Did Brady and Gronk just prove Bill is human?

[JJHLH1]

You could put tom landry on the browns and he'd be 61-72 too. Thats not exactly a fair metric.

What about the 3 years Belichick had in New England without Brady? Bill failed to win the division or make the playoffs all 3 years. And the 2008 team was loaded (they were 16-0 the year before with Brady).

And a good coach should be able to turn around a bad team if he’s given 5 years to do so, like Belichick had in Cleveland. Isn’t that the hallmark of a good coach?

It only took Brady one year to turn around Tampa Bay, and they are the losingest franchise in all of pro sports. And that’s despite being new to the system and not having a preseason to work out the kinks.

 

[65fastback2plus2]

What about the 3 years Belichick had in New England without Brady? Bill failed to win the division or make the playoffs all 3 years. And the 2008 team was loaded (they were 16-0 the year before with Brady).

And a good coach should be able to turn around a bad team if he’s given 5 years to do so. Isn’t that the hallmark of a good coach?

It only took Brady one year to turn around Tampa Bay, and they are the losingest franchise in all of pro sports.

11-5 with Matt Cassel

Matt Cassel. You know, the 7th round pick that went nowhere in his football career because he wasnt any good?

 

[JJHLH1]

11-5 with Matt Cassel

Matt Cassel. You know, the 7th round pick that went nowhere in his football career because he wasnt any good?

Matt Cassel failed to win his division or even make the playoffs that year despite inheriting a team that went 16-0 the prior season.

 

[65fastback2plus2]

Matt Cassel failed to win his division or even make the playoffs that year despite inheriting a team that went 16-0 the prior season.

If you told me switching from tom brady to matt cassel was only a difference of 5 wins, I would laughed you out of the room

 

[JJHLH1]

If you told me switching from tom brady to matt cassel was only a difference of 5 wins, I would laughed you out of the room

It’s the difference between going to the Super Bowl and not making the playoffs, which is huge.

 

[65fastback2plus2]

It’s the difference between going to the Super Bowl and not making the playoffs, which is huge.

oh come on. you're acting like 98% of the time 11-5 doesnt make the playoffs.

 

[Flamma]

Clutch doesnt lose to Eli twice and some cast off eagles backup. And those patriots teams vs. the giants were some of the most talented and brady likely at his peak.

But youre correct, seeing Bill with another top tier QB is what will tell the tale.

Anytime you have a close game you can point at one or two plays that can change the outcome. For example, against the Giants first time. That fluke play by Eli. But not only that, the dropped INT on the previous play. If either one doesn't break for the Giants then the Patriots win with Brady having done nothing differently.

Giants #2. All Wes Welker has to do is catch the ball and the game is over. Was it Welker? I forgot who dropped the ball at the end there. So when games come down to that it's hard to say if someone is clutch or not based on the actions of someone else for a play or two. To go 7 out of 10 in SBs isn't bad. Getting there through the playoffs is half the battle.

 

[Pape]

Brady is the best. He brings a work ethic unparalleled to whatever he's doing. That drive propelled New England to 6 Super Bowl Championships amid 9 appearances. And its no secret that that is exactly what he brought to Tampa Bay. You could see it in that team as the season progressed. An undisciplined team at the beginning, the Bucs put it all together to win it all. And over that period of time, you started seeing more and more of the Brady offense in Tampa. Two of the three TDs were 100% New England plays.

Thats the effect Brady has on his teams. Its why he is the best. Its why its not surprising that he was able to accomplish what he has done in his career. One or two titles, you can write that off to luck... Three? Four? you are pretty good... But 10 appearances and 7 victories? If you can't admit it, you are just being willfully obtuse...

What Bill Belichick has brought to the table in New England is solid coaching, player accountability, a team ethos that had been lacking... Add to that a front office methodology that has allowed the organization to succeed over a twenty year period amongst free agency and salary caps...

Love me some Brady, and will never say a bad word about him. He never should been allowed to leave and wear another teams jersey.
Love me some Belichick... In Bill I Trust...

Bill has some work to do this off season. Hopefully New England will have a good off season, and put themselves in a position to compete in what has suddenly become a difficult division. After 20 years of ineptitude, Buffalo and Miami have finally hit it in terms of coaches and personnel. Gonna be a fun ride in the AFCE once again.

 

[Kevinicus]

Brady just proved...again...how great he truly is.
and i still say belichick is a great coach.

Did he? Brady wasn't what was special.

Tampa is a loaded team. Tons of offensive weapons, and a very good D that gets after the QB.

Yes, they have a good QB too, but there is so much more than him.

 

[DoctorChicken]

There’s nothing wrong with saying they’re both the respective GOATs.

Belichick was running his offense this year with the ghost of Cam Newton, and their best WR is 34 years old. Once they get a competent QB and some weapons, I’m sure they’ll be fine. I can envision the Patriots taking Mac Jones in the first and being back in the playoffs next year.

 

[cowboyec]

Did he? Brady wasn't what was special.

