Dez being Dez

Craig

Well-Known Member
Messages
2,651
Reaction score
1,910
They aren't the reason teams don't win SBs either. I could see it now. Jerry and Stephen are sitting in the office and Stephen says "We need to let Dez go. When was the last time an elite WR won a SB?" Then Jerry says "Aha, that's the secret. You can't win with an Elite reciever."

Seattle won a super bowl paying a top 5 receiver salary and getting virtually nothing out of him. If you can win with that money going to waste, you can win with that money going to an elite gamebreaking talent.
 

JoeyBoy718

Well-Known Member
Messages
12,715
Reaction score
12,709
franchise Dez for the next two years and move on.....high priced receivers aren't the end all be all to winning championships, if they were, they would be leading their teams to Superbowls every year, but they aren't..
Depends on what else you have going for you. At the moment, our Super Bowl chances depend on Romo, and all throughout Romo's career we've been a passing team with an elite WR for Romo to rely on. If Romo is done in two years, it might be best to move on from Dez. Depends on what else we have going for us. Brady had his best seasons with elite receivers (Moss at WR, Gronk at TE), but he won most his Super Bowls with JAGs at WR since the defense was elite and they relied on their running attack. Seattle and San Fran were very good without elite WRs because they had elite defenses and had running QBs. It all depends. The Cardinals made a Super Bowl on the backs of their WRs.
 

unionjack8

Well-Known Member
Messages
22,439
Reaction score
27,101
CowboysZone LOYAL Fan
give this man the money, ffs, he's the emotional hearbeat of the team, a team leader in all aspects, top 3 in the game today and dedicated as anybody out there.
 

Nightman

Capologist
Messages
27,121
Reaction score
24,038
Seattle won a super bowl paying a top 5 receiver salary and getting virtually nothing out of him. If you can win with that money going to waste, you can win with that money going to an elite gamebreaking talent.

Not only did they pay PHarvin, they also traded draft picks for the right to pay him. They also paid big money for SRice and ZMiller- TE and got nothing from them either.
 

viman96

Thread Killer
Messages
21,555
Reaction score
22,657
franchise Dez for the next two years and move on.....high priced receivers aren't the end all be all to winning championships, if they were, they would be leading their teams to Superbowls every year, but they aren't..

You can say that for EVERY position for any given year and it is not even debatable.
 

AzorAhai

Well-Known Member
Messages
6,511
Reaction score
8,901
Not only did they pay PHarvin, they also traded draft picks for the right to pay him. They also paid big money for SRice and ZMiller- TE and got nothing from them either.

NONSENSE! Seattle KNOWS you can't win with an elite WR. This is a proven fact!
 

The Natural

Well-Known Member
Messages
15,205
Reaction score
18,969
No one on the team works harder, nobody. All this cat does is play football. Time to reward him and make it Cowboys for life
 

JoeKing

Diehard
Messages
36,645
Reaction score
31,938
It seems pretty hypocritical to me....DeMarco Murray contributed far more to the success of this team. not only has he been their leading rusher over the past four seasons, he was also the team's 3rd leading receiver.

I believe that if Dez had been more reasonable, less selfish, the Cowboys could have kept DeMarco. That's how great seems win consistently, they have great players that realize they can make more money post career if they make the necessary sacrifices that lead to more winning.

If Tim Duncan tried to squeeze every penny out of the Spurs then they wouldn't have won a single championship because they never could have let their Big Three for ao Amy seasons.

The Cowboys Big Three, Romo, Bryant, Murray has been dissolved.

As a huge Spurs fan, I think you are wrong to compare Tim Duncan to other athletes... especially football players. Different sport, different management, different circumstances. TD is a special kind of player. BTW, if Kobe didn't squeeze every penny out of the Lakers, they wouldn't be bottom feeders in the league right now but I still don't blame that man for getting his money while he could.

Stop crying about DeMarco Murray's departure and blaming it on Dez being greedy. DeMarco was barely above average before last season and spent too much of his first 3 seasons injured. Last years running game was mostly a product of an improved O-line, not Murray. Murray, is not a special player.

