DFW-Gosselin: It's surprising the Cowboys neglected their two biggest needs

[Rockport]

The problem with that theory is reality.
The SB champs the past decade have averaged a very mediocre 15th place. PFF numbers.
GB in 2010 was fairly bad. Giants in 2011 were terrible. Balt in 2012 was medicore.
Not a standout group amongst that bunch.

In fact the much maligned Dallas OL outperformed 2 of those SB champ teams.

That's simple fact.

Whether it was Bress or Rodgers to any of their 5 WRs, Manning to Cruz and Nicks, Flacco to Torrey Smith teams that win figure out a way to score with long passing plays. Lots of times on short drops.

Rebuilding an OL takes time and teams that TRULY commit to it like the 49ers or Browns collect a lot of high draft picks during that process.

That goes to show you how meaningless that stat is.

 

[Rockport]

please dont play dumb with me as an argument tactic.
it is a waste of time for both of us.

the ravens ran for about 80 yards, we ran for 225 or so.

romo even passed for more yardage.

we gave up a 108 yard kick off return and found a way to lose.

Don't play dumb with me either. The Cowboys ranked 31st in rushing last year. You pick out one game and declare that's all that's needed to support your argument? That's ridiculous.

 

[Ren]

Because drafting for need is a recipe for disaster.

The opposite seems to ring true in our case last 3 seasons 6-10 8-8 8-8, that's what our obsession with value has gotten us and it's for the most part been pretty consistent what areas of our team has held us back during those seasons, it's not like we addressed one thing and another held us back our line play has been horrible throughout this stretch.
If we go 8-8 again this year i guess we can all smile about that 2nd TE and 3rd WR sitting on the bench and how much smarter we where then the rest of the league for getting them

 

[Ren]

They aren't luxury pieces, and that's what you failed to understand. Look at the top offenses in the nfl, and you see they are dynamic with multiple options. We had three options, Dez, Miles, and Jason. That's why you end up getting yards but not points. You give Romo even the slightest skill in an extra option and he has one of his best years ever (laurent robinson).

Special talents? You think every player is going to be a pro bowler. They were drafted in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. The same people were saying that Sean Lee and Bruce Carter weren't good draft picks, and weren't special. Now they're the cornerstone of our defense...

You give Romo descent blocking and he'll be even better our backup TE can't even do that, he'll ride the bench this year and next years draft there will be 3-5 more guys just like him. People seem to think we have ages to turn this around, we don't Romo has tops 3 good years left in him if we keep trying to build for the future while at the same time competing we'll keep having 8-8 seasons. Back up TE and 3rd WR was not bigger needs then OL and DL, those are the positions that will hold us back this year while Willams and Escobar rides the bench.

And if you wanna talk value drafts just go look up the ultimate value draft where we kept trading down for value in 09, how did drafting a backup kicker workout? we're not smarter then everyone else and we're not a 12-4 team with bad luck that doesn't have needs. We have major needs and if we keep ignoring them we're not going to get any better

 

[Toruk_Makto]

The opposite seems to ring true in our case last 3 seasons 6-10 8-8 8-8, that's what our obsession with value has gotten us and it's for the most part been pretty consistent what areas of our team has held us back during those seasons, it's not like we addressed one thing and another held us back our line play has been horrible throughout this stretch.
If we go 8-8 again this year i guess we can all smile about that 2nd TE and 3rd WR sitting on the bench and how much smarter we where then the rest of the league for getting them

Our last 3 drafts have been about restocking the talent pool, getting younger and getting more talented. Mission accomplished.

 

[Galian Beast]

You give Romo descent blocking and he'll be even better our backup TE can't even do that, he'll ride the bench this year and next years draft there will be 3-5 more guys just like him. People seem to think we have ages to turn this around, we don't Romo has tops 3 good years left in him if we keep trying to build for the future while at the same time competing we'll keep having 8-8 seasons. Back up TE and 3rd WR was not bigger needs then OL and DL, those are the positions that will hold us back this year while Willams and Escobar rides the bench.

And if you wanna talk value drafts just go look up the ultimate value draft where we kept trading down for value in 09, how did drafting a backup kicker workout? we're not smarter then everyone else and we're not a 12-4 team with bad luck that doesn't have needs. We have major needs and if we keep ignoring them we're not going to get any better

Both Escobar and Williams will be getting starting rate snaps. Thanks for playing though.

 

[Ren]

Both Escobar and Williams will be getting starting rate snaps. Thanks for playing though.

