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[Bob Sacamano]

Yea, your right. 4'th in the league in pass yards given up is pretty bad. Unless you compare it to the 12'th ranked Cowboys pass defense.

I meant rush D

but even then our pass completion % allowed is 56.2, compared to your 57.1, teams just attempt more passes because they can't run on us, unlike w/ your D

 

[Who Dat]

What system did you use to get you're D rankings?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/statistics

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Regardless, are we both 8-4? When a team misses out on the playoffs but won the last 6 games of the season, do the last 6 games mean anything...besides a worse draft position?

it means alot to win the last 6 games, it means you're on a roll, it's hard to stop a team that is running on all 4-cylindars

but if you're happy w/ limping into the playoffs, by all means, have at it

 

[Who Dat]

I meant rush D

but even then our pass completion % allowed is 56.2, compared to your 57.1, teams just attempt more passes because they can't run on us, unlike w/ your D

Again........

Your 7'th overall and were 12'th OVERALL. Not much difference.

Isn't that what really matters? I mean all teams do pass and rush, correct.

 

[Tuna Helper]

I am sitting here trying to figure out how any of this is relevant?

What is the Saint's record the past 6 games? - What does this have to do with anything? Both of our records are 8-4 correct?

Teams intercept passes on your QB and teams score off of it? - Doesn't this happen to every team? Wouldn't that make that information objective?

Where are you going with this?

You made a point about Philly hanging 38 on our defense, and I explained to you that our defense wasn't even on the field when some of those 38 points were scored.

Are you high?

 

[Tuna Helper]

Again........

Your 7'th overall and were 12'th OVERALL. Not much difference.

Isn't that what really matters? I mean all teams do pass and rush, correct.

Over a 12 game span, that is a HUGE freaking difference.

 

[LowTech]

Aikman Offensive Efficiency Ratings


Aikman NFL Team AER

1------ 5- Chargers- 95.0
2------ 3- Colts- ---- 93.1
3------ 4- Cowboys- 88.2
7------ 1- Saints---- 82.0


Here is something I like to keep an eye on. I believe Aikman's system does indeed give a more complete picture.

 

[Tuna Helper]

Again........

Your 7'th overall and were 12'th OVERALL. Not much difference.

Isn't that what really matters? I mean all teams do pass and rush, correct.

Scoring defense is more relevant. Dallas is ranked 7th in points allowed, while the Saints are tied for 17th.

I mean, keeping teams from scoring is what really matters, right?

 

[Who Dat]

it means alot to win the last 6 games, it means you're on a roll, it's hard to stop a team that is running on all 4-cylindars

but if you're happy w/ limping into the playoffs, by all means, have at it

Carolina lost 2 of it's last 3 in 04 and went to the SuperBowl. So momentum may important, but you don't have to have it to get to the big dance. You can get momentum in the playoffs, and lose momentum just as fast.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Carolina lost 2 of it's last 3 in 04 and went to the SuperBowl.

and we limped into the '03 playoffs, and got blown out in the WC game, so

 

[Tuna Helper]

Carolina lost 2 of it's last 3 in 04 and went to the SuperBowl. So momentum may important, but you don't have to have it to get to the big dance. You can get momentum in the playoffs, and lose momentum just as fast.

Hey, I almost forgot about that.

You guys let Delhomme go, and he winds up leading the Panthers to the Super Bowl that year...while you guys are stuck with Aaron Brooks.

Brilliant!

I bet Saints nation were slitting their wrists that year.

 

[Who Dat]

Over a 12 game span, that is a HUGE freaking difference.

Please explain how the difference b/t 7'th ranked Defense and 12'th ranked defense is HUGE, as you put it. I am curious how you came to this analogy.

 

[Who Dat]

Scoring defense is more relevant. Dallas is ranked 7th in points allowed, while the Saints are tied for 17th.

I mean, keeping teams from scoring is what really matters, right?

Do you think this is not taken into account on the OVERALL standings?

 

[LowTech]

Aikman Defensive Efficiency Ratings

Aikman NFL Team AER

1------ 1- Ravens 93.7
2------ 2- Bears- 93.2
3------ 4- Jaguars 87.7
4------ 9- Patriots 87.0
5------ 5- Vikings- 85.3
6----- 13- Broncos 81.3
7------ 7-- Cowboys 80.3
20---- 12- Saints- 69.6

A little something I thought you may enjoy on defense

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Do you think this is not taken into account on the OVERALL standings?

it isn't

but it should

 

[Who Dat]

Hey, I almost forgot about that.

You guys let Delhomme go, and he winds up leading the Panthers to the Super Bowl that year...while you guys are stuck with Aaron Brooks.

Brilliant!

I bet Saints nation were slitting their wrists that year.

Well those wounds healed....and are feelling pretty good right now while we have Brees and Carolina has Delhomme.

 

[Who Dat]

Aikman Offensive Efficiency Ratings


Aikman NFL Team AER

1------ 5- Chargers- 95.0
2------ 3- Colts- ---- 93.1
3------ 4- Cowboys- 88.2
7------ 1- Saints---- 82.0


Here is something I like to keep an eye on. I believe Aikman's system does indeed give a more complete picture.

I bet you would. Seems a bit subjective to me.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I bet you would. Seems a bit subjective to me.

explain

 

[Tuna Helper]

Do you think this is not taken into account on the OVERALL standings?

No, the overall standings are based on yards allowed per game, nothing else. In which the Cowboys are 7th and the Saints are 12th (which is what your stat is based on).

This is the most misleading defensive stat. For example, if a team has a crappy special teams, and allows the opponent to start with better field position, then the appearance is that they have a better defense, when in reality, the opponent doesn't need as many yards to score.

Scoring defense is the most important stat...keeping the opponent from scoring is the mark of a good defense.

 

[LowTech]

I bet you would. Seems a bit subjective to me.

Aikman Efficiency Ratings Formula
The Aikman Efficiency Ratings measure offensive and defensive performance using a combination of seven key statistics identified by Troy, and then measured against league norms (and extremes) established over the last 10 years. An offense or defense performing exactly at league norms in all categories will achieve a score of 75. The better the offense or defense, the higher the score on either scale.
It will take a truly exceptional unit to score more than 90 during an entire season on either the offensive or defensive scale. Higher scores are possible in individual games.
In 2005, AER scores ranged on offense from 92.6 (Seattle) to 60.9 (San Francisco) and on defense from 89.3 (Chicago) to 61.1 (Houston). The seven categories measured are:

• Adjusted Points (20%) -- Total Points Scored or Allowed minus Points on Returns and Safeties
• Turnovers (20%)
• Red-Zone Efficiency (20%) -- Measured by Percent of Possible Points (see below)
• Yards Per Play -- divided into Yards Per Rush (10% of total) and Yards Per Pass Play (10% of total). Yards Per Pass Play includes yards on plays involving sacks.
• First-Down Achievement -- divided into Total First Downs (10% of total) and Third-Down Conversion Percentage (10% of total)
• Percentage of Possible Points in the Red Zone is figured by taking the number of Red-Zone Chances times 7, then dividing it by the number of Points Actually Scored (defined as TDs times 7 plus FGs times 3).

You call that subjective?