DeSean Jackson... what do you think?

[burmafrd]

Its not a sure thing that he could indeed put on 20 lbs without losing some quicknessz, etc. Its real easy to say anyone can add weight but some people cannot. And who is to say he already has NOT done all he can there?
A lot of college programs have weight training systems that are not much behind the professional ones.

 

[Hailmary]

Its not a sure thing that he could indeed put on 20 lbs without losing some quicknessz, etc. Its real easy to say anyone can add weight but some people cannot. And who is to say he already has NOT done all he can there?
A lot of college programs have weight training systems that are not much behind the professional ones.

I agree. I'm not sure if he has the frame to put on 20lbs.

 

[Doomsday101]

Its not a sure thing that he could indeed put on 20 lbs without losing some quicknessz, etc. Its real easy to say anyone can add weight but some people cannot. And who is to say he already has NOT done all he can there?
A lot of college programs have weight training systems that are not much behind the professional ones.

Pros still have better training programs year around and better physical and nutritional trainers than do the college programs who are more limited in funds than what an NFL team can offer. The kid is 6'00" 178 he will add more to his frame. It is very common that NFL trainers to get with Rookies and add weight to them

 

[dallasfaniac]

If he showed up at the combine closer to 190, I might take him at 22, else take him at 28 if he fell. We'll see after the combine and individual workouts.

 

[DCfaninDC]

Pros still have better training programs year around and better physical and nutritional trainers than do the college programs who are more limited in funds than what an NFL team can offer. The kid is 6'00" 178 he will add more to his frame. It is very common that NFL trainers to get with Rookies and add weight to them

Plus, I beleive players get personal trainers as well once the money starts rolling in. I think he will put on some more weight no matter where he ends up, but 200 lbs? Not sure.

 

[Doomsday101]

I think he will add weight. All in 1 year chances are no but he will have to increase from his current 178. Unlike college he will face off more often with big physical CB. There is a lot more bump and run and more physical play at the line of scrimmage than what any of these rookie WR have seen before which plays a big role in why it takes WR a couple of years to find their way in the NFL and the reason why it will be important to increase his weight and strength

 

[speedkilz88]

The Cowboys drafted a skinny, fast receiver a several years ago in the 3rd round, not too far after the 49ers drafted Terrell Owens. Stepfret Williams never gained weight and never produced for the Cowboys.

 

[Chuck 54]

I love DeSean Jackson...you can get stronger in the NFL, but you can't get faster or more athletic...this guy is one of the most electrifying receivers in the draft, and I'd be happy with him.

Those who don't think he's big enough need to think about guys like Wes Welker, who are quick and shifty, but don't have a tenth of the speed and pure athleticism of Jackson. This is the type of guy who can return punts and kickoffs, but can contribute immediately and avoid the jams by putting him in the slot, in motion, anywhere...he can grow and get stronger.

He's an athlete who makes huge plays every time you see him.

 

[Meat-O-Rama]

Don't want him. More mouth than talent or heart.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I wouldn't be unhappy but I'd be happier with a few other guys instead.

I'm not saying the guy couldnt' do it at the NFL level, guys like Steve Smith, Wes Welker, and Santana Moss (Albiet bigger than Jackson) have shown that you can be very productive in the NFL despite not being 6'2" tall and 220 pounds.

That said I'd much rather have Malcom Kelly and one of my big reasons for that is his size advantage to go along with very good speed for a guy that big.

 

[dallasfaniac]

Those who don't think he's big enough need to think about guys like Wes Welker, who are quick and shifty, but don't have a tenth of the speed and pure athleticism of Jackson.

Welker is 3 inches shorter and 15 pounds heavier. Terry Glenn and Steve Smith are an inch shorter and 20 pounds heavier. In the NFL, a punter would ring Jackson's bell; at that weight anyway.

 

[Goldenrichards83]

[FONT=Verdana,sans-serif]DeSean Jackson WR California[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana,sans-serif]STRENGTHS [/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana,sans-serif]DeSean is very quick and really fast. He has good hands to catch the ball down the field and can break the big play at anytime as a WR or as a special teams return specialist. DeSean has the potential to be as good as Marvin Harrison (WR Colts). He has that type of ability and talent. He will give special team coaches, kickers and punters nightmares the week before they have to go up against this kid. He has Devin Hester special teams potential and Marvin Harrison WR potential. [/FONT]


[FONT=Verdana,sans-serif]NEEDS TO IMPROVE [/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana,sans-serif]First things first: DeSean will not be going over the middle to catch a ball and don’t bother to ask him to do it. It’s not going to happen. Then again, does he really need to do that? DeSean will have to learn how to use his speed, beat the bump and run and get stronger to take the pounding at the next level. He has a bad habit of peeking on the deep ball in zone coverage when he sees a safety coming across the field to take his head off. He is also a lousy blocker. Oh, he can block when he wants to, but it’s a problem getting him to want to. [/FONT][FONT=Verdana,sans-serif]TALENT [/FONT]


