Dez is a bigger problem than Dak

[DC Cowboy]

Please tell me about those great WRs that did anything once they were playing without Aaron Rodgers...

Let me ask you this, is Jordy Nelson better than Dez? Adams better than T-Will? Cobb better than Butler?

 

[khiladi]

Just playing devils advocate here.

How many plays have our WR’s made without Demarco Murray or Zeke pulling the safeties into the box to create more space for them?

We were a top five yardage offense without a running game and Romo as QB and a garbage OC. We sucked in the red-zone because Garrett had no running game and was bottom in the league in play action passing.

None of which is equivalent to what Dak has here.. our passing gamd now is predicated off play action.

 

[dragon_mikal]

Let me ask you this, is Jordy Nelson better than Dez?

He would disapear if he was playing in this offense. You can't produce if your QB doesn't see you.

 

[khiladi]

Let me ask you this, is Jordy Nelson better than Dez?

His numbers since Rodgers went out are way worse than Dez on a bad day..

Are you saying Dez wouldn’t perform with Aaron Rodgers as a QB, particular with all the slants they run? As well as back shoulder throws Rodgers does as well as how good he is throwing deep?

 

[DC Cowboy]

His numbers since Rodgers went out are way worse than Dez on a bad day..

is he a better WR?

 

[panchucko]

No he isn't. The QB is the most important position on the field. How he plays effects the whole team.

Dez isn't the problem on offense. You put a QB who can place the ball where it needs to be placed and he's back to being a pro bowl receiver. Dak's ball placement and general accuracy on anything over 10 yards is atrocious.

I thought Romo took a couple of stabs at Dak yesterday, they were catches by the Chargers, Romo said the guy is covered but the qb has to put it where the reciever can get it. Both times it was about theback shoulder pass, i even said it to they guys watching the game with me

 

[khiladi]

is he a better WR?

You tell me.. why is Jordy Nelson sucking up the joint since Rodgers went down?

 

[dragon_mikal]

I thought Romo took a couple of stabs at Dak yesterday, they were catches by the Chargers, Romo said the guy is covered but the qb has to put it where the reciever can get it. Both times it was about theback shoulder pass, i even said it to they guys watching the game with me

Not surprised. I firmly believe Romo feels he should still be the QB of this team and seeing how inept the offense looked yesterday had to have him seething. You can tell he's still invested in this team.

 

[khiladi]

To add, by the end of the Garrett OC era, we were basically throwing like 80% on FIRST DOWN. We basically went up-tempo, hurry up because Garrett had no answer..

Trying to compare Dak with Linehan an OL and RUnning game with what Romo was working with is a total insult to Romo..

 

[mcmvp]

I thought Romo took a couple of stabs at Dak yesterday, they were catches by the Chargers, Romo said the guy is covered but the qb has to put it where the reciever can get it. Both times it was about theback shoulder pass, i even said it to they guys watching the game with me

I thought Romo was extremely kind to Dak...all things considered.

 

[Verdict]

So what happens if Zeek gets hurt next year and is out for 10 games?

Its going to happen occasionally. I would have drafted a RB high this past draft because it is the one thing we cannot do without in this offense.

 

[Verdict]

The problem isn't one or the other, it's both. Dez is and always has been a very limited receiver. Now that he doesn't have Tony throwing to him, and he's lost a couple steps from age and injuries, he's very average. Dez has always been a bad route runner, and his inability to separate from DB's means that Dak is hesitant to throw him the ball.

Dak is very inaccurate on deep passes, fades, and back shoulder throws, so he doesn't fit in with Dez's strengths.

Dez doesn't have strengths anymore. He is just a dud.

 

[mattjames2010]

Uh huh.

Yes, the signs were there when he led us to a 12-4 record and won Rookie of the Year and put up record numbers along the way.

Look, he’s sucking right now. Absolutely. But don’t be so obtuse to claim that’s he’s sucked all along. Numbers prove that you are wrong, and your ‘signs were there all along’ BS is little more than your bias reinforcing itself

Season record means nothing when discussing individual play, and that's not raw statistics.

I pointed out his lack of arm strength, making bad reads at the line, shoddy footwork - I said this would all catch up to him, and it has.

There is really little to debate at this point. The guy sucks.

 

[pansophy]

Dez and Witten are cap eaters who really bring nothing to the party. I would play all the young guys to see what they have going forward.

Witten (and Beasley) are doubled and Dak doesn't throw to the outside WRs well. When Dak can start to make the throws to the outside most of the offensive problems go away.

 

[khiladi]

I thought Romo was extremely kind to Dak...all things considered.

I think his comments were more so a defense of Dez than an attack on Dak..

 

[Sepia]

I want to see Rico out there. If he hasn't become skittish due to the injury, he appears to have great hands. He's massive enough to be a problem for defenders to cover. I was hoping we could use him the last half of the season to introduce a new weapon.

 

[Verdict]

Witten (and Beasley) are doubled and Dak doesn't throw to the outside WRs well. When Dak can start to make the throws to the outside most of the offensive problems go away.

Witten can't even get deep enough to move the chains anymore. He isn't a great blocker anymore either. He is smart but you have to be more than just smart to get the kind of money he is making.

We have a team full of misfits at receiver. Dez can't get open, or stay focused, or even catch balls anymore. Witten can't block or get deep. TWill can't cab th the ball with his hands. Beasley is great but he can't play outside.

You can live with a guy who can't do something well but you can't have a full receiving corps who you have to do something special for in order for them to get their job done.

Zeke is the only skill position player that doesn't fall into that category and without him it exposes our receiving corps for the dumpster fire it is.

Beasley is the only one of them that should feel safe right now. If we are going to keep this group of receivers intact you had better find a 1b running back to pair with Zeke, which is what I was saying all offseason.

You can't have a team dependent as much as we are at the RB position and take pot luck with your backup.

Speaking of backups, I would find me a damn good college QB to place behind Dak later in the draft (unless Mayfield falls to us). Get an athletic guy as your backup who can do something based on athletic ability in the back up role instead of trying to find two Troy Aikmans. One is impossible to find and yet teams want two??? You have to find a way to make due with what you can get, not what you want to find.

 

[khiladi]

I want to see Rico out there. If he hasn't become skittish due to the injury, he appears to have great hands. He's massive enough to be a problem for defenders to cover. I was hoping we could use him the last half of the season to introduce a new weapon.

We have no threat down the seams with Witten. It’s comical to me that people bring up Dez’s speed but not him. Dak doesn’t see the WHOLE field well and a TE down the seams is his best bet to restore his confidence and open up the passing IMO.

 

[LocimusPrime]

Romo made Laurent, Austin, and crayon into millionaires.

 

[perrykemp]

Let me ask you this, is Jordy Nelson better than Dez? Adams better than T-Will? Cobb better than Butler?

Jordy and Dez are both in serious decline.

Adams is one of the top 5 WR2s in the league at this point.

Cobb has also declined but is probably a better overall WR than Beasley/Butler.