Dez is a bigger problem than Dak

[CalPolyTechnique]

We have the dumbest fans in all of sports and a disproportionate amount of them are Dez haters.

Here’s a fun exercise, go back and look at Dak’s passing numbers versus Romo’s (in an equal number of his last starts) and then explain the difference.

 

[Verdict]

Braindead stupidity.

You’re simply dividing the numbers by seasons played and not accounting for the fact he’s been injured which impacts those averages.

And you want to give him a pass for not performing.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

And you want to give him a pass for not performing.

Don’t obsuscate little one.

Explain to all of us why you think simply dividing the numbers of seasons to determine what the supposed averages are is legit.

Go.

 

[Gameover]

We have the dumbest fans in all of sports and a disproportionate amount of them are Dez haters.

Here’s a fun exercise, go back and look at Dak’s passing numbers versus Romo’s (in an equal number of his last starts) and then explain the difference.

You're dumb as the fans you criticize if your holding a second year player to the standard of a seasoned veteran

 

[Gameover]

Dak to Wilt Chamberlain... or is that Dez Bryant

 

[Proof]

If you’re not throwing him back shoulder and hoping he’ll get open...he’s useless. He’s not worth 30% of his contract.

Dez deserves his fair share of criticism but you never go full ******

 

[TheCount]

Jerry, is that you? Dez and Witten have both seen better days, especially Witten. Both of their extensions have proven to be mistakes.

Clinging to knowns out of fear for the unknown isn't a recipe for success. So unless you think those guys are keys to a future title clinging to them out of fear will get you nowhere.

It's a practical question, which you didn't answer btw.

 

[TheFinisher]

Braindead stupidity.

You’re simply dividing the numbers by seasons played and not accounting for the fact he’s been injured which impacts those averages.

Of course Verdict is impressed.

Braindead stupidity? Lol. His inability to stay healthy is actually another argument against the justification of his pay. You know, being that you actually have to be on the field to help the club. I don't give a damn about his bad luck with injuries, production is the bottom line in this business. However you want to spin the excuses, it doesn't change the fact he doesn't produce.

And BTW, even if you break it down to a per game average over those years, it still hovers around 50 yards a game. Which when projected over a full 16 game season falls well short of a 1,000 yard campaign. In fact, I'll go further and tell you that even if you wanted to break it down on a yearly basis, not one of those seasons would have projected out to 1,000 yards had he managed to stay healthy for 16 games. Of course, when you stratify for targets, he's landed in the top 10 for all receivers for targets per game over that same time frame.

And this has all taken place during the prime of his career... just wait until age starts to become even more of a factor in his decline. But I'm the brain dead one, lol.

 

[TheFinisher]

Don’t obsuscate little one.

Explain to all of us why you think simply dividing the numbers of seasons to determine what the supposed averages are is legit.

Go.

Dividing the sum of yearly totals by the number of years is actually how you calculate yearly averages, or did you have another formula to do so?

 

[CowboyRoy]

Dez would drop it if Dez handed him the ball...

Dez would run the wrong route

 

[CT Dal Fan]

Aaron Rodgers does.. so it was all Dak last year?

Aaron Rodgers has bad receivers? I would take Jordy Nelson, Davante Adams, or Randall Cobb over Dez right now. No hesitation on my part.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

You're dumb as the fans you criticize if your holding a second year player to the standard of a seasoned veteran

And you’d be as dumb as expected if you think a second year QB doesn’t have a direct effect on Dez’s (or any receiver on the team) receiving numbers.

Which is it? Excuse Dak for being young and struggling in the passing game or blame Dez for not putting up better numbers?

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Dividing the sum of yearly totals by the number of years is actually how you calculate yearly averages, or did you have another formula to do so?

Looking at yearly numbers without accounting for games played in each of those seasons is ignorant. To then treat those numbers like they mean something is dim-witted.

But please, by all means continue; you’ve got an agenda to push and I’m keeping you from it.

 

[khiladi]

Aaron Rodgers has bad receivers? I would take Jordy Nelson, Davante Adams, or Randall Cobb over Dez right now. No hesitation on my part.

Have you seen Nelson’s numbers without Rodgers, meaning poor QB play?

 

[CT Dal Fan]

Have you seen Nelson’s numbers without Rodgers, meaning poor QB play? It’s worse than Dez..

Jordy Nelson is still an elite receiver. Brett Hundley is an awful QB. Cowboys fans upset with Dak Prescott should watch Hundley against the Saints a week or two ago.