The Cowboys big 3 as you describe them is just as well dissolved at the price that Murray was asking to keep it together. He'll be lucky to get half the yards this coming season that he got with the Cowboys O-line. As long as that O-line remains... anything is possible. The running game won't suffer due to Murray's absence.
 

Danger

Well-Known Member
Messages
1,757
Reaction score
945
Well Dez sure looks upset at getting tagged doesn't he.:rolleyes: Continuing to practice and improve in Texas heat and not pouting like so many here already had it set it their minds that he would do...
 

Jenky

Well-Known Member
Messages
5,671
Reaction score
4,252
Well Dez sure looks upset at getting tagged doesn't he.:rolleyes: Continuing to practice and improve in Texas heat and not pouting like so many here already had it set it their minds that he would do...

He is 100% dedicated to football. There's no doubt in my mind.
 

CowboyStar88

Well-Known Member
Messages
23,166
Reaction score
25,557
It seems pretty hypocritical to me....DeMarco Murray contributed far more to the success of this team. not only has he been their leading rusher over the past four seasons, he was also the team's 3rd leading receiver.

I believe that if Dez had been more reasonable, less selfish, the Cowboys could have kept DeMarco. That's how great seems win consistently, they have great players that realize they can make more money post career if they make the necessary sacrifices that lead to more winning.

If Tim Duncan tried to squeeze every penny out of the Spurs then they wouldn't have won a single championship because they never could have let their Big Three for ao Amy seasons.

The Cowboys Big Three, Romo, Bryant, Murray has been dissolved.

This post is a big epic fail. You might want to listen to Romo's interview today and realize he was willing to take a pay cut to keep Murray. The problem was Dallas places a slotted dollar figure on each position. Good job trying to paint Dez as not a team player and someone who doesn't want to win. You sir win the worst post of the day
 

xwalker

Well-Known Member
Messages
57,193
Reaction score
64,699
CowboysZone ULTIMATE Fan
You mean players get paid based on talent and expected future production based on that talent. Right?

Or else Murray gets more than McCoy for instance.
They have to demonstrate the talent.

Did I mention that they should offer Dez a 300M contract that is really only a 40M contract and that he would push his agent out of the way to sign it because he is a dummy?
 

plasticman

Well-Known Member
Messages
10,607
Reaction score
17,738
As a huge Spurs fan, I think you are wrong to compare Tim Duncan to other athletes... especially football players. Different sport, different management, different circumstances. TD is a special kind of player. BTW, if Kobe didn't squeeze every penny out of the Lakers, they wouldn't be bottom feeders in the league right now but I still don't blame that man for getting his money while he could.

Stop crying about DeMarco Murray's departure and blaming it on Dez being greedy. DeMarco was barely above average before last season and spent too much of his first 3 seasons injured. Last years running game was mostly a product of an improved O-line, not Murray. Murray, is not a special player.

The Cowboys big 3 as you describe them is just as well dissolved at the price that Murray was asking to keep it together. He'll be lucky to get half the yards this coming season that he got with the Cowboys O-line. As long as that O-line remains... anything is possible. The running game won't suffer due to Murray's absence.

Your response is more than fundamentally dishonest, it is flat out lazy.

If you are going to criticize another's position then your opinion means nothing without facts to back it up.

Such as:

"Average Demarco" smashed the Cowboy single game rushing record his very first start. That was in 2011. The majority of this "legendary" offensive line were college sophomores and juniors. Since the beginning of his first season as a pro only 3 other RB's with 800 or more carries have ran for more yards. Only one has as better average yards per carry.

"Barely Above Average Murray" ran for over 700 yards in his first 7 games as a pro. He averaged 6 yards a carry.

The following year the Cowboys started 5 offensive linemen that had never played their position for the Cowboys. they flip flopped their tackles and their interior 3 were brand new players. They were considered the worst offensive line in the NFL. They were so bad they were lethal. Every single Cowboy RB got hurt, in the end they started a veteran that had agreed to come out of retirement just for those few last games.