[FONT=Verdana,sans-serif]BOARD ROUND: 1 [/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana,sans-serif]DeSean does not like to get hit and will only run the routes he thinks he should run. The other routes he loafs on. However, he can score at any time from any place on the field, which is what may mislead everybody into thinking that DeSean could be a big time WR. For me personally, that is not enough. I know DeSean will have an excellent rookie year, but as his career goes on, he will disappear unless he decides to become a complete WR. I’m not sure that is going to happen once this kid gets 1st round money. Of course, I’ve been wrong before and maybe I’m wrong now, but for me, there are way too many WR’s in this draft to screw around with a boom or bust pick because of his athletic talent. Remember, it takes more than talent to play in the NFL and because DeSean does not like to get hit, I feel that just because he can score from any place on the field does not mean that he will. Look for this kid to peak in his rookie year with a few home run balls and reverses and then to have his reputation from that one year carry him through his first contract. He should be an excellent fantasy league player. The good thing about him is that when he is on the field, most teams will have to double cover him because he can score from anywhere on the field and you would be a fool not to. Let this kid get a free release on the snap and you’re in for big trouble. Let this kid go into motion and get a free release and you’re in big trouble. But if you hit this kid hard once or twice real hard and knock the snot out of him, he is in for a long day of peeking and dropping balls all over the place. Match him up with a solid possession WR and who knows what his career will be? DeSean is the type of draft pick who is a curse and a gift. You’re damned if you draft him and damned if you don’t![/FONT]


[FONT=Verdana,sans-serif]I would take him for the mere fact that he would draw double teams and he adds speed to our offense that we have lacked since Glenn been out. Plus we would have the best special teams in the league.[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana,sans-serif]Think back to all the holes Miles Austin had returning kicks but either ran the wrong way or got caught. Those are TDs with this kid. [/FONT][FONT=Verdana,sans-serif]Bottom line we must have a KR guy come out of this draft rather it be Felix Jones, Desean Jackson, Eddie Royal or Chris Johnson. We need speed on this offense.[/FONT]

 

[Woods]

[FONT=Verdana,sans-serif]DeSean Jackson WR California[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana,sans-serif]STRENGTHS [/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana,sans-serif]DeSean is very quick and really fast. He has good hands to catch the ball down the field and can break the big play at anytime as a WR or as a special teams return specialist. DeSean has the potential to be as good as Marvin Harrison (WR Colts). He has that type of ability and talent. He will give special team coaches, kickers and punters nightmares the week before they have to go up against this kid. He has Devin Hester special teams potential and Marvin Harrison WR potential. [/FONT]


[FONT=Verdana,sans-serif]NEEDS TO IMPROVE [/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana,sans-serif]First things first: DeSean will not be going over the middle to catch a ball and don’t bother to ask him to do it. It’s not going to happen. Then again, does he really need to do that? DeSean will have to learn how to use his speed, beat the bump and run and get stronger to take the pounding at the next level. He has a bad habit of peeking on the deep ball in zone coverage when he sees a safety coming across the field to take his head off. He is also a lousy blocker. Oh, he can block when he wants to, but it’s a problem getting him to want to. [/FONT][FONT=Verdana,sans-serif]TALENT [/FONT]


[FONT=Verdana,sans-serif]BOARD ROUND: 1 [/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana,sans-serif]DeSean does not like to get hit and will only run the routes he thinks he should run. The other routes he loafs on. However, he can score at any time from any place on the field, which is what may mislead everybody into thinking that DeSean could be a big time WR. For me personally, that is not enough. I know DeSean will have an excellent rookie year, but as his career goes on, he will disappear unless he decides to become a complete WR. I’m not sure that is going to happen once this kid gets 1st round money. Of course, I’ve been wrong before and maybe I’m wrong now, but for me, there are way too many WR’s in this draft to screw around with a boom or bust pick because of his athletic talent. Remember, it takes more than talent to play in the NFL and because DeSean does not like to get hit, I feel that just because he can score from any place on the field does not mean that he will. Look for this kid to peak in his rookie year with a few home run balls and reverses and then to have his reputation from that one year carry him through his first contract. He should be an excellent fantasy league player. The good thing about him is that when he is on the field, most teams will have to double cover him because he can score from anywhere on the field and you would be a fool not to. Let this kid get a free release on the snap and you’re in for big trouble. Let this kid go into motion and get a free release and you’re in big trouble. But if you hit this kid hard once or twice real hard and knock the snot out of him, he is in for a long day of peeking and dropping balls all over the place. Match him up with a solid possession WR and who knows what his career will be? DeSean is the type of draft pick who is a curse and a gift. You’re damned if you draft him and damned if you don’t![/FONT]


