Deuce Vaughn getting A Lot Of Practice Snaps With 1st & 2nd Team Offense

[CowboyRoy]

I’m starting to like this draft more and more. When the draft happened I was disappointed and underwhelmed. Now I’m pretty excited. This draft class might be called the “sleeper draft”. Or the “diamond draft”. We found some late round and UDFA gems.

Schoonmaker has to turn out great and Mazi has to be great for this to be a really amazing draft.

Love Deuce and love Overshown. The 4th round pick I would have taken another RB.

Pollard, 4th rounder, Deuce would be a great young backfield for this year and going into next season if they dont resign Pollard.

 

[DuncanIso]

To the best of my knowledge, no one schemes to have an RB hold a block against a lineman. That's just not how it works. RB's are supposed to recognize when someone is coming free and basically chip or hit them to buy the QB an extra second to throw the ball. Its up to the RB to recognize the issue and react quickly. Basically, RB pass protecting is primarily a mental issue and not a physical one.

What am I missing? Do people think that defensive players are simply going to step over Deuce?

Zeke sets the standard on RB blocking.

 

[blueblood70]

I only suggested NFL defenses may be significantly better than Big 12, or any other collegiate, defenses. It might be better to see how Vaughn does against NFL defenses in the regular season before comparing him to Barry Sanders, as I’ve seen on multiple threads, or even Darren Sproles. What would you suggest would be a decent year, rushing yards and receiving yards, for Vaughn this season?

Look I know what you're suggesting and you're right the NFL has much more consistently big defensive players however you can only play who's in front of you and so far deuce Vaughn has been one of the most underrated players because of his size his whole entire career playing football I'm sure somebody in high school told him there's no way he can play college football he's not big enough and I'm sure somebody told him that he can't be the starting running back and be the top three running back of all time Kansas State with 5000 scrimmage yards you know only two other players in the history of the school Tyler Lockett and Darren Sproles have done that I mean the guy was an MVP of the Big 12 championship game..

All we're saying is this is gonna be a smaller sample size of what he's done already and I think that with a smaller sample size in the NFL you're gonna get what you saw in college out of him just on a smaller scale no pun intended wait pun intended..

I think Simply put people are underestimating what he can do in the NFL he's already proved it at every level and as long as the team who has him uses him properly make sure they don't overuse him he looks like a guy who knows how to get hit slide avoid the big hit I believe that's how Emmett Smith made it so long in the NFL not because he was big I don't think he was like zeke he was never looking for contact he was looking to make as little contact as possible and I believe that's how do you spawn plays his game he knows he's small and he uses it to his advantage in his games as well as the way he avoids the tackles. He's not gonna be able to avoid them all but I think people are under estimating the guy..

I don't like putting expectations on a guy why put a number on it just see how it develops it took Tony Pollard more than two seasons to finally get significant snaps but let's just go do that how many snaps did Tony Pollard get his first year and I believe without Kellen Moore here with people's eyes wide open on the skill set produce fun he'll probably get around that you know 4 to 500 yards on the ground enough touches in the pass game to make him a threat...

 

[blueblood70]

Even then it's more about the OL than it is about the RB, but a bulldozer helps.

This is one of the most positive things that has happened in changing the offense without Kellen Moore Kellen Moore has never been a big issue here he's always had this offense humming with big yardage but he does not design screenplays he does not like small ball, and for sure he ignores the run game too much I mean he'll run the ball but it's the most vanilla plays I've ever seen I mean these are things that high school teams used as far as the run game schemes he literally was an afterthought..

If you watch the preseason already and some of the practices in training camp you see that schottenheimer and McCarthy are running a lot more screens... If you seen the way they handled the Minnesota Vikings is just one game I can remember off the top of my head with all the wheel routes and some screens and they just demolished Minnesota that was one game but then it disappears I mean where is all this creativity when you get in the playoffs and you leave guys like Turpin, Malik Davis , and others on the bench when you truly need to create offense through design when you lose a player like Pollard or you're struggling in the regular run game and Kellen Moore just fell short in that area IMHO.. I believe Kellen Moore will do just fine with the chargers I mean he'll be on an offense that may wanna but be wide open in the passing game and that's more his thing so he's probably gonna have some success but I believe we're better off without him..

