Depressed watching SF and Seattle

[Proximo]

I seriously laughed out loud when I saw this thread. Isn't one "depression thread" enough room for you guys to sulk in? By the way, there's no guarantee these other teams' offseason moves pan out. No need to get depressed over it. And they're not even in the same division anyway.

 

[slomoxn]

I'm not to concerned about it, this team not making any major moves or being able to make any major moves is good. JG may have a handle on Jerry's huckstering and preventing him from making any stupid moves. No movement or noise from the front office is also a good sign that they will follow whatever draft board they have and not trade away any picks to move up, I have complete confidence in JG's drafting as so far it has been pretty solid. Sorry gor those that take this as Jerry bashing its not, it's just that even though JG has not graded out as the best coach as of yet he does have a good draft philosophy that appears to be working pretty well and no I give no credit to Jerry because I have seen what his idea of a draft is in 2009. I'm just glad there will be no beans and a giant beanstalk coming up out of the stadium this year for one of our better players or some other teams aging player that may have a year or two left.

 

[Wood]

improve so dramatically this offseason.

SF gets Boldin and adds the 2nd pick in the 2nd round by trading their backup qb.

Seattle adds Harvin to an offense that averaged 30 points a game with a rookie qb.

Dallas? Sits in the cap penalty box and loses former #1 picks that should never have been drafted.

Help me out. Need a reason to think Dallas will compete for a superbowl soon.

Superbowl is absolutely out considering you basically have same core that quit on Wade and is 8-8 with Garrett. There would need to be fundamental change at management and onfield leadership to even start having conversations about competing for super bowls.

 

[DanteEXT]

yepp, this franchise is broken, a complete mess. to have the popularity and spending money we do, yet play .500 ball for 16+ years, absolutely amazing.

Jerry Jones might be suffering from some sort of dementia or something...being completely serious. Hearing interviews of him now compared to the superbowl years, theres a few screws loose.

Oh FFS, that stat is the dumbest thing ever. Almost as bad as the created "win or go home game" stat that came out last year. It portays that the team has been 8-8 every year for 16+. Almost half (47%) the seasons starting in 1996 have ended being over .500. You know what really skews that overall 17 year record down? Three straight 5-11 season under Campo.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not happy with 8-8. But I see a team that is closer to a 10-11 win team than a 5-6 win team. Both keeping some guys healthy and some improvement in the OL will go along way to improving the teams win/loss record this season.

 

[perrykemp]

You know what really skews that overall 17 year record down? Three straight 5-11 season under Campo.

I don't care about records... I care about playoffs. They haven't been there since 2009 -- going on 4 years now.

 

[DanteEXT]

I don't care about records... I care about playoffs. They haven't been there since 2009 -- going on 4 years now.

An improved record leads to better chances of making the playoffs.

I was responding specifically to the whole 16+ years of .500 crap. It's dumb to refer to something that spans multiple coaches and players, many of which are not longer around.

 

[Miller]

An improved record leads to better chances of making the playoffs.

I was responding specifically to the whole 16+ years of .500 crap. It's dumb to refer to something that spans multiple coaches and players, many of which are not longer around.

Completely untrue and unaware!

It's called corporate climate or team culture. No matter the coaches, etc if you keep the same system in place and the same players rotating through then you don't change the culture. It's the reason why there are dynasties and failures. Do you think the Cowboys winning in 26 of 31 years, including 20 straight was an accident or the way they did business? Do you think inversely that the last 17 years and the way things have gone down is just accidental too? There is a reason why there are the Patriots year in and year out and the Browns year in and year out. Culture.

Again, I'm not a pessimist on everything but the reason why people are complaining or having issues year in and year out is they have battered fan syndrome and see the same moves and issues and its hard to get over that culture after seeing the other side.

 

[9darter]

There are no reasons they should. They are managed horribly.

Although for all the praise Stephen gets and all the defending of his cap ways, it's been awfully quiet as of late.

Good call guys, the cap will never be a problem. Here we are though, hoping the team can work out a long term deal for Spencer just so they can sign a couple of a JAGs.

Where's the dotted line? This is it.

 

[Hoofbite]

An improved record leads to better chances of making the playoffs.

I was responding specifically to the whole 16+ years of .500 crap. It's dumb to refer to something that spans multiple coaches and players, many of which are not longer around.

Unless people are referencing in terms of the constant.

 

[bayeslife]

If it's so depressing go watch another team. I'm stuck with this team for the rest of my life so I'm better off just cheering for the team they have than whining every day.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

SEA and SF are going to run into some serious issues when they have to sign their QBs to their second deals - assuming they stay on the team.

Teams like MIA, IND, JAG, MIN, CLE, and KC all have QBs that are not making top tier FA money right now. Many of those teams have rookie QBs on rookie deals that are incredibly cheap compared to the Brees, Flacco, and the Manning brothers. The above teams can spend more on the pieces around their rookie QBs because they aren't making a fraction of what the other proven vets are. However, come contract time they will have huge decisions on their hand.

Dallas has $16M tied up to Romo this year. Imagine if we had a rookie QB on a rookie deal right now...we would have cap space to sign a top tier FA or two at the very minimum.

So which would it be? A rookie QB or a proven vet QB? The front office believes that Romo can do it...do you?

This.

Teams with young QB's or QB's that aren't considered "franchise" QB's aren't likely to be up against the cap.

