Dez being Dez

[slick325]

It seems pretty hypocritical to me....DeMarco Murray contributed far more to the success of this team. not only has he been their leading rusher over the past four seasons, he was also the team's 3rd leading receiver.

I believe that if Dez had been more reasonable, less selfish, the Cowboys could have kept DeMarco. That's how great seems win consistently, they have great players that realize they can make more money post career if they make the necessary sacrifices that lead to more winning.

If Tim Duncan tried to squeeze every penny out of the Spurs then they wouldn't have won a single championship because they never could have let their Big Three for ao Amy seasons.

The Cowboys Big Three, Romo, Bryant, Murray has been dissolved.

Not right to compare NBA players to NFL players. MLB players or NHL players for that matter. The NFL is the only sport among the ones I mentioned that doesn't fully guarantee a player's contract. Tim Duncan has earned well over $250 million in basketball earnings and Dirk Nowitzki has earned close to $220 million. Those are two players who have recently taken a paycut for their respective teams. Amazing that those cuts occur when neither would earn as much on the open market. They both have won it all but they also did "squeeze every penny" out of their respective teams while doing so. They both earned every penny too.

Bottom line is football players need to maximize their dollars based on the violent sport that they play and virtual anonymity that they play in during their careers. Outside of QB and some other players here and there...NFL players are not as well known marketing wise due to sheer numbers in the sport and the fact they wear helmets. I have no issue with Dez or DeMarco or any player wanting to maximize their earning potential especially in a sport where 30 is old. If a team will pay...then it's ok. That's the mantra. I don't blame anyone for DeMarco leaving. He got ridiculous money from Philly that Dallas couldn't match no matter what...more power to him.

 

[Spectre]

Are you in favor of Dez making business decisions week 17 for an ailment that isn't immediately career threatening,but could shorten his career?

I don't understand your point. In short though, I don't really care what Dez does as long as he catches footballs successfully for this team and doesn't cost more than he's worth against our cap at in any point in that duration.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

So you're in favor of your favorite football team paying a guy who will never play again because of an achilles tear a ton of money, over wisely paying him on a per-season basis while they can? Frustrated as the front office makes me at times, I sure am glad some of you aren't running it.

That's not what I said at all. I'm sure glad you weren't my reading comprehension teacher.

I'm saying I understand Dez's point and I don't begrudge him holding out for his money while he can. I'm not in the habit of counting other people's checkbooks.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

They have to demonstrate the talent.

Did I mention that they should offer Dez a 300M contract that is really only a 40M contract and that he would push his agent out of the way to sign it because he is a dummy?

Yeah a few times. And i'm glad you can joke about it now....because before it was an embarrassing point you kept trying to make.

 

[Spectre]

That's not what I said at all. I'm sure glad you weren't my reading comprehension teacher.

I'm saying I understand Dez's point and I don't begrudge him holding out for his money while he can. I'm not in the habit of counting other people's checkbooks.

For me, this is a decision to be considered by a player, his family, maybe an agent- no one else. The whole 'pay tha man' campaign is ridiculous to me from a team sports fan perspective. Whether he gets paid big time or not- neither you nor I (or any other fan for that matter) is going to see a dime of it. Good for him, but how does it affect this team? Often it only serves to cost a team later or contribute to a players' decline (hunger to prove?) We should support what is best for the team and certainly not encourage a player to get paid while he can because he might suffer an injury that renders him less worthy of it sometime in the future. That's counterproductive to one's team fandom, and not-respectable income for the player. I like the player, but no player is bigger than the team.

 

[JoeKing]

Your response is more than fundamentally dishonest, it is flat out lazy.

If you are going to criticize another's position then your opinion means nothing without facts to back it up.

Such as:

"Average Demarco" smashed the Cowboy single game rushing record his very first start. That was in 2011. The majority of this "legendary" offensive line were college sophomores and juniors. Since the beginning of his first season as a pro only 3 other RB's with 800 or more carries have ran for more yards. Only one has as better average yards per carry.

"Barely Above Average Murray" ran for over 700 yards in his first 7 games as a pro. He averaged 6 yards a carry.

The following year the Cowboys started 5 offensive linemen that had never played their position for the Cowboys. they flip flopped their tackles and their interior 3 were brand new players. They were considered the worst offensive line in the NFL. They were so bad they were lethal. Every single Cowboy RB got hurt, in the end they started a veteran that had agreed to come out of retirement just for those few last games.

And yet,

Murray's 4.12 average yards per carry in 2012, was higher than 7 of Emmitt Smith's pro Bowl seasons. had he not been injured, all four of his seasons expanded to more than a thousand yards over 16 games.

Since the beginning of this century, 2000, only six other RB's have rushed for more yards.....and none of them have a higher average yards per carry. Murray's 4.7 average yards per carry in 2014 was the 2nd lowest of his 4 year career. In 2013 he averaged 5.2. in his rookie year he averaged 5.5. This prolific offensive line didn't even exist in our imaginations.

