Did anyone else hear Adam S on NFLN tonight?

[Hunter71]

I'm NOT saying Turner can't talk to Rivera...

Turner CAN'T talk to Rivera about coming to the Cowboys IF in fact that's what happened...

 

[Beast_from_East]

Another strawman slain.

Like I said, get back to me when you have some proof. That kinda matters in situations like this.

 

[Beast_from_East]

I'm NOT saying Turner can't talk to Rivera...

Turner CAN'T talk to Rivera about coming to the Cowboys IF in fact that's what happened...

And unless you have a recording of what was said, it will stay between Turner and Rivera and I highly doubt they would ever admit to such a conversation, even if it did happen.

So unless Rivera or Turner squeel to the commish, no tampering charges could stick.

 

[Hunter71]

That's NOT the point...

We're debating IF there is a case here or not ASSUMING Turner did talk to Rivera about the job...

 

[Bob Sacamano]

That's NOT the point...

We're debating IF there is a case here or not ASSUMING Turner did talk to Rivera about the job...

there is no case unless Norv was acting under Jerry's orders, if that were the case, then yes, it's tampering, is it the case though? can't say really

 

[Hunter71]

there is no case unless Norv was acting under Jerry's orders, if that were the case, then yes, it's tampering, is it the case though? can't say really

Exactly...

 

[theogt]

In summary,

Beast_from_East: "You have no evidence that tampering happened, therefore it didn't happen."

summerisfunner: "There is no case of tampering unless Norv was tampering."

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Exactly...

then why the hell was there this big argument? lol

 

[Hunter71]

then why the hell was there this big argument? lol

I have no idea...

 

[AbeBeta]

Nothing is being violated. The Bears have 3 weeks to work out a new extension. During this time, Rivera cannot SIGN WITH ANOTHER TEAM.

Tampering is a very serious issue and the fine is usually draft picks. There must be concrete evidence that A MEMBER OF THE ORGANIZATION CONTACTED THE COACH IN QUESTION.

Last time I checked, Norv was the Offensive Coordinator of the 49ers, maybe the Bears need to file tampering charges against the 49ers???


Jerry has said that the tampering rules are very specific and that a team could "lose an opportunity" if the rules were violated. This taken with the fact Rivera himself said he has not been contacted by anybody in the Cowboys organization and that he found out about the interview from his wife in a cell phone call.

No tampering, end of story.

Technically no. A violation of the spirit of the rule -- yes. And you know that is true. Stop boring us with the letter of the law -- that isn't how Goodell rolls -- he has shown he's not taking any guff - he certainly won't tolerate people working around rules - if this story is true then Jerry may get nailed.

 

[DizzG]

A violation of the spirit of the rule -- yes. And you know that is true.

no we dont know that is true. You are taking a report that claims Turner was seen with Rivera that may or may NOT even be true and acting like its a violation just based on that. A LOT more would have to be known before it makes sense to say even some "spirit of the rule" was broken. there is nothing to even suggest that at this point

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

Why would Rivera make a lateral move? And why would Chicago let him? I don't see him coming here for anything other than HC.

Money talks and everything well you know the rest..... I would make the lateral move for a couple a mil a year, it's not rocket science buddy.

 

[AbeBeta]

no we dont know that is true. You are taking a report that claims Turner was seen with Rivera that may or may NOT even be true and acting like its a violation just based on that. A LOT more would have to be known before it makes sense to say even some "spirit of the rule" was broken. there is nothing to even suggest that at this point

Obviously if it isn't true it doesn't violate the spirit of the rule. I was talking about it IF it were true -- and if it was then Jerry might be putting the team in danger of a serious penalty. This new commish, he isn't going to screw around.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Technically no. A violation of the spirit of the rule -- yes. And you know that is true. Stop boring us with the letter of the law -- that isn't how Goodell rolls -- he has shown he's not taking any guff - he certainly won't tolerate people working around rules - if this story is true then Jerry may get nailed.

So you know how the commish rolls now, gotcha.

Dont mean to bore you with letter of law, just when accustions of tampering are being mentioned which would include loss of draft picks, it is kinda important. I highly doubt the commish could fine a team draft picks for violating "the spirit of a rule".

