade up if it ends up resulting in a Pro Bowler. That's what the scouts are there to decide, and if they fail, they should be held accountable for it. It is far better for us to trade up for a Pro Bowl end than draft more third-round picks like Stephen Peterman, Derek Ross, Willie Blade, James Marten and Robert Brewster, but far worse for us to trade up for a bust pick and miss out on third-rounders like Murray, Jason Witten and Dat Nguyen. (Had to go back to 1999 to find three sure successes, although Jason Hatcher in 2006 can be thrown in there and Tyrone Crawford, Terrance Williams and J.J. Wilcox possibly will be.)

Great post man. I enjoyed reading that. I understand how you feel and I'm not always opposed to trading up either but if you do it that early you have to feel very sure the pick you trade up for has a great chance at being a true blue chip player. Like I wouldn't have been as opposed to it if we got a player like say Aaron Donald. Also, with the Claiborne trade up I really don't believe they did their homework, they just had the opportunity on draft day and took it and it has so far looked like a bad move.

Recently we have had success with our 3rd rounders like Murray, Williams, and possibly JJ. Murray and Williams are starters and it looks like JJ will be too.

We could have had Trai Trurner and solidified our oline for a decade as a top 3-5 oline in the NFL.

 

[Zekeats]

Yet another draft pick already getting his red shirt

 

[gimmesix]

Great post man. I enjoyed reading that. I understand how you feel and I'm not always opposed to trading up either but if you do it that early you have to feel very sure the pick you trade up for has a great chance at being a true blue chip player. Like I wouldn't have been as opposed to it if we got a player like say Aaron Donald. Also, with the Claiborne trade up I really don't believe they did their homework, they just had the opportunity on draft day and took it and it has so far looked like a bad move.

Recently we have had success with our 3rd rounders like Murray, Williams, and possibly JJ. Murray and Williams are starters and it looks like JJ will be too.

We could have had Trai Trurner and solidified our oline for a decade as a top 3-5 oline in the NFL.

Of course, we nearly pulled off another trade up to grab Turner, which people would have liked ... unless he turned out the way our last third-round guard from LSU did.

I do hope Dallas did its homework on Lawrence and it was more than just a reactionary pick. If the Cowboys truly felt he was a first-round talent and the cost was worth it, then I'm not going to knock the selection. I reserve the right to do so, though, if he fails. All picks have a chance at failing, but if you are going to trade two picks for the right to take a player, you better be sure he won't ... much like Dallas was with Clai ... nevermind. That pick might be the main reason McClay was elevated, though it looks like it has more to do with the miscommunication about Floyd last year.