Dez 6 total 4th Q Targets

[CaptainCreed]

Going amiss in the Keyshawn, Hasselbeck, and Jaws argument is Keyshawn mentioning Dez only has 6 fourth quarter targets all season long. 8 games, 6 targets in crunch time! Callahan and Garrett have to figure out a way to get him the ball more if defenses are taking him away. Put him in the slot, in motion, something. And Tony has to get the ball to him. This will not cut it and is certainly part of the reason we are 4-4. WE ARE SHUTTING OUR BEST PLAYMAKER DOWN OURSELVES...

 

[Future]

Thats absolutely pathetic, I dont care how you want to spin it.

 

[dragon_mikal]

That's terrible and it boils down to Jason Garrett trying to outsmart his opponent but ultimately outsmarting himself.

No doubt he's thinking that the opposing team is assuming they'll go to Dez in those situations so he feels not doing that is somehow catching the defense off guard or something. Who knows what's going on in that Princeton brain of his?

 

[Tabascocat]

I touched on this last night. This is a prime example of offensive ineptitude.

 

[CaptainCreed]

Well we are 1-8 when Dez scores 2+ TDs, gotta avoid that trend, Garrett has that figured out clearly...

 

[CaptainCreed]

Keyshawn's numbers may be wrong. NFL.com has Dez listed with 10 receptions in fourth quarters, clearly more than 6 targets. I am looking up his target and reception totals and I will post his game by game fourth quarter numbers.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Actually, this probably has more to do with what opposing defenses are doing then what our offense is calling. You have to look at how many pass plays are called in the 4th quarter and then see how many plays Dez is on the field for in the 4th Quarter. If you find that Dez is off the field for the majority of these pass plays, then OK, I see the point and there is something there. If you find that Dez is on the field for them and Tony is not throwing to him, then you either have to look at what the Defense is doing (which is probably taking Dez away in the 4th qtr. of games) or ask yourself, why is Tony not targeting Dez?

I suspect it's that defenses are taking Dez away in the 4th.

You can't just trust everything that is said from guys like KJ. The poster who brought up the losing record we have when Dez catches 2 TDs in a game is a good indicator of that. Does anybody really believe that it's a bad thing for us when Dez actually gets two TDs in a game?

 

[Future]

Actually, this probably has more to do with what opposing defenses are doing then what our offense is calling. You have to look at how many pass plays are called in the 4th quarter and then see how many plays Dez is on the field for in the 4th Quarter. If you find that Dez is off the field for the majority of these pass plays, then OK, I see the point and there is something there. If you find that Dez is on the field for them and Tony is not throwing to him, then you either have to look at what the Defense is doing (which is probably taking Dez away in the 4th qtr. of games) or ask yourself, why is Tony not targeting Dez?

The whole point is that, Dez is so good you can go to him even when defenses are trying to take him away.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

The whole point is that, Dez is so good you can go to him even when defenses are trying to take him away.

I don't know this to be a fact. Dez is a great player but that doesn't mean that you force the ball into him. That's not smart football IMO.

To me, the whole point last Sunday was that we didn't need to put the ball up in the air at all. We had a path to victory and we didn't execute. Dez's issues are really secondary to that IMO. We didn't get it done.

 

[PhillyCowboysFan]

I suspect it's that defenses are taking Dez away in the 4th.

I hear what you are saying and I would somewhat agree. But why is it that Calvin, Jordy, Julio, Cruz, Green, Gronk and every other teams best receiver are targeted when its crunch time?

 

[CaptainCreed]

Actual Numbers:

NYG 1-2 2 yds
KC 1-4 13 yds
STL 0-1 0 yds
SD 3-3 28 yds
DEN 1-1 79 yds
WAS 1-1 17 yds
PHI 2-2 26 yds
DET 1-1 50 yds, TD

Totals 10-15 215 yds, 1 TD
Avg Per Game: 1.25 receptions - 1.9 targets, 26.9 yards, .125 TDs
So not quite Keyshawn's supposed six total targets in the 4th quarter as he may have had a different situational stat and stated it wrong.

Still need to get the guy the ball more.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I hear what you are saying and I would somewhat agree. But why is it that Calvin, Jordy, Julio, Cruz, Green, Gronk and every other teams best receiver are targeted when its crunch time?

I don't know what the stats suggest for them. I mean, I can't really comment on what I don't have info on. If that is true, then that's probably worthy of a discussion on it's own. However, I would point out that Detroit has a losing record right now, Atlanta has a losing record right now, the Giants have a losing record right now, Green Bay is winning so that may be a place you can look to substantiate your point but on the other hand, who else does Rodgers really have to throw to on that team? New England is winning but it's not because of what Gronk has done. He's been on the DL for most of the season.

I know people are frustrated here but you have to believe that there is a reason why Dez is not being targeted more in the 4th quarter. I can not believe that it's simply because we would rather throw it to Escobar or something like that.

 

[JeffInDC]

Actual Numbers:

NYG 1-2 2 yds
KC 1-4 13 yds
STL 0-1 0 yds
SD 3-3 28 yds
DEN 1-1 79 yds
WAS 1-1 17 yds
PHI 2-2 26 yds
DET 1-1 50 yds, TD

Totals 10-15 215 yds, 1 TD
Avg Per Game: 1.25 receptions - 1.9 targets, 26.9 yards, .125 TDs
So not quite Keyshawn's supposed six total targets in the 4th quarter as he may have had a different situational stat and stated it wrong.

