Did anyone else hear Adam S on NFLN tonight?

[AbeBeta]

What I love about this thread is that folks would be screaming bloody freaking murder if the shoe was on the other foot and someone reportedly was communicating with member of the Cowboy's staff. Imagine, right after a SB loss and possibly through another coordinator (Ron Turner) before the game. This board would be going nuts.

Those of you who are arguing that this is not wrong, you put those other shoes on and tell me if you'd still think the same thing. If you insist that you stand by your arguments that Jerry/Norv aren't doing anything wrong then you are likely lying.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Seeing that Turner is under contract with the 49ers this whole argument is stupid.

just wanted to reiterate this point. If he is not under contract with Dallas and he goes and talks to him about being his DC then he is acting as an agent for himself and there is no other way to prove it.

Even if the discussion turned to I am a leader in getting the Dallas job and I would like for you to be my DC then you still wouldnt get anywhere because as hes not under contract the Cowboys are not responsible for his actions.

the only way you have a legal point is if Jerry has a secret deal under the table and he has norv acting on his behalf cladestinely in order to circumvent ther rules.

Now while this is the scenario that I do actually think is going on I still do not see any possibility of this getting out. even if rivera were to raise the alarm they would have needed to let rivera know about the secret deal for it to go anywhere otherwise turner could just say hes feeling out a staff on the contingency that he gets hired.

 

[theogt]

just wanted to reiterate this point. If he is not under contract with Dallas and he goes and talks to him about being his DC then he is acting as an agent for himself and there is no other way to prove it.

Even if the discussion turned to I am a leader in getting the Dallas job and I would like for you to be my DC then you still wouldnt get anywhere because as hes not under contract the Cowboys are not responsible for his actions.

the only way you have a legal point is if Jerry has a secret deal under the table and he has norv acting on his behalf cladestinely in order to circumvent ther rules.

Now while this is the scenario that I do actually think is going on I still do not see any possibility of this getting out. even if rivera were to raise the alarm they would have needed to let rivera know about the secret deal for it to go anywhere otherwise turner could just say hes feeling out a staff on the contingency that he gets hired.

It certainly looks suspicious. Jerry meeting with Norv (who is the front-runner for HC) at the Super Bowl. Norv meeting with Ron (who Norv wants as DC) at the Super Bowl.

2 + 2?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

It certainly looks suspicious. Jerry meeting with Norv (who is the front-runner for HC) at the Super Bowl. Norv meeting with Ron (who Norv wants as DC).

2 + 2?

nah i agree wholeheartedly that something is going on behind the scenes. jerry and norv hanging out a lot and rivera making comments like he knows something.

i mean yesterday when he went out of his way to say that he was only here to talk about the HC position im sitting there thinking legal wrangling.

while agree that in truth there is tampering going on i also believe its tampering that the bears could never prove unless the FO acts like a bunch of idiot OR rivera gets mad and goes to the league office.

failing that chicago can get as mad as they want and it amounts to nothing.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Like a bunch of 5 year olds arguing over a toy.
Norv can talk to anyone he wants as long as no one overhears him asking Rivera if he wants to be the DC of the Cowboys. END OF STORY.

the Cowboys can't even get in trouble for that, it would have to be traced back to Jerry Jones

that would be a bit hard to do

 

[Bob Sacamano]

It certainly looks suspicious. Jerry meeting with Norv (who is the front-runner for HC) at the Super Bowl. Norv meeting with Ron (who Norv wants as DC) at the Super Bowl.

2 + 2?

and Merriman gained 30 pounds in about 2 months, still keeping 4.6 speed

put 2 and 2 together, but he doesn't get suspended for steroids until he actually tests positive

 

[Skin]

What I love about this thread is that folks would be screaming bloody freaking murder if the shoe was on the other foot and someone reportedly was communicating with member of the Cowboy's staff. Imagine, right after a SB loss and possibly through another coordinator (Ron Turner) before the game. This board would be going nuts.

Those of you who are arguing that this is not wrong, you put those other shoes on and tell me if you'd still think the same thing. If you insist that you stand by your arguments that Jerry/Norv aren't doing anything wrong then you are likely lying.

I wouldn't be mad at the other team, I'd be mad at the Ron Rivera if he was distracted by such conversations. If the guy can't set aside his self interest for a week and avoid distractions, I don't know that I want him as coach. Are you saying that poor Ron didn't have the ability to tell Norv, sorry I can't talk I'm drawing up plans to stop Peyton? I didn't exactly see the guy putting his head coaching desires on the backburner during the lead up to the SuperBowl.

