Dez vs Calvin vs AJ

[HappyOnions]

I was reading a Bleacher Report article that ranked the top 50 WRs... and they had Dez at number 15!! lol I almost put my head through my monitor when I saw that

But I got...
1. Calvin
2. Green
3. Dez
4. Julio
5. Gordon

Gotta say...I can't put Julio and Gordon in the top tier of receivers. Saying Julio belongs there just based on his sheer athleticism ( you didn't say this but it's been used as an argument in his favor) is all speculation at this point. It's like saying RGIII is a top QB because of his athleticism.

Again, why no love for Brandon Marshall? He's everything that Dez should and hopefully will be at some point in his career. Since his rookie year, he racked up 7 straight 1000+ yard seasons and 5 of those were 100+ catch seasons as well.

 

[Nova]

I take Fitzgerald over Gordon. in 2012 he had probably the worst QB situation in the league. and palmer is nothing to write home about at this point in his career.

Gordon had a great year last year, but he also went against some cruddy defenses in his division, as opposed to playing 4 games against Seattle and SF.

You think Fitz was in a worse QB situation than Gordon?

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

You think Fitz was in a worse QB situation than Gordon?

2 years ago? yes.... weeden is better than kolb and anybody else they had.

 

[Nova]

2 years ago? yes.... weeden is better than kolb and anybody else they had.

I don't know about that. But even still, Carson Palmer is better than a combination of Brian Hoyer, Brandon Weeden, and Jason Campbell.

Gordon produced with all three and averaged 117 yards per game. He didn't play a full season and got over the 1600 yard 10 td mark with garbage QBs.

Fitz? 59 yards a game. Not even 1000 yard season and not even the leading receiver on his own team-- Floyd barely beats him.

 

[Nova]

Gotta say...I can't put Julio and Gordon in the top tier of receivers. Saying Julio belongs there just based on his sheer athleticism ( you didn't say this but it's been used as an argument in his favor) is all speculation at this point. It's like saying RGIII is a top QB because of his athleticism.

Again, why no love for Brandon Marshall? He's everything that Dez should and hopefully will be at some point in his career. Since his rookie year, he racked up 7 straight 1000+ yard seasons and 5 of those were 100+ catch seasons as well.

Yeah, he's the 2nd most athletically gifted in the league at 6'3" 229 with legit 4.3 speed, but he's also put up some pretty good numbers.

He was the league leader before he got hurt, averaging 116 yards per game for the 1st 5 weeks. He looked like the best receiver in the league. Would he have kept up that pace? Unlikely, but I still think he's easily on the same level as Dez.

Seriously, we all love Dez. We all think he's top tier, and rightfully so. But Julio is Dez but faster with and a more polished game. He doesn't quite have the ball skills, but he's no slouch in that regard either.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I don't know about that. But even still, Carson Palmer is better than a combination of Brian Hoyer, Brandon Weeden, and Jason Campbell.

Gordon produced with all three and averaged 117 yards per game. He didn't play a full season and got over the 1600 yard 10 td mark with garbage QBs.

Fitz? 59 yards a game. Not even 1000 yard season and not even the leading receiver on his own team-- Floyd barely beats him.

one year wonder? ready to put him in the league top 10 based on one year performance?

 

[Nova]

one year wonder? ready to put him in the league top 10 based on one year performance?

Was Dez a top 10 guy after last year? He was in the same boat that Gordon is in now... only he had Romo throwing to him and he was on pace to break Jerry Rice's old single season record, had he played the entire season.

Alshon Jeffrey is a one year wonder so far. I don't think the same applies to Gordon, who was receiving the type of coverage you see guys like Green and Bryant get toward the end of the year. He held up just fine.

His game is pretty good. Tall, strong kid, great vertical threat, can catch and run, solid route runner. He was able to beat the double team a bit better than Bryant was last year.

 

[Nova]

Actually, scratch what I said about Gordon's double teams. Got him confused with Green for a minute. I watched their film the same day and I'm remembering things incorrectly.

Looked at my notes, and Gordon didn't see much, if any double teams. So yeah, I'd probably knock him down a few spots but not many. I still would say he's better than Fitzgerald at this point in their careers.

 

[Jenky]

Ugh, delete post.

 

[perrykemp]

one year wonder? ready to put him in the league top 10 based on one year performance?

He had a good rookie year too.

Just 300 yards total after two seasons behind Randy Moss's pace.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Was Dez a top 10 guy after last year? He was in the same boat that Gordon is in now... only he had Romo throwing to him and he was on pace to break Jerry Rice's old single season record, had he played the entire season.

Alshon Jeffrey is a one year wonder so far. I don't think the same applies to Gordon, who was receiving the type of coverage you see guys like Green and Bryant get toward the end of the year. He held up just fine.

His game is pretty good. Tall, strong kid, great vertical threat, can catch and run, solid route runner. He was able to beat the double team a bit better than Bryant was last year.