Meaning,

Even when you factor in his injuries and theorize that he will miss about three games a season he is still more productive than 95% of the starting NFL RB's that play an entire 16 games.

Your response is more than fundamentally dishonest, it is flat out lazy.

If you are going to criticize another's position then your opinion means nothing without facts to back it up.

Such as:

"Average Demarco" smashed the Cowboy single game rushing record his very first start. That was in 2011. The majority of this "legendary" offensive line were college sophomores and juniors. Since the beginning of his first season as a pro only 3 other RB's with 800 or more carries have ran for more yards. Only one has as better average yards per carry.

"Barely Above Average Murray" ran for over 700 yards in his first 7 games as a pro. He averaged 6 yards a carry.

The following year the Cowboys started 5 offensive linemen that had never played their position for the Cowboys. they flip flopped their tackles and their interior 3 were brand new players. They were considered the worst offensive line in the NFL. They were so bad they were lethal. Every single Cowboy RB got hurt, in the end they started a veteran that had agreed to come out of retirement just for those few last games.

And yet,

Murray's 4.12 average yards per carry in 2012, was higher than 7 of Emmitt Smith's pro Bowl seasons. had he not been injured, all four of his seasons expanded to more than a thousand yards over 16 games.

Since the beginning of this century, 2000, only six other RB's have rushed for more yards.....and none of them have a higher average yards per carry. Murray's 4.7 average yards per carry in 2014 was the 2nd lowest of his 4 year career. In 2013 he averaged 5.2. in his rookie year he averaged 5.5. This prolific offensive line didn't even exist in our imaginations.

Meaning,

Even when you factor in his injuries and theorize that he will miss about three games a season he is still more productive than 95% of the starting NFL RB's that play an entire 16 games.

I'm sure you'll miss riding Murray's jock. Maybe you should become an Eagle fan if you like him so much. I'm moving on because I just don't share your opinion of the man.

 

[stilltheguru]

I don't understand your point. In short though, I don't really care what Dez does as long as he catches footballs successfully for this team and doesn't cost more than he's worth against our cap at in any point in that duration.

My point is you get what you pay for. Dez nor the cowboys are going all in,but it seems fans expect Dez to be all in no matter what. It doesn't work that way at this level.

 

[Spectre]

My point is you get what you pay for. Dez nor the cowboys are going all in,but it seems fans expect Dez to be all in no matter what. It doesn't work that way at this level.

I agree mostly- my comment was initiated by the poster trying to support a player getting paid when he can because he might suffer a career-ending injury before he's able to do so. That makes sense- for the player, not for me- the fan.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

I agree mostly- my comment was initiated by the poster trying to support a player getting paid when he can because he might suffer a career-ending injury before he's able to do so. That makes sense- for the player, not for me- the fan.

That makes sense for me the person who isn't going to be on a forum message board bashing a player and calling him selfish when he's doing what's best for his loved ones.

 

[Spectre]

That makes sense for me the person who isn't going to be on a forum message board bashing a player and calling him selfish when he's doing what's best for his loved ones.

I didn't bash him, or call him selfish- Hopefully that wasn't intended for me. In my opinion, what's best for his loved ones is to earn pay on services rendered, not collect fat checks from the sideline.

 

[Nightman]

I didn't bash him, or call him selfish- Hopefully that wasn't intended for me. In my opinion, what's best for his loved ones is to earn pay on services rendered, not collect fat checks from the sideline.

I've been saying this for awhile. Why should I care if Dez gets 13m or 40m if he plays only one more year? If he gets the 40m that would be a gigantic negative for Dallas.They would be stuck with a huge cap hit, and injured star and less money to replace him.

That is Dez' whole argument against signing a long term like the one TSmith signed. He wouldn't be getting the maximum amount of money he could be possibly get if he gets a career ending injury next year. I have a real hard time taking his side.

If he can't support his family on a deal that guarantees 20m for his signature, I can't get behind that. he could sign a 7/91m deal with 20m guaranteed and probably see every dollar. That is unless he gets hurt, gets lazy or just loses a step. But why should Dallas or any other team get stuck paying for that?

 

[Toruk_Makto]

I've been saying this for awhile. Why should I care if Dez gets 13m or 40m if he plays only one more year? If he gets the 40m that would be a gigantic negative for Dallas.They would be stuck with a huge cap hit, and injured star and less money to replace him.

That is Dez' whole argument against signing a long term like the one TSmith signed. He wouldn't be getting the maximum amount of money he could be possibly get if he gets a career ending injury next year. I have a real hard time taking his side.

