Dez creating more separation this year

[CalPolyTechnique]

97th for this particular measurement. A measurement that, even if it were accurate, doesn't appear to say anything.

Dez Bryant = 2.3
Amari Cooper = 2.4
Antonio Brown = 2.8
Mike Evans = 2.3
Larry Fitzgerald = 2.8
Julio Jones = 2.3
AJ Green = 2.7
TY Hilton = 2.5
DeAndre Hopkins = 2.1
Doug Baldwin = 3.0
Demaryius Thomas = 2.0
Rob Gronkowski = 2.0
Brandin Cooks = 2.5
Emmanual Sanders = 2.7
Jordy Nelson = 2.5
Michael Crabtree = 2.5

That's pretty much a, "who's who", of receiving. The best ranks 26th. I don't think this stat says anything and it might be the most worthless stat I've seen. It doesn't even speak to outcomes. It's a measurement of happenstance.

There are plenty of reasons to both criticize and praise Dez. This stat isn't one I'd use in his, or in any WRs, favor.

Exactly.

Folks are crowing about a stat they couldn’t even explain “97th!!!! That’s not acceptable!”

 

[CyberB0b]

https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/receiving#average-separation

Let me know if we can fetch u anything else. A pillow maybe? An ottoman? Please. Don’t get up.

Hahaha. Still near the bottom of the league.

 

[erod]

Stats, in general, are meaningless and dumb. This has to be the dumbest stat ever invented.

"Average separation distance." Lol, good gosh.

Somewhere, PeeWee Herman, Gilbert Gottfried, and John Clayton obviously need something to do.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Stats, in general, are meaningless and dumb. This has to be the dumbest stat ever invented.

"Average separation distance." Lol, good gosh.

Somewhere, PeeWee Herman, Gilbert Gottfried, and John Clayton obviously need something to do.

Stats in general are meaningless and dumb?

This explains everything.

 

[robbieruff]

Hahaha. Still near the bottom of the league.

I found it interesting the other familiar names near Dez in the stack ranking...what did you think about some of the other names in that 2-to-2.5 range? Was sort of surprising...

 

[robbieruff]

Stats in general are meaningless and dumb?

This explains everything.

Don't it though? I mean, the entire hiring trend of every major sports team front office has apparently "missed it"...Money Ball was the biggest scam ever perpetrated in the history of sports!?! #OMG #SMH

 

[CF74]

He was injured so not much less would have been expected. They have got to figure out a rhythm and do more 7-12 yd crosses, slants, or just send him laterally more in general....

 

[JoeKing]

FAKE NEWS

Dez is still a poor route runner and hardly ever gets separation without pushing off. The overrating of this dude is astounding. I hope Norman is playing this weekend so Dez can prove me wrong... LOL, ain't happening.

 

[kumizi]

If you look at the number of targets he has and compare it with the production, it’s not a pretty picture. He’s actually been much worse than even his mediocre stats. 28 receptions on 58 targets is pretty pathetic. Most good WRs are around 60%. Dez is under 50%.

He’s still good enough to out physical the bad CBs in the league but there has been almost no development in his game. 7 yard slants and jump balls are all he has and those jump balls don’t work against good ball hawking corners like Janoris Jenkins.

 

[Kevinicus]

If you look at the number of targets he has and compare it with the production, it’s not a pretty picture. He’s actually been much worse than even his mediocre stats. 28 receptions on 58 targets is pretty pathetic.

He’s still good enough to out physical the bad CBs in the league but there has been almost no development in his game. 7 yard slants and jump balls are all he has and those jump balls don’t work against good ball hawking corners like Janoris Jenkins.

That's if you're foolish enough to look at targets as a quality stat for determining the quality of a WR. Particularly, if you do so in a vacuum.

 

[kumizi]

That's if you're foolish enough to look at targets as a quality stat for determining the quality of a WR. Particularly, if you do so in a vacuum.

Your reading comprehension is not very good. Nowhere did I even intimate that the number of targets determines the quality of a WR.

I pointed out that his production per target is amongst the worst.

 

[Kevinicus]

Your reading comprehension is not very good. Nowhere did I even intimate that the number of targets determines the quality of a WR.

I pointed out that his production per target is amongst the worst.

You said he "has been even worse than his mediocre stats" (This points to WR quality) and used targets as some of the evidence. So, that equals using targets as a stat for determining the quality of a WR, which is what I said...

I did not say it was the sole determiner.

 

[kumizi]

You said he "has been even worse than his mediocre stats" (This points to WR quality) and used targets as some of the evidence. So, that equals using targets as a stat for determining the quality of a WR, which is what I said...

I did not say it was the sole determiner.

I did not use 58 targets for evidence of his poor play.

I used 28 receptions in 58 targets as evidence of his poor play. That’s 48%

Good WRs like AJ Green, Demaryius Thomas, and Mike Evans are near 60%.

Julio Jones (who everyone keeps citing is having shootings year) is at 68%.

 

[Kevinicus]

I did not use 58 targets for evidence of his poor play.

I used 28 receptions in 58 targets as evidence of his poor play. That’s 48%
.

Hint: This is still using targets.

 

[kumizi]

That's if you're foolish enough to look at targets as a quality stat for determining the quality of a WR. Particularly, if you do so in a vacuum.

Hint: This is still using targets.

You can’t be this dumb.

I just showed you I'm not using targets (in a vacuum) to determine his quality of play.

I'm using his lack of production per target.

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

Yeah the percentage of targets thing is a poor stat. All you have to do is watch Cowboys games to understand that. They force feed Dez too much - even at times when he is nowhere near open. And Dak is responsible for his share of those missed connections - which that stat fails to take into consideration. Not all QB play is equal. Not all defenses played are equal. Not all coverages are equal. Not all offensive game plans are equal.

 

[kumizi]

This is like me saying a 48% free throw shooter is a bad free throw shooter and you replying with "you cannot look at the number of free throws taken as a quality stat for determining the quality of free throw shooting."

My mind is blown.

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

This is like me saying a 48% free throw shooter is a bad free throw shooter and you replying with "you cannot look at the number of free throws taken as a quality stat for determining the quality of free throw shooting."

My mind is blown.

Poor analogy. FTs don't have near the number of outside factors that targets/receptions do.

 

[kumizi]

Yeah the percentage of targets thing is a poor stat. All you have to do is watch Cowboys games to understand that. They force feed Dez too much - even at times when he is nowhere near open. And Dak is responsible for his share of those missed connections - which that stat fails to take into consideration. Not all QB play is equal. Not all defenses played are equal. Not all coverages are equal. Not all offensive game plans are equal.

1. Dez has 58 targets.

Mike Evans has 58 targets. AJ Green has 57 targets. That's just the amount of targets a #1 WR gets. Saying that "he is nowhere near open" on a lot of those targets in an indictment of Dez's play.

2. And Dak is responsible for his share of those missed connections.

That's true of any QB/WR combo. Are you telling me that Dak is worse than Jameis Winston and Andy Dalton?

 

[kumizi]

Poor analogy. FTs don't have near the number of outside factors that targets/receptions do.

The analogy is in reference to his reply. I never used the number of targets to judge Dez. I used his percentage.