I normally don't like to anoint anyone after one year. it has to have happened for at least two years in a row. otherwise we would put victor cruz on there after 2011. put Brandon Lloyd on there after 2010, and miles Austin after 2009.

I like to see consistent performance being a top 5 WR for at least two year if not three before getting anointed....so as parcells use to say, lets put the anointing oil away...

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

He had a good rookie year too.

Just 300 yards total after two seasons behind Randy Moss's pace.

too many years (over a decade) to cross and compare. he was 40th in total yards, and in the 70s in the total catches in his rookie year. not bad, but nothing great. we have all seen better.Randy moss was 3rd in receiving and 16th in total catches as a rookie. its a passing league so the game is a little different. receiving stats will pile up quickly.

 

[Nova]

too many years (over a decade) to cross and compare. he was 40th in total yards, and in the 70s in the total catches in his rookie year. not bad, but nothing great. we have all seen better.Randy moss was 3rd in receiving and 16th in total catches as a rookie. its a passing league so the game is a little different. receiving stats will pile up quickly.

True. But he's also got more yards in his first two seasons than all current top 10 receivers.

He's only behind Rice, Moss, and Groman/Hennigan who played in the 60s. But he actually averaged more yards per game than Rice (but less than Bullet Bob).

It's skewed by his 2nd year, but 805 yards his rookie year is still impressive.

But to each their own.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

True. But he's also got more yards in his first two seasons than all current top 10 receivers.

He's only behind Rice, Moss, and Groman/Hennigan who played in the 60s. But he actually averaged more yards per game than Rice (but less than Bullet Bob).

It's skewed by his 2nd year, but 805 yards his rookie year is still impressive.

But to each their own.

not saying he is not good, but impressive is relative. he was 40th in the league that year. again, its a passing league so the averages, #catches, etc. is expected to be higher. randy moss was third in receiving in his rookie year.

he is trending up. if he has another good year, then he is definitely in the conversation. for now he is in a room next to the elite WRs

 

[jamesdojr]

If Dez was forced the ball like AJ and Calvin, Dez would be hands down #1 receiver in the league. Calvin's QB knows when Calvin looks covered, he's really not. When our QB realizes this, Dez will be better and so will the team.

Dez best WR in football!!!! And I'm not homing on this. And yes, I've watched them all three play. Dez is electric.

1. Dez
2. Calvin
3. AJ
4. Julio


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1. CJ
2a. Dez
2b. Green

 

[Vintage]

If Dez was forced the ball like AJ and Calvin, Dez would be hands down #1 receiver in the league. Calvin's QB knows when Calvin looks covered, he's really not. When our QB realizes this, Dez will be better and so will the team.

Dez best WR in football!!!! And I'm not homing on this. And yes, I've watched them all three play. Dez is electric.

1. Dez
2. Calvin
3. AJ
4. Julio


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Lol. Funny stuff.

 

[Wood]

If Dez was forced the ball like AJ and Calvin, Dez would be hands down #1 receiver in the league. Calvin's QB knows when Calvin looks covered, he's really not. When our QB realizes this, Dez will be better and so will the team.

Dez best WR in football!!!! And I'm not homing on this. And yes, I've watched them all three play. Dez is electric.

1. Dez
2. Calvin
3. AJ
4. Julio


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go back and watch CJ against Dallas last year. It was most dominant performance I have ever seen at WR and I have been watching pro football 30+ years. I have never seen Dez even remotely take over a game like that. CJ is 6'5" made out of silk. Dez will never match his skill set but I do think Dez can be very very effective especially in red zone.

 

[cml750]

I believe it all depends on the health of Romo. If Romo is not what he used to be then Dez will not even be in the discussion. If Romo is healthy Dez will rack up some really good stats. Having Garrett out of the offense can't hurt either!!

 

[ABQcowboyJR]

Megatron>AJ>Dez

I think Dez is creeping up and can eclipse AJ this season but has yet to do so. AJ is a much better deep ball receiver right now.

 

[ABQcowboyJR]

Let's see if Josh Gordon can sustain his success past this season. There have been so many receivers who have had great years and then fizzled out shortly thereafter (Peerless Price, Mark Carrier, Michael Clayton, Brett Perriman, David Boston, Robert Brooks, Javon Walker, etc.)

Calvin is # 1 without question.

#2 is up for grabs with guys like Brandon Marshall, Bryant, AJ Green, Andre Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, Demaryius Thomas, Julio Jones

The 3rd tier of guys IMO, are guys like Victor Cruz, Desean Jackson, Jordy Nelson, Randall Cobb, Alshon Jeffery, Antonio Brown etc. I think Josh Gordon fits in with these guys as we currently speak.

Good post, I agree here. To me though Fitz is #2 no question. I would have said Andre and have in the past but I think father time might have finally caught up with him.