Dez 6 total 4th Q Targets

[Sarge]

I am not a fan boy of Garrett's. I never really have been but I do try and stay balanced, believe it or not. I just have a hard time calling Garrett out for running the ball at the end of the game last Sunday. To me, the problem was execution, not play selection.

Now, you can certainly make the jump to coaching and link that to Garrett as the HC in charge. That is reasonable and even warranted IMO. If at the end of the season, we are again 8-8, even if we make the playoffs, I am not sure I would not make a move. The rest of the division is not going to continue to get worse. They will eventually right the ships. If you can't post a 10 win season this year, with our division being what it is, then we have a big problem IMO. I just think that's a discussion for the end of the year and not the half way point. We can still make noise IMO.

My disdain for Garrett and Co. goes FAR beyond this past Sunday. And again, I say........the fact that the rest of the division sucks, does NOT make our team better.

That's like saying, well Dad, I might have gotten a 65 on my tes,t but Johnny got a 50.

 

[The Natural]

It worked because he was running wide open in spaces and Stafford had all day to throw. People are acting like Calvin caught 14 jump balls.

I can tell a lot of people on here grew up playing a lot of Madden. Dez is 6'2", he's not Calvin or Rob Gronkowski. He can go get it on the goal line, sure, but throwing it up for grabs all the time is not going to work.

Name a DB we have played who can jump with Dez

 

[JD_KaPow]

Actual Numbers:

NYG 1-2 2 yds
KC 1-4 13 yds
STL 0-1 0 yds
SD 3-3 28 yds
DEN 1-1 79 yds
WAS 1-1 17 yds
PHI 2-2 26 yds
DET 1-1 50 yds, TD

Totals 10-15 215 yds, 1 TD
Avg Per Game: 1.25 receptions - 1.9 targets, 26.9 yards, .125 TDs
So not quite Keyshawn's supposed six total targets in the 4th quarter as he may have had a different situational stat and stated it wrong.

Still need to get the guy the ball more.

He only had one official target in the Giants game (not two), but he also drew a PI on another target and he was the target on a 2-pt conversion attempt. In the Denver game, he had a catch called back for holding. In the Detroit game, he drew a PI on another target.

So we've thrown to him 18 times in the 4th quarter: 10 completions, 4 incompletions, 2 DPI penalties, one completion called back for holding, and one failed 2-pt conversion. That's 2.25 targets per game, which would extrapolate to 9 targets over a whole game. Which is A LOT. But wait, there's more.

In the PHI and WAS games, we stopped passing after the first drive of the 4th quarter. We scored on each of those first 4th-quarter drives, so there's not much to criticize there.
In the STL game, the first play of the 4th quarter was a 3rd-down incompletion to Dez. On the next drive, Tony threw two passes: a 23-yarder to Witten and a 24-yard TD pass to Williams. He didn't throw another pass.
In the DEN game, we scored TDs on our first two 4th-quarter drives, and the INT on the only pass play of the last one. So that makes one play where you could maybe argue they should have gone to Dez instead of somebody else.
In the SD game, we threw to him 3 times. On the 4th-quarter drive where we didn't throw to him, we drove 78 yards and then Williams fumbled at the 1.
In the DET game, we threw all of 4 passes in the 4th quarter, largely because two of them were the 50-yard TD to Dez and the 60-yard TD to Williams.
We threw to him 4 times in the KC game.
That leaves the Giants game as the only one where we threw a lot in the 4th quarter without either targeting Dez or scoring anyway.

There's nothing to see here.

 

[Picksix]

You dont think having only ten 4rth quarter receptions is extremely low judging by the amount of close games we've had this year?

Perhaps, but that doesn't mean he isn't being targeted. A lot of it depends so much on context. I'd love to see them throw it more to Dez, but if the defense is loading up to take him out, and another receiver is left in a much more advantageous situation, I have no problem with Romo looking to Williams, Beasley, Witten, etc. Stafford throws a lot to CJ because he really doesn't have many other options. Romo does.

 

[Staubacher]

At what point do mods change this thread title that is so iidiotically wrong?

And what point do people here stop agreeing with the false thread title?

This stuff makes this place almost unbearable. It's embarrassing

 

[CaptainCreed]

At what point do mods change this thread title that is so iidiotically wrong?

And what point do people here stop agreeing with the false thread title?

This stuff makes this place almost unbearable. It's embarrassing

I am sorry it is "idiotically wrong". I based it on an ESPN comment I took for truth which apparently cannot be counted on, still thought it was inaccurate, did my own research, and provided the actual numbers if you want to actually read the posts. No option for me to rename the thread, so sorry for ruining your night.

 

[honyock]

Actual Numbers:

NYG 1-2 2 yds
KC 1-4 13 yds
STL 0-1 0 yds
SD 3-3 28 yds
DEN 1-1 79 yds
WAS 1-1 17 yds
PHI 2-2 26 yds
DET 1-1 50 yds, TD

Totals 10-15 215 yds, 1 TD
Avg Per Game: 1.25 receptions - 1.9 targets, 26.9 yards, .125 TDs
So not quite Keyshawn's supposed six total targets in the 4th quarter as he may have had a different situational stat and stated it wrong.