 

[AbeBeta]

I wouldn't be mad at the other team, I'd be mad at the Ron Rivera if he was distracted by such conversations. If the guy can't set aside his self interest for a week and avoid distractions, I don't know that I want him as coach. Are you saying that poor Ron didn't have the ability to tell Norv, sorry I can't talk I'm drawing up plans to stop Peyton? I didn't exactly see the guy putting his head coaching desires on the backburner during the lead up to the SuperBowl.

And this is exactly why the rule exists -- so that Assistants aren't put in this sort of situation.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

What I love about this thread is that folks would be screaming bloody freaking murder if the shoe was on the other foot and someone reportedly was communicating with member of the Cowboy's staff. Imagine, right after a SB loss and possibly through another coordinator (Ron Turner) before the game. This board would be going nuts.

Those of you who are arguing that this is not wrong, you put those other shoes on and tell me if you'd still think the same thing. If you insist that you stand by your arguments that Jerry/Norv aren't doing anything wrong then you are likely lying.

dude, what are you talking about? there has been no evidence of Jerry working behind the scenes using Turner as a go-between

it is wrong if Jerry is doing it, but a coincidence, doesn't make it so

 

[Skin]

And this is exactly why the rule exists -- so that Assistants aren't put in this sort of situation.

I guess we'll bet busted for Wade Phillips current activities since it is reported that he is contacting other coaches in the event he gets the Dallas HC gig?

Don't think so.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I guess we'll bet busted for Wade Phillips current activities since it is reported that he is contacting other coaches in the event he gets the Dallas HC gig?

Don't think so.

:laugh2:

 

[AbeBeta]

I guess we'll bet busted for Wade Phillips current activities since it is reported that he is contacting other coaches in the event he gets the Dallas HC gig?

Don't think so.

Is he contacting guys who are still in that 2 week exclusive negotiating period? Unless he's talking to someone on the Colts or Bears' staff then he can talk all he wants.

 

[Rack]

Again, it clearly violates the spirit of the rule -- and frankly, if the commish wants to do something about it, you'd likely see many of the owners support it.

Ok it violates the "Spirit" of the rule.

I'd like to see Goodell try and do something to JJ/Cowboys for Norv violating the "Spirit" of the rule. With Norv NOT employed by the cowboys all that would happen is JJ would turn around and sue the NFL for a billion dollars. And you KNOW it would happen. He's already sued for 700 million before.

No way in hell would Goodell be able to administer and kind of punishment to the Cowboys.

 

[AbeBeta]

No way in hell would Goodell be able to administer and kind of punishment to the Cowboys.

Really? No way the commish -- the most powerful guy in the league could do that? Take the blinders off Rack. Jerry is yanking the commish's chain here and it could end up hurting the team. You really think if Jerry sues that Norv and Rivera are going to lie for him under oath?

 

[Rack]

Really? No way the commish -- the most powerful guy in the league could do that? Take the blinders off Rack. Jerry is yanking the commish's chain here and it could end up hurting the team. You really think if Jerry sues that Norv and Rivera are going to lie for him under oath?

I have no blinders on. You tell me how he could get away with punishing the Cowboys because a 49ers OC talked to Ron Rivera. Please, explain.


"Most powerful" or not, he can't legally do anything to the cowboys cuz of something a 49er coach did. And even if he DID do it cuz JJ asked him to, Goodell wouldn't be able to do ANYTHING w/o proof that Norv acted under JJ's orders. Period.

 

[AbeBeta]

"Most powerful" or not, he can't legally do anything to the cowboys cuz of something a 49er coach did. And even if he DID do it cuz JJ asked him to, Goodell wouldn't be able to do ANYTHING w/o proof that Norv acted under JJ's orders. Period.

you are putting me to sleep Rack.

the commish can "legally" make any decision he wants to. if the bulk of the owners support his actions then there is no recourse other than your suing the league fantasy.

 

[the big 88]

Isn't Ron Turner Norv's brother? Could he have just been there to support his brother and talk to Rivera while there?

Yes he is and yeah that's a definite possibility as to why he was there..

 

[Rack]

you are putting me to sleep Rack.

the commish can "legally" make any decision he wants to. if the bulk of the owners support his actions then there is no recourse other than your suing the league fantasy.

Yes, just cuz Goodell is the commish he can "make any decision he wants to".


FYI, the commissioner doesn't "Rule" the NFL, he SERVES the NFL. Ok? He's not the freakin' Don. He doesn't do what he wants. He can't punish a team cuz he wants to, he has to have a reason AND PROOF.

That's the truth and if the truth puts you to sleep, you should go take a nap and wake up never.