And yet,

Murray's 4.12 average yards per carry in 2012, was higher than 7 of Emmitt Smith's pro Bowl seasons. had he not been injured, all four of his seasons expanded to more than a thousand yards over 16 games.

Since the beginning of this century, 2000, only six other RB's have rushed for more yards.....and none of them have a higher average yards per carry. Murray's 4.7 average yards per carry in 2014 was the 2nd lowest of his 4 year career. In 2013 he averaged 5.2. in his rookie year he averaged 5.5. This prolific offensive line didn't even exist in our imaginations.

Meaning,

Even when you factor in his injuries and theorize that he will miss about three games a season he is still more productive than 95% of the starting NFL RB's that play an entire 16 games.
 

stilltheguru

Well-Known Member
Messages
15,453
Reaction score
14,359
As a huge Spurs fan, I think you are wrong to compare Tim Duncan to other athletes... especially football players. Different sport, different management, different circumstances. TD is a special kind of player. BTW, if Kobe didn't squeeze every penny out of the Lakers, they wouldn't be bottom feeders in the league right now but I still don't blame that man for getting his money while he could.

Stop crying about DeMarco Murray's departure and blaming it on Dez being greedy. DeMarco was barely above average before last season and spent too much of his first 3 seasons injured. Last years running game was mostly a product of an improved O-line, not Murray. Murray, is not a special player.

The Cowboys big 3 as you describe them is just as well dissolved at the price that Murray was asking to keep it together. He'll be lucky to get half the yards this coming season that he got with the Cowboys O-line. As long as that O-line remains... anything is possible. The running game won't suffer due to Murray's absence.

That guy compared 40 year old Duncan taking a pay cut to second contract Dez. Logic goes out of the window with these weird dudes.
 

AsthmaField

Outta bounds
Messages
26,489
Reaction score
44,544
This is simple to me. Yes some teams win championships without big-time WR's. Yes, economics are a big part of today's NFL. Yes, I'm glad Dallas is finally being frugal with its salary cap space.

But some players transcend all of that. Dez is one of those players. He will be a Cowboy for life. He is the engine that drives the offenses emotion and passion. He scares opposing defensive backs. I mean, truly worries the crap out of them.

He is a dominant player who is just learning what he can do to the league and he is going to get better and better.

He needs to be a Cowboy and stay a Cowboy... and he will. Any talk to the contrary is just that... talk.

Dez will help win a championship... not hurt the teams chances.
 

slick325

Well-Known Member
Messages
9,515
Reaction score
9,343
CowboysZone ULTIMATE Fan
Hope they pay him his money. I can see Dez skipping all non-mandatory offseason activities. Don't blame him if he chooses to do so and also won't be concerned about him when he does report. As this IG post shows, he is going to put the work in to be great at his craft. That work can be done outside of VR and the Dallas Cowboys too just like the video shows.

So hopefully Cowboys fans won't flip out when he isn't there for voluntary team activities and will still be pro-Dez. Somehow...I doubt it.
 

Spectre

Well-Known Member
Messages
2,748
Reaction score
522
He may very well get less money. Football I'd a violent game. Let's say he tears an Achilles. He still getting his money? Or no?

So you're in favor of your favorite football team paying a guy who will never play again because of an achilles tear a ton of money, over wisely paying him on a per-season basis while they can? Frustrated as the front office makes me at times, I sure am glad some of you aren't running it.
 

stilltheguru

Well-Known Member
Messages
15,453
Reaction score
14,359
So you're in favor of your favorite football team paying a guy who will never play again because of an achilles tear a ton of money, over wisely paying him on a per-season basis while they can? Frustrated as the front office makes me at times, I sure am glad some of you aren't running it.

Are you in favor of Dez making business decisions week 17 for an ailment that isn't immediately career threatening,but could shorten his career?
 
Top