 

[khiladi]

Jordy Nelson is still an elite receiver. Brett Hundley is an awful QB. Cowboys fans upset with Dak Prescott should watch Hundley against the Saints a week or two ago.

So the QB play...

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Braindead stupidity? Lol. His inability to stay healthy is actually another argument against the justification of his pay. You know, being that you actually have to be on the field to help the club. I don't give a damn about his bad luck with injuries, production is the bottom line in this business. However you want to spin the excuses, it doesn't change the fact he doesn't produce.

And BTW, even if you break it down to a per game average over those years, it still hovers around 50 yards a game. Which when projected over a full 16 game season falls well short of a 1,000 yard campaign. In fact, I'll go further and tell you that even if you wanted to break it down on a yearly basis, not one of those seasons would have projected out to 1,000 yards had he managed to stay healthy for 16 games. Of course, when you stratify for targets, he's landed in the top 10 for all receivers for targets per game over that same time frame.

And this has all taken place during the prime of his career... just wait until age starts to become even more of a factor in his decline. But I'm the brain dead one, lol.

You’re talking out your arse and out of context.

Don’t just help yourself to the facts, show the numbers. What years are you talking about?

In 2015, he's playing on half a leg and comes back from injury to still in 9 games with the likes of Matt Cassell, Brandon Weeden and Kellen Moore. All of whom combined for a paltry...

61.6% comp. percentage
11 TD/15 INTs
75.7 QB rating

"Buh, buh, I don't care...he still shoulda put up 1,000 yards!"

Of course you don’t want to talk about injuries because it only adds context. And when you’ve got an agenda to push, who has time for objectivity?

 

[garyo1954]

And you’d be as dumb as expected if you think a second year QB doesn’t have a direct effect on Dez’s (or any receiver on the team) receiving numbers.

Which is it? Excuse Dak for being young and struggling in the passing game or blame Dez for not putting up better numbers?

Look across the board at this group of receivers and tight ends and see that every one of them is averaging the lowest yards per catch of their careers. The exception is Butler, averaging 20.5 yard per catch, but 13 receptions over 11 games isn't enough to tell the whole story.

It isn't the receivers fault Dak throws shorter routes.
It isn't the coaches fault Dak checks down (throwing 85% of his passes within 20 yards of the line of scrimmage).
It also doesn't help he's only hitting 41% of his passes between 11 and 20 yards.
Nor does it help on 3rd down, needing 3 to 8 yard, he's only hitting 57% with a yards per attempt of 5.64.

Looking at that, I'm betting growing pains of a young QB is the right answer.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Look across the board at this group of receivers and tight ends and see that every one of them is averaging the lowest yards per catch of their careers. The exception is Butler, averaging 20.5 yard per catch, but 13 receptions over 11 games isn't enough to tell the whole story.

It isn't the receivers fault Dak throws shorter routes.
It isn't the coaches fault Dak checks down (throwing 85% of his passes within 20 yards of the line of scrimmage).
It also doesn't help he's only hitting 41% of his passes between 11 and 20 yards.
Nor does it help on 3rd down, needing 3 to 8 yard, he's only hitting 57% with a yards per attempt of 5.64.

Looking at that, I'm betting growing pains of a young QB is the right answer.

Absolutely agree.

100%

Then we're talking past each other. My comment is for those that simply want to look at Dez's numbers with no context and in a vacuum (i.e. no consideration to our current offense scheme, injuries, Romo > Prescott in terms of polished passer at this point). So when some of the malcontents on here simply post Dez's recent stats, they do so in sincere stupidity at best, or at worst in total intellectual dishonesty (ignoring context).

None of these posters are creating threads about Beasley, Witten or T-Will's meager stats, but for some reason they like to treat Dez like he should be hitting on all cylinders when none of the other receivers are.

 

[Gameover]

And you’d be as dumb as expected if you think a second year QB doesn’t have a direct effect on Dez’s (or any receiver on the team) receiving numbers.

Which is it? Excuse Dak for being young and struggling in the passing game or blame Dez for not putting up better numbers?

I'm actually torn. I believe it's a little of both. He doesn't have trouble going deep to Butler. And how good is Dez if you have to throw it to a certain spot? Saying that, Dak's throws were all over the place to Dez the first 4 games of the season. I'm torn

Dez last 5 games w Romo including the playoffs in 2014:

3-48
3-38
5-48
5-40+
2-26

Jerry Rice would slice his wrist over those numbers