If he can't support his family on a deal that guarantees 20m for his signature, I can't get behind that. he could sign a 7/91m deal with 20m guaranteed and probably see every dollar. That is unless he gets hurt, gets lazy or just loses a step. But why should Dallas or any other team get stuck paying for that?

Again, I don't begrudge people getting what they're worth or the most that they can. I wish Dez played for the minimum as a fan. As someone who does well for himself I don't judge others or begrudge them their pay.

Dez has had one of the best starts to a wide receiver's career in the history of the National Football League and is young and passionate about football. IF we don't pay guys like that...what's the point.

 

[Spectre]

Again, I don't begrudge people getting what they're worth or the most that they can. I wish Dez played for the minimum as a fan. As someone who does well for himself I don't judge others or begrudge them their pay.

Dez has had one of the best starts to a wide receiver's career in the history of the National Football League and is young and passionate about football. IF we don't pay guys like that...what's the point.

Now you have a good point.

 

[Nightman]

Again, I don't begrudge people getting what they're worth or the most that they can. I wish Dez played for the minimum as a fan. As someone who does well for himself I don't judge others or begrudge them their pay.

Dez has had one of the best starts to a wide receiver's career in the history of the National Football League and is young and passionate about football. IF we don't pay guys like that...what's the point.

It's not about begrudging him. I want to keep our stars. I wanted to keep Murray. I would rather fight with 'our guys' than always reshuffling the deck. But it works both ways. If Dez wants security and stability he has to give some back. If he wants the absolute top dollar than he will have to move on.

I want him to stay. The best way for that to happen is a compromise.

 

[plasticman]

I'm sure you'll miss riding Murray's jock. Maybe you should become an Eagle fan if you like him so much. I'm moving on because I just don't share your opinion of the man.

If your only contribution to this discussion is childish remarks, don't bother staying.

I wouldn't give a flip about Murray if he played for another team. However, the fact that he was one of the driving forces to this team's recent success compels me to point out statistical reality. This guy was more than good, long before Martin and Frederick were on the team. It would be unbelievably stupid to disagree by discounting the same statistics that are traditionally used to call every other RB a great one.

 

[CowboyStar88]

Nice how some posters turned a cool Dez clip into a crapfest about Murray, and Dez not being a team player. Kudos!

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Not right to compare NBA players to NFL players. MLB players or NHL players for that matter. The NFL is the only sport among the ones I mentioned that doesn't fully guarantee a player's contract. Tim Duncan has earned well over $250 million in basketball earnings and Dirk Nowitzki has earned close to $220 million. Those are two players who have recently taken a paycut for their respective teams. Amazing that those cuts occur when neither would earn as much on the open market. They both have won it all but they also did "squeeze every penny" out of their respective teams while doing so. They both earned every penny too.

Bottom line is football players need to maximize their dollars based on the violent sport that they play and virtual anonymity that they play in during their careers. Outside of QB and some other players here and there...NFL players are not as well known marketing wise due to sheer numbers in the sport and the fact they wear helmets. I have no issue with Dez or DeMarco or any player wanting to maximize their earning potential especially in a sport where 30 is old. If a team will pay...then it's ok. That's the mantra. I don't blame anyone for DeMarco leaving. He got ridiculous money from Philly that Dallas couldn't match no matter what...more power to him.

NBA does offer non guaranteed contracts.

Also Dirk and Tim at the time they signed their current contracts would have earned much more on the open market.

 

[slick325]

NBA does offer non guaranteed contracts.

Also Dirk and Tim at the time they signed their current contracts would have earned much more on the open market.

10 day contracts are the only non-guaranteed deals actually (Edit...and mid-year pick ups have pro rated deals as well). And no...neither player would have gotten much more than what they signed for with their respective teams at the time. What they took was what they likely would've been offered. So why not stay at home.

Btw, I know of two offers each received and they were close to what they signed for but the deals were from losing teams.

 

[thechosen1n2]

It seems pretty hypocritical to me....DeMarco Murray contributed far more to the success of this team. not only has he been their leading rusher over the past four seasons, he was also the team's 3rd leading receiver.

I believe that if Dez had been more reasonable, less selfish, the Cowboys could have kept DeMarco. That's how great seems win consistently, they have great players that realize they can make more money post career if they make the necessary sacrifices that lead to more winning.

If Tim Duncan tried to squeeze every penny out of the Spurs then they wouldn't have won a single championship because they never could have let their Big Three for ao Amy seasons.

The Cowboys Big Three, Romo, Bryant, Murray has been dissolved.

This is terrible reasoning. Dez had nothing to do with Demarco not getting his. Cowboy Brass did not thing Demarco was worth the money. Cowboys arent getting paid like that right now. Numerous amounts of RBs could do what Murray did behind this line. No WR has done was Dez has done TD wise the past 5 years.

 

[dupree89]

I say we sign the guy that was covering him in that video. Instant upgrade at CB.