And both Hannah and Harris could have done the same job in Hannas case probably better, Williams looks to raw to expect much from this year

 

[Mansta54]

I don't care what Gosselin or Fraley think, about anything.

Well said!!

 

[Risen Star]

The opposite seems to ring true in our case last 3 seasons 6-10 8-8 8-8, that's what our obsession with value has gotten us and it's for the most part been pretty consistent what areas of our team has held us back during those seasons, it's not like we addressed one thing and another held us back our line play has been horrible throughout this stretch.
If we go 8-8 again this year i guess we can all smile about that 2nd TE and 3rd WR sitting on the bench and how much smarter we where then the rest of the league for getting them

Drafting BPA is the only way to go. If you're doing that and not improving the team the problem isn't in the philosophy it's in the scouting.

 

[dargonking999]

Drafting BPA is the only way to go. If you're doing that and not improving the team the problem isn't in the philosophy it's in the scouting.

Sometimes, you can speak righteous truth.

 

[Risen Star]

Sometimes, you can speak righteous truth.

I consider you one of my closest friends.

 

[Iago33]

Drafting BPA is the only way to go. If you're doing that and not improving the team the problem isn't in the philosophy it's in the scouting.

Yet you were against the drafting of Escobar because he was a tight end?

 

[Risen Star]

Yet you were against the drafting of Escobar because he was a tight end?

No. Because I didn't think he was the BPA and the real value there was at a position of great need.

 

[dargonking999]

Yet you were against the drafting of Escobar because he was a tight end?

No he was against drafting him because he thought there were better players on the board that would have helped our team just as much or more. I feel like escobar was a need pick more than a BPA pick. They wanted to move to a 12 system, saw that a highly rated TE was still out there, and went for it, rather than draft BPA. Does it mean it was a bad pick? only time will tell

 

[Risen Star]

No he was against drafting him because he thought there were better players on the board that would have helped our team just as much or more. I feel like escobar was a need pick more than a BPA pick. They wanted to move to a 12 system, saw that a highly rated TE was still out there, and went for it, rather than draft BPA. Does it mean it was a bad pick? only time will tell

Fasano and Bennett also soured me on the pick. We've tried featuring 2 TEs before and it's never really panned out.

 

[visionary]

Yet you were against the drafting of Escobar because he was a tight end?

When a team and FO don't know how to evaluate talent they will have players ranked in the wrong place . Using our board to justify our picks when we have a history of poor drafting is just window dressing

 

[dargonking999]

Fasano and Bennett also soured me on the pick. We've tried featuring 2 TEs before and it's never really panned out.

Well in fairness, Fasano was a god awful reach, that we gave up on too early, and Bennett was just a headcase that we thought we could reign in and failed miserably. But they say third time is the charm? lol

 

[Galian Beast]

We have not tried the 12 formation like we are trying it now. We are tied to it. We no longer even have a fullback on the roster.

Hanna is not as good as people think he is. People are in love with his measurables, but he has yet to put it together on the field.

 

[jterrell]

The opposite seems to ring true in our case last 3 seasons 6-10 8-8 8-8, that's what our obsession with value has gotten us and it's for the most part been pretty consistent what areas of our team has held us back during those seasons, it's not like we addressed one thing and another held us back our line play has been horrible throughout this stretch.
If we go 8-8 again this year i guess we can all smile about that 2nd TE and 3rd WR sitting on the bench and how much smarter we where then the rest of the league for getting them

When we drafted Dez, Sean Lee and Bruce Carter for value there were plenty of tears.
Then they actually played. Feel free to knock them now if you like.

I would have never touched a TE in round 2 but with the way the NFL is going it does make sense.
Especially when there wasn't any value for OL/DL sitting there.

The thought you draft for need and immediately become great is as much a stretch as one can make.

You get value out of the draft for 5 years and then you can win big regularly.
We got nothing out of some drafts not long ago and that is what hurts us.

Dallas absolutely factors need and position in to their drafting.
They don't just blindly reach for the next ranked player at a position of need though.
No team is that stupid.

 

[jterrell]

When a team and FO don't know how to evaluate talent they will have players ranked in the wrong place . Using our board to justify our picks when we have a history of poor drafting is just window dressing

thats about as poor logically as an argument can get.

dallas can ONLY judge itself based off it's board. Its the only board they have come draft day.
that is the ONLY justification for picks that matters.

dallas has actually proven quite a strong evaluator of talent in recent years.
feel free to lie to yourself if it makes you feel better, but it isnt going to win any arguments.

i wish we could get all you guys together to cry on each others shoulders.
just get a good cleansing cry before, you know, game 1....