 

[DanteEXT]

Completely untrue and unaware!

It's called corporate climate or team culture. No matter the coaches, etc if you keep the same system in place and the same players rotating through then you don't change the culture. It's the reason why there are dynasties and failures. Do you think the Cowboys winning in 26 of 31 years, including 20 straight was an accident or the way they did business? Do you think inversely that the last 17 years and the way things have gone down is just accidental too? There is a reason why there are the Patriots year in and year out and the Browns year in and year out. Culture.

Again, I'm not a pessimist on everything but the reason why people are complaining or having issues year in and year out is they have battered fan syndrome and see the same moves and issues and its hard to get over that culture after seeing the other side.

I think stability has a lot to do with creating a culture. The Patriots have maintained success, IMO, because they haven't changed every 2-3 years. I think each coaching change brings a change in culture. The 90's dynasty includes the first few years of that 17 years. It also saw coaching changes. I have no clue what Campo was trying to create. I think Parcells came in and changed the culture of the team. Same as Wade. Same as Garrett.

The positives and negatives of each regime can be argued ad nauseum, which I am inclined not to do. But I don't think there has been one overiding culture. I think several have been tried with varying success and failures.

But selecting an arbitrary date to make a claim that the Cowboys are a .500 team is still dumb.

I can do that too and make the Cowboys a winning record team. Since Parcells was brought in and changed the culture of the Cowboys, they've gone 89-71 with 4 playoff appearences.

 

[DanteEXT]

Unless people are referencing in terms of the constant.

But it's not a constant .500 year in year out. That's my point.

 

[Hoofbite]

This.

Teams with young QB's or QB's that aren't considered "franchise" QB's aren't likely to be up against the cap.

There are teams paying QBs more than Romo is making. Well, bigger cap hits that is.

Broncos
Saints
Giants
Lions
Chargers

And there are certainly a few in the vicinity. There are 14 teams who have a cap hit of 12M or more on the books for their QB.

Dallas' situation with the cap has little to do with Romo's contract by itself. Assuming other teams will face some sort of hardship as soon as they have to sign a QB is a little misguided. Many teams have cap allocations for the QBs right on par with Dallas.

 

[Hoofbite]

But it's not a constant .500 year in year out. That's my point.

What does that matter and who would ever expect it to?

 

[Miller]

I think stability has a lot to do with creating a culture. The Patriots have maintained success, IMO, because they haven't changed every 2-3 years. I think each coaching change brings a change in culture. The 90's dynasty includes the first few years of that 17 years. It also saw coaching changes. I have no clue what Campo was trying to create. I think Parcells came in and changed the culture of the team. Same as Wade. Same as Garrett.

The positives and negatives of each regime can be argued ad nauseum, which I am inclined not to do. But I don't think there has been one overiding culture. I think several have been tried with varying success and failures.

But selecting an arbitrary date to make a claim that the Cowboys are a .500 team is still dumb.

I can do that too and make the Cowboys a winning record team. Since Parcells was brought in and changed the culture of the Cowboys, they've gone 89-71 with 4 playoff appearences.

It's not an arbitrary date. The beginning date if one period is the start of 20 straight winning seasons and ends after the 90s dynasty. It includes only 5 years of losing records and represents the Super Bowls. It also represents eras in which we had GMs or player personnel people/coaches running the team properly. The second time period is Jerry doing it his way and represents the non-playoff/SB period. The Parcells time is the outlier, just like the 5 losing years. You can't make up a time period and say he brought in winning when you haven't made the playoffs in years and are .500.

 

[DanteEXT]

It's not an arbitrary date. The beginning date if one period is the start of 20 straight winning seasons and ends after the 90s dynasty. It includes only 5 years of losing records and represents the Super Bowls. It also represents eras in which we had GMs or player personnel people/coaches running the team properly. The second time period is Jerry doing it his way and represents the non-playoff/SB period. The Parcells time is the outlier, just like the 5 losing years. You can't make up a time period and say he brought in winning when you haven't made the playoffs in years and are .500.

So, when exactly did this "Jerry doing it his way" time period start?

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

Just start boozing til you could care less really bout football anymore like a lot have been doing around here for years. There really is no reason this franchise is broken from the top to the bottom.

We have one playoff win in 17 years and you are worried about Superbowls?

Superbowl is absolutely out considering you basically have same core that quit on Wade and is 8-8 with Garrett. There would need to be fundamental change at management and onfield leadership to even start having conversations about competing for super bowls.

I don't care about records... I care about playoffs. They haven't been there since 2009 -- going on 4 years now.

Completely untrue and unaware!

It's called corporate climate or team culture. No matter the coaches, etc if you keep the same system in place and the same players rotating through then you don't change the culture. It's the reason why there are dynasties and failures. Do you think the Cowboys winning in 26 of 31 years, including 20 straight was an accident or the way they did business? Do you think inversely that the last 17 years and the way things have gone down is just accidental too? There is a reason why there are the Patriots year in and year out and the Browns year in and year out. Culture.

Again, I'm not a pessimist on everything but the reason why people are complaining or having issues year in and year out is they have battered fan syndrome and see the same moves and issues and its hard to get over that culture after seeing the other side.

At the thrift shop down the road.

 

[InDakWeTrust]

great I feel better.........pause............not

I love Borat references..