Dez catch

[MyFairLady]

When you roll with Dez Bryant you are gonna lose in the end and the reason will be stupidity.

 

[SlammedZero]

People say well Rodgers would have just marched down the field any way - great let's see him do it and it's irrelevant to the above call.

I'm 100% with you here. Sure, we've seen Rodgers do it plenty of times (especially against the Cowboys), but we can only speculate he could have done it there too. Anything could have happened. A fumble, an interception, an actually defensive stop. We just don't know because we were robbed of that moment.

I don't care about "the rules" at the time. Dez grabbed the ball and came down with it. The NFL completely screwed the Cowboys. Jerry Jones should have been flipping over tables in his next NFL meeting.

 

[gtdRR]

1. Control
2. 2 feet down in bounds
3. Time to make a football move.

That’s the rules at the time of the catch.
By making two moves he demonstrated that the time aspect of the rule has been met.

Exactly, problem is they judged it "going to the ground" where you had to maintain control instead of "football move" where he was off balance but managed to cover 7 yards from the point of the catch and dive for the goal line.

Such a terrible reversal. Thanks for the bad memories OP! Lol

 

[DogFace]

He had to maintian control throughout the process, he did not, falling forward is not a football move...I said it before the play was even reviewed that it was going to be overturned per the NFL rule...

Calvin Johnson rule

Incorrect . Once he completed the 3 steps he became a runner by the rules.

 

[DogFace]

The rule at the time:
"Item 1: Player Going to the Ground. If a player goes to the ground in the act of catching a pass (with or without contact by an opponent), he must maintain control of the ball throughout the process of contacting the ground, whether in the field of play or the end zone. If he loses control of the ball, and the ball touches the ground before he regains control, the pass is incomplete. If he regains control prior to the ball touching the ground, the pass is complete."

Once he competes the 3 steps he became a runner.

Going to the ground doesn’t apply because he was no longer in the act. He competed the process and was then a runner.

There’s some good case videos (videos they use to teach refs) where Blandino himself contradicts his own later ruling. In this video the Giants (pretty sure) player was ruled to have competed the catch process even though he lost it once hitting
the ground.

It’s all in the old thread.

 

[The Quest for Six]

Incorrect . Once he completed the 3 steps he became a runner by the rules.

His momentum carrying him falling foward after running and jumping isn't a football move.....he didn't maintain control throughout the process of the catch......end of story!

 

[DogFace]

Once he moved the ball from above his head the process was over. Then he moved it from his shoulder and into one hand. This was another move. Then he reached. That was another move.

So the time factor was clearly satisfied.

 

[McKDaddy]

falling forward is not a football move.

well, before he turned up field he clearly brought the ball down & shifted into his right hand after catching it with both hands above his head. secondly, he didn't fall forward. he began to look down at the defender, pivot & try to step thru the defender & launched himself at the goal line. All of those are things one does after securing the catch.

 

[DogFace]

His momentum carrying him foward after running and jumping isn't a football move.....he didn't maintain control throughout the process of the catch......end of story!

Once he moved the ball from above his head to his shoulder the process was over. Then he moved it from his shoulder and into one hand. This was another move. Then he reached. That was another move.

So the time factor was clearly satisfied.

 

[MyFairLady]

A true winner never drops that pass. Jerry Rice, Irvin, guys like that would have squeezed that thing like the world depended on it. They would have had no other thoughts.

A dope like Dez waves it around like a picnic ham. He dropped it. You guys need to accept that he failed and move on with life.

 

[DogFace]

The case videos are in the old thread if anyone can dig it up. I can’t right now.

 

[Nova]

It was the correct call with the rules that were in place at that time.

/thread

It wasn't even the first time a similar call went against Dez. It happened against the Giants in 2013 or 2012, IIRC. I'll find the clip

 

[The Quest for Six]

Once he moved the ball from above his head to his shoulder the process was over. Then he moved it from his shoulder and into one hand. This was another move. Then he reached. That was another move.

So the time factor was clearly satisfied.

whining about it 8 years later doesn't change the fact that he didn't meet the standard of the rule at the time to be a completed catch...move on!

 

[McKDaddy]

If a player goes to the ground in the act of catching a pass

This is so simple. I don't know why it confuses so many folks. He went to the air, not the ground, to catch the pass therefore nothing about these requirements even apply. Upon landing with possession, he became a ball carrier and began to perform ball carrier actions.

The rule was put in for plays where receiver is diving, sliding, falling, etc.. It was never meant for plays where making the "catch" doesn't involve going to the ground.

 

[McKDaddy]

where Blandino himself contradicts his own later ruling.

This is the cherry on top. They admit it was the wrong application of a rule & changed the wording & training to align with the common sense most of us had all along.

 

[DogFace]

This is so simple. I don't know why it confuses so many folks. He went to the air, not the ground, to catch the pass therefore nothing about these requirements even apply. Upon landing with possession, he became a ball carrier and began to perform ball carrier actions.

The rule was put in for plays where receiver is diving, sliding, falling, etc.. It was never meant for plays where making the "catch" doesn't involve going to the ground.

This needs to be read again. Well put.

 

[The Natural]

Once he moved the ball from above his head the process was over. Then he moved it from his shoulder and into one hand. This was another move. Then he reached. That was another move.

So the time factor was clearly satisfied.

they know, they're just being obtuse

 

[DogFace]

whining about it 8 years later doesn't change the fact that he didn't meet the standard of the rule at the time to be a completed catch...move on!

Just stating the facts. It appears you are whining because we are discussing it. Feel free to abstain.

And the rules as stated weren’t applied correctly.

Control
Two feet
Time

Or if you want to partake tell me which of the 3 weren’t met.

 

[MarcusRock]

In any event, I haven't seen any clear and unequivocal footage of the ball touching the ground at any point -

This is the part that always bothered me the most, by far.

There is no camera angle that shows the ball actually touching the ground.

Ball on the ground and jarred loose. By the going to the ground rule at the time, that is what made the pass incomplete. He keeps the ball off the ground, he could have bobbled it all the way to the end zone and that would have been a catch. But this is what did him in.

 

[MarcusRock]

only if you think none of these things are football moves: 3 steps, switching the ball into one hand and reaching out for the goal line.

The going to the ground rule at the time overrides all these. 3 steps wasn't even part of the rule yet. The only thing Dez could have done to get out of the going to the ground rule is to "gather himself" according to the rule and execute a proper lunge. He tried but his foot slipped on his 3rd step so he continued to fall. Going to the ground means you're falling, not running upright, which are the rules you posted. Different situation for Dez which is why the GTTG rules applied.