[FONT=Verdana,sans-serif]I would take him for the mere fact that he would draw double teams and he adds speed to our offense that we have lacked since Glenn been out. Plus we would have the best special teams in the league.[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana,sans-serif]Think back to all the holes Miles Austin had returning kicks but either ran the wrong way or got caught. Those are TDs with this kid. [/FONT][FONT=Verdana,sans-serif]Bottom line we must have a KR guy come out of this draft rather it be Felix Jones, Desean Jackson, Eddie Royal or Chris Johnson. We need speed on this offense.[/FONT]

To me, D Jackson is your classic boom or bust type of WR (esp for a likely 1st rounder).

If you hit on him, he could help you in so many ways . . . . otherwise . . . .

I don't know much stock scouts/coaches, etc. put into interviews, but this is definitely one guy I'd interview diligently. And I'd also find out about his work ethic - extensively.

Just my opinion.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Exactly, but what is he going to bulk up to? 190? 200? At 200, that's 20 lbs more than he's got now, would he still be as fast?

he doesn't have to bulk up that much really, Marvin Harrison is 180, maybe 185, soaking wet

if he's there at 22, I say jump all over him, esp. if guys like Leodis, Cromartie, Mike Jenkins and Malcolm Kelly are gone

 

[Bizwah]

I really don't understand the love for this guy. He's supposed to be a speed demon, yet averaged 11.7 yards per catch.

People are trying to compare him to Santana Moss, Wes Welker, and Steve Smith, but the body styles are COMPLETELY different.

They're built solidly. Jackson is just plain skinny. Jackson's body style is more akin to Todd Pinkston or Brandon Lloyd.

Harrison is a good comparison, but I believe he's the exception, not the rule. I remember guys like Todd Pinkston (6-2 170)....he did well in college, and guys like Kiper actually thought he'd make a good NFL WR. I remember hearing that Pinky could add weight in a pro conditioning program. The thing is....some skinny guys just can't add the weight. Some skinny guys add the weight, but lose their quickness.

Listen, I really hope Jackson has a good career in the NFL. But you don't see skinny guys make it too often in the NFL. I think you really have to be careful in the first round.....you can't miss too many times there. You have to be as sure there as possible.

Jackson's slight build is a huge minus......

I will be honest here. I saw a handful of Cal games this year. In the opener vs Tennessee, Jackson electrified the crowd with a HUGE return. But he was virtually invisible as a WR. In fact, he was invisible as a WR in nearly every game I watched.

But I didn't see all of his games....surely he must've done something right. I'd really like someone that's seen him a lot tell me what they know about him. All I hear is "he's super-duper fast dude!"....Well, everyone's fast in the NFL.

 

[InmanRoshi]

Best case scenerio is he turns out to be Santana Moss, and just like Santana Moss it will take at least three years before he's ready to contribute as a NFL WR. Being that skinny NFL cornerbacks are going to get up on the line of scrimmage and hit him right in the mouth for the first time in his career, and he's not going to like it very much. It will take him at least two years to learn and build up enough strength to get off the line.

 

[Primetime0201]

YEAH! Lets use a 1st round pick to draft a ted ginn type of player because thats all he is.

 

[Hailmary]

Harrison is a good comparison

I actually think Hawkins is a better comparison to Harrison. DeSean is a lot faster than Harrison. Hawkins runs precise routes like Harrison does and probably compares favorably speed wise.

 

[amuze]

I attended almost every home game over the last 2 years at Cal and I must say that I'm thrilled to see what Lavelle has become. He's a great possession receiver with great instincts and excellent route running. With that said, I still firmly believe that DJax will be the real deal and the better of the two WR in the years to come.

If you could see his electricity in person, you'd be amazed. The guy is just a blur on the field every time he touches the ball. Everyone else around him just runs in slow motion. Yes he's small, but weight is not a physical limitation. If you argue he's too short, then I'd direct you to the likes of Steve Smith (Panthers) and guys like him.

I understand people's hesitation with taking a WR in the 1st round, but do realize that we're drafting pretty late in the 1st. Quite frankly, I'd be shocked if he was still around even at 22. How many "guaranteed" success stories do you think will still be around at that time anyways?

 

[KC10Sooner]

I think this kid can be spectacular. So much so, that I think he will be better than Malcolm Kelly..and I am a diehard Sooner. I just think DJax fits our offense better.

I'm hoping for a corner first followed by a WR, then a RB in the second to fall to us..Chris Johnson maybe.....