If you are so worried about violating a spirit of a rule, why dont you bring up to the commish how Washington evades the cap every year and still signs every freaking free agent each year. Are they breaking the letter of the law by moving monies around, no. Is this a violation of your "spirt of the rule", yes.

Kinda like when teams cant negotiate with free agents unitl midnight of free agency date, but at 12:01 somebody signs a faxed over contract. Like there was never any contact before midnight.............please dont be naive about the NFL, every freaking team violates "the spirit of one rule or another".

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Seeing that Turner is under contract with the 49ers this whole argument is stupid.

 

[Rack]

Obviously if it isn't true it doesn't violate the spirit of the rule. I was talking about it IF it were true -- and if it was then Jerry might be putting the team in danger of a serious penalty. This new commish, he isn't going to screw around.

Why would JJ get into any trouble? He isn't Norv's boss and Norv isn't employed by the Dallas Cowboys. The OC for the 49ers went to talk to Ron Rivera (no one knows if it's even true or what they talked about even if it is true)... how can JJ get in trouble for that?

 

[Ratmatt]

Why would Rivera make a lateral move? And why would Chicago let him? I don't see him coming here for anything other than HC.

He would make a lateral move because Jerry would pay him more money than the cheap *** bears.Plus he is running Lovie Smith's defense in chicago,in dallas he would be on his own.Chicago can't stop him,his contract is up.

 

[Sarge]

then they should have wrapped up the guy with a contract extension before now, and they wouldnt have to worry about it

they can be mad at only themselves

David

My guess is they probably tried to, but Rivera wanted to see what was out there - as he should.

 

[sago1]

Don't understand why we continue to see the same thing posted over and over again without regard for the fact that clarification is frequently given by others in this forum but seemingly either isn't accepted or the reader doesn't bother reading pertinent points.

So here goes:

1. Norv Turner's brother is Ron Turner whose the OC for the Bears. Norv was in Miami to support his brother in the SB just like Ron Turner attended Cowboy SBs in the 90s to support Norv. Additionally it was Aikman who stated he asked Turner to attend HOF PC cause he knew Irvin would like Norv to be there -- not Jerry Jones. It certainly no surprise Norv sitting near JJ cause the room isn't that large; don't forget Jason Garrett also there, as was Aikman & former OL Cowboy coach Houk (?). Remember all these former Cowboys were part of 90s dynasty.

NFL rules forbid other NFL teams from talking to a SB team one week prior to the SB, but it doesn't prevent someone like Norv from talking to Riveria whose someone Norv has probably talked to several times over the last 3 years cause Norv knows Riveria well because of his brother Ron's Bear position.

Jones has been conspicuously careful NOT to talk to Riveria and Caldwell until he got approval from both teams after SB was over. The NFL coaching fraternity is very small and all these guys knew each other fairly well. The fact that Norv Turner's brother is also OL OC for the Bears ensures Norv knows the Bear coaches very well. Adams comment that Norv talked with Riveria Friday nite probably means squat due to lack of detail by Adams. You all making assumptions they talked about Cowboys with whom Norv Turner still has no official connection. Maybe (and I'm not naive guy) Norv simply wishing Riveria good luck while he probably visiting Bears hotel to also support/wish his brother well.

Let's bring some reality into this situation. There's no reason for either Norv (if he turners out to be our new H/C) or Jones to step out of line cause they can't do anything about hiring Riveria until afterwards. They already know Riveria interested in H/C job because he has publicly stated it--which is his right. We gain nothing by making any kind of overtures which traceable back to Cowboys in any way.

So let's put a lid on this whole subject of whether somehow Norv actually talking to Riveria about Cowboy job. Again there no need for Norv (or even Jones) to push this subject about Riveria possibily coming here cause Riveria publicly stated he interested in H/C job and even a lateral move which Riveria can do since his contract with Bears is over except they can keep him tied down until Feb 20.

 

[dbair1967]

I'm NOT saying Turner can't talk to Rivera...

Turner CAN'T talk to Rivera about coming to the Cowboys IF in fact that's what happened...

sure he can...there's nothing that doewsnt allow that...niether one of them are employed by the Cowboys right now anyway...right now they are two friends discussing future opportunities

you people need to relax

David