Tampa is a loaded team. Tons of offensive weapons, and a very good D that gets after the QB.

Yes, they have a good QB too, but there is so much more than him.

i've never said their defense wasn't awesome.
it is.
especially those 2 LBs.
but specific about Brady....going to his 10th super bowl and winning his 7th....beating drew brees,aaron rodgers and patrick mahomes...yes....he proved how great he truly is.
it takes more than just a awesome defense to sweep that trio.
Brady had more than a little to do with it.

 

[joseephuss]

If Tom stayed in New England this season and Bill moved to Tampa, neither team would have won the SB. Brady would have improved the Pats, but there wasn't enough around that team to be a playoff team this year. The Bucs maybe still make the playoffs depending on which QB they landed, but probably aren't going to the SB.

 

[Kevinicus]

i've never said their defense wasn't awesome.
it is.
especially those 2 LBs.
but specific about Brady....going to his 10th super bowl and winning his 7th....beating drew brees,aaron rodgers and patrick mahomes...yes....he proved how great he truly is.
it takes more than just a awesome defense to sweep that trio.
Brady had more than a little to do with it.

That's the thing. *HE* didn't beat Brees, Rodgers, and Mahomes. His team did. His defense destroyed the Saints and Chiefs. His defense also bailed him out after 3 INTs against GB.

Team, Team, Team.

He's the QB, so of course he played a role, but he was not by any stretch great, or even all that good during the playoffs. The SB was definitely his best game, but it was very efficient, not stellar.

Compare the 4 pressures Brady faced to the 29 Mahomes delt with, and it says a lot about the game and how it is about the TEAM.

 

[cowboyec]

That's the thing. *HE* didn't beat Brees, Rodgers, and Mahomes. His team did. His defense destroyed the Saints and Chiefs. His defense also bailed him out after 3 INTs against GB.

Team, Team, Team.

He's the QB, so of course he played a role, but he was not by any stretch great, or even all that good during the playoffs. The SB was definitely his best game, but it was very efficient, not stellar.

Compare the 4 pressures Brady faced to the 29 Mahomes delt with, and it says a lot about the game and how it is about the TEAM.

tampa doesn't win the super bowl w/out TB12.
he just won his 7th super bowl.
by any measure...thats historicly great.

 

[joseephuss]

tampa doesn't win the super bowl w/out TB12.
he just won his 7th super bowl.
by any measure...thats historicly great.

Of course it is historically great and exactly right, the Bucs needed a great QB to win it all. They couldn't make the playoffs last year with a bad QB. Brady didn't win any of those SBs by himself, but obviously those teams don't win without him.

 

[Kevinicus]

tampa doesn't win the super bowl w/out TB12.
he just won his 7th super bowl.
by any measure...thats historicly great.

That depends on who replaces him. Rodgers? Mahomes? Brees? Allen? And so on?

It's not like Brady has just been dominant in the post season or SBs. His team, particularly defenses, have done well.

Correlation is not causation.

 

[cowboyec]

That depends on who replaces him. Rodgers? Mahomes? Brees? Allen? And so on?

It's not like Brady has just been dominant in the post season or SBs. His team, particularly defenses, have done well.

Correlation is not causation.

he has played extremely well.
in his 20s.
in his 30s.
in his 40s.
he's beaten all those QBs you just named.
his 7th super bowl just confirmed his historical awesomeness.

 

[Kevinicus]

he has played extremely well.
in his 20s.
in his 30s.
in his 40s.
he's beaten all those QBs you just named.
his 7th super bowl just confirmed his historical awesomeness.

*Sigh*

QBs don't beat other QBs. That's not how this works.

And he has had a lot of stinkers in the playoffs...in games his team won. Sometimes he plays well. Sometimes he doesn't. Just like this year.

His AFC/NFC Championship games are particularly underwhelming.

 

[cowboyec]

*Sigh*

QBs don't beat other QBs. That's not how this works.

And he has had a lot of stinkers in the playoffs...in games his team won. Sometimes he plays well. Sometimes he doesn't. Just like this year.

His AFC/NFC Championship games are particularly underwhelming.

who cares.
he won.
thats all that matters.
thats how QBs are judged.
not by yards or touchdowns.
but by wins.
and particularly...championships.
thats how this works.
thats how this has always worked.
whether players.
coaches.
or teams.
offenses.
defenses.
they are judged by one standard.
WINS.
and particularly...CHAMPIONSHIPS.
if you don't like that...watch cartoons or something.
Brady just won his 7th super bowl.
that is historicly awesome.

 

[Ranched]

And he has had a lot of stinkers in the playoffs...in games his team won. Sometimes he plays well. Sometimes he doesn't. Just like this year.

So true. Brady seems to have the Midas Touch when needed. What are the odds of Brees tossing 3 picks vs Tampa? Brady didn't play well in that game.

KC shouldn't have gone either. It was Henne who ran that ridiculous 3rd & 14 for a first down to seal the game vs Buffalo.