Still need to get the guy the ball more.

Dez was targeted twice in the fourth quarter on Sunday, the TD and the PI call that resulted in a first down. I don't know if the PI is counted as an official target, but we only threw the ball five times in the fourth quarter (mainly because of the two long TD passes that made for short drives, and the Lions chewing up clock on their drives). Dez was targeted on 2 of the 5. That makes me suspect that those stats are pretty suspect minus any game context.

 

[Roadtrip635]

Face it this offensive staff does not do a good job of taking advantage of players strengths or enough creativity to design plays to get the ball in their playmakers hands when they need too, or just too slow to adapt.

How long did it take for the staff to implement the end zone jump ball fade to Dez as a staple of the red zone package? Much to long! Sometimes just because you know it's coming doesn't mean you can stop it.
I think back to a younger Andre Johnson, there were no other real pass catching options, and they still found ways to get the ball into his hands. Gronk with the Pats, not all balls thrown to him were jump balls where he had to rely solely on his physical ability. The Pats devised plays to help get him separation, 1on1 matchups or misdirection. Better play design will go a long way in getting the ball into Dez's hands.

2 TE sets? This offensive staff is clueless how to implement and it didn't start this year with Escobar. Hanna, Phillips and Bennett all showed some ability while they were here, but the staff couldn't capitalize. Some may argue that those TE's were bad blockers or couldn't pick up the blitz. Bennett was one of the best blocking TEs while he was here and judging by how he's played since he left leads me to believe the coaches just weren't able to utilize his talents.

RB screens? I don't think JG knows what they are. Some may argue we can't execute them well, so who is that on the players or coaches? All players learn how to run screens in Pop Warner, so it would be a stretch that we have have the only NFL players that don't know how. When Romo sees a blitz instead of "killing" into slants or quick outs, how about a screen? I've seen it used against us and it was pretty effective.

It's easy to point to the stats and where we rank in offensive categories and it looks good om paper, but this team is not effective on offense when it needs to be. It's not just a couple of isolated games, it's the history of this offense under Garrett's coaching as a HC and OC. He doesn't need more time, he's already had plenty and it still remains the same.

It's not about the RKG, it's about the RKC (Right Kinda Coach) and he ain't it!

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I didn't think 6 was correct but 10-15 is too low as well, as far as I'm concerned.

 

[JD_KaPow]

I didn't think 6 was correct but 10-15 is too low as well, as far as I'm concerned.

What about 18? (See my post 43 above). Just for the record, what is the right number of times to throw to Dez in the 4th quarter?

 

[CaptainCreed]

What about 18? (See my post 43 above). Just for the record, what is the right number of times to throw to Dez in the 4th quarter?

ONE MILLION

Yes he is getting the ball a good amount in the fourth quarter, and this feeling/argument is likely just a bad response to him blowing up on the sidelines and our loss, backing him instead of the more reasonable reasons for the loss such as avoiding a penalty or forcing a couple incompletions. Tony might have double the picks this year if he force fed Dez an absurd like 40 targets in the fourth so far and probably gets tired of seeing double coverage over there and will miss him occasionally when he is open because he has 300 lb DL chasing him for his life. I felt much stronger about it when I heard 6 from Keyshawn only to realize Keyshawn was wrong after merely just pulling up his statistics by quarter with a google search.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

What about 18? (See my post 43 above). Just for the record, what is the right number of times to throw to Dez in the 4th quarter?

I suppose that does depend on how much we're throwing in the 4th quarter. I'd need to see what number of attempts we had in the 4th quarters overall and the targets of all the other players then I could have a more accurate understanding of how often I'd want to see him being targeted.

Just looking at it with this number 10-15 seems low to me but I could be wrong.

 

[JD_KaPow]

I suppose that does depend on how much we're throwing in the 4th quarter. I'd need to see what number of attempts we had in the 4th quarters overall and the targets of all the other players then I could have a more accurate understanding of how often I'd want to see him being targeted.

Just looking at it with this number 10-15 seems low to me but I could be wrong.

Tony is 52-72 (72.2%) for 642 yards (8.9 YPA), 6 TD and 1 INT in the 4th quarter (121.4 passer rating). That doesn't include the ones where penalties occurred, of course. But with those numbers, I honestly don't care who he's throwing to.

 

[Staubacher]

Tony is 52-72 (72.2%) for 642 yards (8.9 YPA), 6 TD and 1 INT in the 4th quarter (121.4 passer rating). That doesn't include the ones where penalties occurred, of course. But with those numbers, I honestly don't care who he's throwing to.

The new narrative is it doesn't matter how Romo plays in the 4th quarter. It would if he wasn't playing great in the 4th quarter but since he is it doesn't.