Dez creating more separation this year

[GhostOfPelluer]

1. Dez has 58 targets.

Mike Evans has 58 targets. AJ Green has 57 targets. That's just the amount of targets a #1 WR gets. Saying that "he is nowhere near open" on a lot of those targets in an indictment of Dez's play.

2. And Dak is responsible for his share of those missed connections.

That's true of any QB/WR combo. Are you telling me that Dak is worse than Jameis Winston and Andy Dalton?

I'm saying that there were many times Dez was open and Dak missed him. As in threw it to him but was inaccurate with the pass. This stat doesn't take into account QB accuracy per target so it is incomplete when measuring Dez as a WR.

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

The analogy is in reference to his reply. I never used the number of targets to judge Dez. I used his percentage.

And the percentage is a poor measuring stick because it doesn't take into account outside factors.

 

[The Natural]

Stat geeks ruining the game. I know for a fact I need two hands to count the number of times an uncatchable ball has been thrown Dez way, or thrown away in the vicinity of Dez which still statistically qualifies as a "target". He only has 1 dropped pass on the year so clearly there's something beyond the numbers that you have to watch the games to see but these unathletic stat nerds don't want to tell you.

Franchise leader in TD receptions, from here on out that's the only stat I'm posting.

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

Besides, I'm comfortable saying Dez probably isn't on the same level of Evans and Green right now. Those guys are probably top-5 guys right now. Doesn't mean Dez is a bum. He's probably still top 10. Or at least in that discussion. That's pretty dang good.

 

[Kevinicus]

You can’t be this dumb.

I just showed you I'm not using targets (in a vacuum) to determine his quality of play.

I'm using his lack of production per target.

YOU ARE USING TARGETS. Every thing you are pointing to is using the number of targets to make a point. And you criticized me for reading comprehension? Really? It doesn't matter if you combined it with "Production per." You are still using targets in some way as a basis for your criticism.

And by vacuum I meant by not considering all the factors that go into a "target" and just using the number at face value.

 

[Hoofbite]

Just like how PFF can come out with ratings hours after a game.

That fact alone told me their stats were bogus. Graded every single play of every single player in every single game in less than a week? The coaches film doesn't even come out for a couple of days.

100% confident they outsourced their grading to random people on the internet who volunteered, which basically boils down to fans grading the teams they follow.

 

[Verdict]

How does this get measured?

Most likely by a Dez appologist!!!

 

[Verdict]

Cant be true. This site told me Dez sucks and gets no separation

As if he is wide open!!! Lol

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Don't it though? I mean, the entire hiring trend of every major sports team front office has apparently "missed it"...Money Ball was the biggest scam ever perpetrated in the history of sports!?! #OMG #SMH

Right? I prefer the eyeball test, recency bias and results over process school of thought myself.

 

[robbieruff]

Right? I prefer the eyeball test, recency bias and results over process school of thought myself.

Oh yeah. When it comes to critical decisions, gotta go with the tried and true!!!!

 

[CWR]

Mosher didn't say Dez is good at getting separation, he only said he has been better than last year.

He is ranked 97th in the NFL in this stat.

Not sure how meaningful this is, hes tied with Julio and Evans, and Ted Ginn is killing it.

 

[River82]

He only has 1 dropped pass on the year so clearly

Clearly inaccurate. He tipped one into the hands of an opponent earlier on in the year, and he dropped a pass just last week that hit him square in the groin...ish region. That's 2 without even trying. I don't know how next-gen calculate drops (it's not an official NFL stat so you have to look at the methodology) but it's clearly flawed.

 

[The Natural]

Clearly inaccurate. He tipped one into the hands of an opponent earlier on in the year, and he dropped a pass just last week that hit him square in the groin...ish region. That's 2 without even trying. I don't know how next-gen calculate drops (it's not an official NFL stat so you have to look at the methodology) but it's clearly flawed.

The "stats" said 1, so I'm saying 1.

 

[xwalker]

Butler's targets may be mostly deep shots but he tends to get the deep throws against single coverage and when he's beaten his CB. Very few pre planned deep shots that Dez gets where you're taking advantage of a coverage pre snap. You'd expect more of the balls in the first situation to be caught than balls in the 2nd situation. For self evident reasons.

Seems like a stretch.

 

[xwalker]

97th for this particular measurement. A measurement that, even if it were accurate, doesn't appear to say anything.

Dez Bryant = 2.3
Amari Cooper = 2.4
Antonio Brown = 2.8
Mike Evans = 2.3
Larry Fitzgerald = 2.8
Julio Jones = 2.3
AJ Green = 2.7
TY Hilton = 2.5
DeAndre Hopkins = 2.1
Doug Baldwin = 3.0
Demaryius Thomas = 2.0
Rob Gronkowski = 2.0
Brandin Cooks = 2.5
Emmanual Sanders = 2.7
Jordy Nelson = 2.5
Michael Crabtree = 2.5

That's pretty much a, "who's who", of receiving. The best ranks 26th. I don't think this stat says anything and it might be the most worthless stat I've seen. It doesn't even speak to outcomes. It's a measurement of happenstance.

There are plenty of reasons to both criticize and praise Dez. This stat isn't one I'd use in his, or in any WRs, favor.

I don't see it's even possible to measure it.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Seems like a stretch.

I mean it's true. Butler doesn't get a lot of balls thrown his way. When he does it's because he's won his matchup. Sample size matters.

 

[CowboyStar88]

This thread has my head spinning...

Never change CowboysZone... Never change

 

[Hoofbite]

I don't see it's even possible to measure it.

I guess you could estimate the distance by sight. If you really cared, I supposed you could screen shot the play and use photoshop to measure distances between hashmarks and base the player distances on that sort of standard, but I have no idea who would do that.

It's literally a garbage stat. PFF made a name for itself by inventing measurements nobody had really heard of. Some aren't so bad but others are garbage. Apparently people bought it, just like people bought into Florio's TMZ-style reporting. Now PFF is quoted on nationally broadcasted games and their, "information", is priced through the roof. Used to be like $30/year.

That site looks like it's a spinoff of other sites who are just trying to gain a foothold by throwing a bunch of numbers at the wall and seeing if anything sticks. It's kind of odd that it appears to be NFL-affiliated. I have no idea if they are, but they use the shield and their domains are pretty indicative of having some relationship of the league.

Hands down, the worst stat I have seen though. It says absolutely nothing.

 

[xwalker]

I guess you could estimate the distance by sight. If you really cared, I supposed you could screen shot the play and use photoshop to measure distances between hashmarks and base the player distances on that sort of standard, but I have no idea who would do that.

It's literally a garbage stat. PFF made a name for itself by inventing measurements nobody had really heard of. Some aren't so bad but others are garbage. Apparently people bought it, just like people bought into Florio's TMZ-style reporting. Now PFF is quoted on nationally broadcasted games and their, "information", is priced through the roof. Used to be like $30/year.

That site looks like it's a spinoff of other sites who are just trying to gain a foothold by throwing a bunch of numbers at the wall and seeing if anything sticks. It's kind of odd that it appears to be NFL-affiliated. I have no idea if they are, but they use the shield and their domains are pretty indicative of having some relationship of the league.

Hands down, the worst stat I have seen though. It says absolutely nothing.