This is the main reason Kellen Moore was let go not because he wasn't a good offensive coordinator he no longer fit what we were trying to do here...

 

[USArmyVet]

Schoonmaker has to turn out great and Mazi has to be great for this to be a really amazing draft.

Love Deuce and love Overshown. The 4th round pick I would have taken another RB.

Pollard, 4th rounder, Deuce would be a great young backfield for this year and going into next season if they dont resign Pollard.

What's done is done as far as the draft but hindsight being what it is, had Dallas taken OG O'Cyrus Torrence (drafted by the Bills and played well in first preseason game) in the 2nd round instead of TE Luke Schoonmaker (especially after the first game that UDFA TE Stephens had) and in the 4th round grabbed RB Israel Abanikanda that would, for my two cents, been an interesting to watch draft result.

That said, with the Jets having added Dalvin Cook to a backfield that already had Breece Hall and Michael Carter, maybe Dallas should reach out and offer a trade for Israel seeing as how so far in 2 preseason games Israel has 21 carries for 83 yards and 1 TD in addition to 4 catches and 36 yards. He would be a nice pairing with Vaughn, especially given Pollard is on a 1-year franchise tag coming off a bad lower leg injury.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

He reminds me a lot of Sproles. Short, quick, and elusive at running with it, and he's really good on screen passes. I think we got a good one with him.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Nobody is going to take snaps away from Pollard. He’s a fantastic player who needs to play as much as he can.

Absolutely not.

We need to keep a restrictor plate on him. Regulate his touches. Maximize him.

Unless we're going for ruining him like we did Zeke. I suppose if we're looking to ditch him from his next contract, that's a great idea.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

My question is , if Vaughn is the only RB in the backfield, is it a pretty good bet it’s not going to be a pass?

I don’t want to see the munchkin picking up a blitzer with a full head of steam.

I could see it being a pass if he's being sent on a wheel route. They may want to throw quick passes to him or dump offs.

 

[AsthmaField]

Absolutely not.

We need to keep a restrictor plate on him. Regulate his touches. Maximize him.

Unless we're going for ruining him like we did Zeke. I suppose if we're looking to ditch him from his next contract, that's a great idea.

They’ll rotate him but he’s clearly the no. 1 back in Dallas now.

I wasn’t talking about using him up. I’m just saying he needs to be used all he can reasonably deal with throughout the season.

I’ve seen people say use him up this year and then let him go. That isn’t what I’m saying here. I don’t agree with doing that.

 

[Typhus]

Nobody is going to take snaps away from Pollard. He’s a fantastic player who needs to play as much as he can.

TP will get all the snaps he wants or needs, will be nice seeing some very diverse RB2/3 on this roster in such a very long time.
Giving different looks in the backfield is only a positive.
Deuce is completely polar opposite of say Leupke.

 

[CoachD]

Vaughn is already RB2 regardless of when he comes in during preseason games the other guys are just getting touches just to get a look or maybe use for trade bait if the opportunity presents itself.

 

[Rayman70]

Vaughn is already RB2 regardless of when he comes in during preseason games the other guys are just getting touches just to get a look or maybe use for trade bait if the opportunity presents itself.

that might trigger someone here. I agree. Deuce is viewed by the staff as the 2. The anti Deuce cult wont like it.

 

[Rayman70]

He reminds me a lot of Sproles. Short, quick, and elusive at running with it, and he's really good on screen passes. I think we got a good one with him.

agree. We got a guy that just needs a tiny crease 2 make something happen. Defenses cant just stack the box against us. I see a 4-5 year rb in the NFL, that can spark a team and be a difference. Even if he doesn't play 10 years. Not bad for a late rd flyer.