Still need to get the guy the ball more.

Thanks for posting this info. So, you throw the ball to your most explosive weapon a total of (not including the blowout vs STL) 14 times in 7 games that were all pretty damn close in the 4th quarter. PATHETIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Like Dez said after the gam - when you have a team down, you need to put your foot on their throats. This team has been missing this key aspect since the days of the triplets.

 

[PhillyCowboysFan]

I can not believe that it's simply because we would rather throw it to Escobar or something like that.

I just through names out there of teams top receivers to make a point. Without any stats in front of me, I believe this is just not this year, but previous years trends also. Dez just does not get the looks in crunch time.

Also, if you watch the video of the first sideline exchange, they were telling Dez he had to sit on the previous route and also not to look at Romo during the play. Did I hear that right and If I did, does that mean that Dez did not make an adjustment he should have made?

 

[The Natural]

I don't know this to be a fact. Dez is a great player but that doesn't mean that you force the ball into him. That's not smart football IMO.
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It sure worked for Calvin and the Lions

 

[dstovall5]

Going amiss in the Keyshawn, Hasselbeck, and Jaws argument is Keyshawn mentioning Dez only has 6 fourth quarter targets all season long.
8 games, 6 targets in crunch time!

This is one of those stats that are MISLEADING, just like the other Dez stats where we're 1-8 when he scores multiple TDs. The reason Dez doesn't get targeted much in the 4th is because we're being a much more CONSERVATIVE offense trying to preserve the LEAD.

People on this site act like Romo doesn't throw Dez's way a lot, and that's completely false, they need to get their facts straight. Dez gets targeted just as much as all the other top WRs in the league, yet you still have people here who act like Romo doesn't even look his way.

Callahan and Garrett have to figure out a way to get him the ball more if defenses are taking him away. Put him in the slot, in motion, something. And Tony has to get the ball to him. This will not cut it and is certainly part of the reason we are 4-4. WE ARE SHUTTING OUR BEST PLAYMAKER DOWN ...

This is for you - V

Targets through this year

A.J Greeen // 85 Targets
Calvin Johnson // 79 Targets
Dez Bryant // 77 Targets
Andre Johnson // 71 Targets
Brandon Marshall // 68 Targets

You want to explain how we're shutting our play maker down? Last time I checked he's on pace for 154 TARGETS, 90 receptions, 1300 yards, and 16 TDs. If you consider that getting shut down, then please, talk about unrealistic expectations.

And also, the reason we're 4-4 is because our passing defense is on pace to be one of the worst defenses ever. Every good QB we have faced has put up 400+ yards on us, our defense can only stop below average QBs who can't hit a wide open target.

 

[erod]

This number means nothing. Stop trying to apply meaning to a pointless stat.

So if Witten or Williams or Beasley or Austin catch a 20-yard pass in the fourth quarter, that's a bad thing?

Context, people.

 

[CaptainCreed]

This is one of those stats that are MISLEADING, just like the other Dez stats where we're 1-8 when he scores multiple TDs. The reason Dez doesn't get targeted much in the 4th is because we're being a much more CONSERVATIVE offense trying to preserve the LEAD.

People on this site act like Romo doesn't throw Dez's way a lot, and that's completely false, they need to get their facts straight. Dez gets targeted just as much as all the other top WRs in the league, yet you still have people here who act like Romo doesn't even look his way.



This is for you - V

Targets through this year

A.J Greeen // 85 Targets
Calvin Johnson // 79 Targets
Dez Bryant // 77 Targets
Andre Johnson // 71 Targets
Brandon Marshall // 68 Targets

And no, the reason we're 4-4 is because our passing defense is on pace to be one of the worst defenses ever. Every good QB we have faced has put 400+ yards on us, our defense can only stop below average QBs who can't hit a wide open target.

Keyshawn was wrong, actually has had 15 targets, good for almost 2 a game, in the 4th quarter and yes I understand he is near the league leaders in targets for the season, I never disputed that. At some point though the defense is not going to improve and this is just what we are stuck with and you have to scrap your conservative offense and out score people. Dez had 5 fourth quarter TDs last year, granted we were playing from behind a lot. He has had one this year. I am hoping we use him as a weapon more going forward to secure wins since the defense is what it is through 8 games.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

It sure worked for Calvin and the Lions

It worked because he was running wide open in spaces and Stafford had all day to throw. People are acting like Calvin caught 14 jump balls.

I can tell a lot of people on here grew up playing a lot of Madden. Dez is 6'2", he's not Calvin or Rob Gronkowski. He can go get it on the goal line, sure, but throwing it up for grabs all the time is not going to work.

 

[CaptainCreed]

This number means nothing. Stop trying to apply meaning to a pointless stat.

So if Witten or Williams or Beasley or Austin catch a 20-yard pass in the fourth quarter, that's a bad thing?

Context, people.

Third down against the Lions, Romo was 1-1 to Dez for a TD, 0-0 to Witten, and 2-12 to everyone else. How did that work out for us?