 

[MarcusRock]

On this board, sometimes I'm not sure if there's anyone over 10.

I am.

Oh wait, you were talking about age. TMI, sorry.

 

[MarcusRock]

Vaughn is already RB2 regardless of when he comes in during preseason games the other guys are just getting touches just to get a look or maybe use for trade bait if the opportunity presents itself.

Lol @ trade bait for those other scrubs. Vaughn is a Deuce among peons in the rest of that RB stable.

 

[USArmyVet]

that might trigger someone here. I agree. Deuce is viewed by the staff as the 2. The anti Deuce cult wont like it.

Anti-Deuce cult? Wow, Vaughn has hit the big time already to have a cult apparently in the minds of at least one.

 

[Jumbo075]

This is one of the most positive things that has happened in changing the offense without Kellen Moore Kellen Moore has never been a big issue here he's always had this offense humming with big yardage but he does not design screenplays he does not like small ball, and for sure he ignores the run game too much I mean he'll run the ball but it's the most vanilla plays I've ever seen I mean these are things that high school teams used as far as the run game schemes he literally was an afterthought..

If you watch the preseason already and some of the practices in training camp you see that schottenheimer and McCarthy are running a lot more screens... If you seen the way they handled the Minnesota Vikings is just one game I can remember off the top of my head with all the wheel routes and some screens and they just demolished Minnesota that was one game but then it disappears I mean where is all this creativity when you get in the playoffs and you leave guys like Turpin, Malik Davis , and others on the bench when you truly need to create offense through design when you lose a player like Pollard or you're struggling in the regular run game and Kellen Moore just fell short in that area IMHO.. I believe Kellen Moore will do just fine with the chargers I mean he'll be on an offense that may wanna but be wide open in the passing game and that's more his thing so he's probably gonna have some success but I believe we're better off without him..

This is the main reason Kellen Moore was let go not because he wasn't a good offensive coordinator he no longer fit what we were trying to do here...

I think the main reason Kellen left was that Mike McCarthy wanted to call the plays. It isn't anything bad about Kellen. It's just Mike wanted to do it, so Kellen needed to move on. He did so very quickly - win-win for both Mike and Kellen. It remains to be see if it is a win for the Cowboys, but I don't begrudge Mike the prerogative to call plays.

 

[blueblood70]

I think the main reason Kellen left was that Mike McCarthy wanted to call the plays. It isn't anything bad about Kellen. It's just Mike wanted to do it, so Kellen needed to move on. He did so very quickly - win-win for both Mike and Kellen. It remains to be see if it is a win for the Cowboys, but I don't begrudge Mike the prerogative to call plays.

but what i said was very true and i stand by it, he's simply not very good with the run game and the run calls in a game situation, they were as non-creative and vanilla as it comes. not about the volume of the run calls, its how they are designed and called. shots formations are less predictable between run vs pass and they like more screens quick passes and im betting more creative runs off formations that could be pass or run.

 

[Typhus]

Just watch how wee man takes down the distractors.

 

[CowboyRoy]

What's done is done as far as the draft but hindsight being what it is, had Dallas taken OG O'Cyrus Torrence (drafted by the Bills and played well in first preseason game) in the 2nd round instead of TE Luke Schoonmaker (especially after the first game that UDFA TE Stephens had) and in the 4th round grabbed RB Israel Abanikanda that would, for my two cents, been an interesting to watch draft result.

That said, with the Jets having added Dalvin Cook to a backfield that already had Breece Hall and Michael Carter, maybe Dallas should reach out and offer a trade for Israel seeing as how so far in 2 preseason games Israel has 21 carries for 83 yards and 1 TD in addition to 4 catches and 36 yards. He would be a nice pairing with Vaughn, especially given Pollard is on a 1-year franchise tag coming off a bad lower leg injury.

Isreal was one of my favorite RB targets in the draft. Definitely would have taken him in the 4th and torrence at guard.