Did Dallas miss out? Giants sign OL Shawn Andrews

[hawklegion]

I still say he is fat, makes Holland look like a ballerina.

 

[Stash]

It is not an excuse...it is a fact.

Paying someone to play for you is not losing nothing if he does not pan out.

I know you might not like that, but it is a fact.

Do us all a favor and let us know what money the Giants lose if Andrews doesn't pan out. If he's not healthy, physically or otherwise, he doesn't make the team's roster and won't receive any salary.

Now I don't have a problem with the low risk, high reward mantra. Just not someone saying you lose nothing...when you very well do lose something if they don't pan out. You lose money, time and a roster spot even if you take into account you lose some JAG like McQ, it could also mean he was going to be gone anyway and some other player you wanted to keep on the team instead of chancing on the PS would stay.

'Nothing' isn't meant to be taken literally.

Sorry I just don't see the need to give the giants credit for signing a player that has been out of football for two years with a bad back and mental issues. We can agree to disagree on that point. What we can not agree to disagree on is the idea that it costs them nothing to sign him when facts say otherwise.

Heck it may turn out to be the best decision and FA pickup they have had in years and he returns to pro bowl form or even better he is a All Pro player...but that still does not take away from the fact that it cost them nothing...unless he is playing for free and they don't lose another player.

I agree with Alexander that I think that if somehow Dallas had made this move, it will be getting a lot more praise.

 

[superpunk]

Andrews got overrated to Larry Allen circa 2005 status after Madden drooled over him once or twice, he was really never that good, and we probably are aware of that. It's entirely possible that we simply thought our fat tubs of goo, as bad as they might be, are better than his fat tub of goo. The Giants may have had no other options. Keep in mind Parcells and Sparano are also intimately acquainted with and aware of his abilities, and they passed on him in favor of someone who will be joining the AARP soon.

 

[Death Star]

Bingo. Right on the money. this is why i have a real problem with Jerry as our GM. im not even saying it would have worked out. but it was worth a look.

Well, with this situation he's on par with the 30 other GMs in the NFL that didn't sign Andrews halfway into preseason, and you can be sure that just about every team in this league has at least one McQuistan on their roster.

But I'm sure you'd make a better GM than the 31 professional GMs that didn't sign this sack, so you might want to start faxing that resume out.

 

[sbark]

And manic depressive. Put them together and he'd make a perfect mother-in-law.

on that note.....I hope he doesnt have PMS the Sunday we play them.......he could be nasty

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Do us all a favor and let us know what money the Giants lose if Andrews doesn't pan out. If he's not healthy, physically or otherwise, he doesn't make the team's roster and won't receive any salary.

You mean he does not get paid in pre-season or any practice or any signing bonus?

'Nothing' isn't meant to be taken literally.

That seems to be the problem here. Miscommunication as I was being specific and you were not. No problem, it happens on message boards all the time.

I agree with Alexander that I think that if somehow Dallas had made this move, it will be getting a lot more praise.

I personally would not care for the move, but I am sure both you and alexander are right about others...take TO for example...most people hated him until he was a cowboy. I never cared for him and wished he was never signed.

 

[Stash]

Andrews got overrated to Larry Allen circa 2005 status after Madden drooled over him once or twice, he was really never that good, and we probably are aware of that. It's entirely possible that we simply thought our fat tubs of goo, as bad as they might be, are better than his fat tub of goo. The Giants may have had no other options. Keep in mind Parcells and Sparano are also intimately acquainted with and aware of his abilities, and they passed on him in favor of someone who will be joining the AARP soon.

I would agree that he was overrated, but he did have a few quality seasons.

As for Parcells and Sparano, I don't think they've been doing a great job with free agent linemen down in Miami.

Jake Grove and Justin Smiley spring to mind as recent misses.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I still say he is fat, makes Holland look like a ballerina.

 

[Stash]

You mean he does not get paid in pre-season or any practice or any signing bonus?

It's doubtful that he got a signing bonus and any salary isn't guaranteed unless he's on the opening day roster. If he got any money up front, it's likely very little. The Giants just did the same with linebacker Keith Bullock. If he doesn't make the team, they're out about $150,000.00. A pittance to an NFL franchise. Andrews likely signed a similar 'prove it' deal.

That seems to be the problem here. Miscommunication as I was being specific and you were not. No problem, it happens on message boards all the time.

I'd rather argue over issues rather than semantics.

I personally would not care for the move, but I am sure both you and alexander are right about others...take TO for example...most people hated him until he was a cowboy. I never cared for him and wished he was never signed.

That's cool. I can respect that. Me I'm from the "leave no stone unturned" school of thought. I've seen too many examples of one's team's trash being another team's treasure.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

How could Jerry NOT sign him? There must be some mistake.

I mean, he went to Arkansas.

 

[NeonNinja]

How could Jerry NOT sign him? There must be some mistake.

I mean, he went to Arkansas.

:laugh2:

 

[supafly]

Moreover, they had even less of an incentive to bring him aboard.

Their line is relatively healthy compared to the Cowboys. They are not missing two starters. Snee has a tweaked knee, but as far as I am aware, he's not scheduled to miss much time.

Putting it this way, I doubt there would be nearly as much dismissal of the move if the Cowboys were the ones kicking Andrews' tires. This thread would be filled with "low risk-high reward!" fist-pumping.

I wouldnt be surprised if they snatched him up to keep him from getting picked up by the Cowboys.

 

[hawklegion]

I wouldnt be surprised if they snatched him up to keep him from getting picked up by the Cowboys.

I wouldn't be suprised if they snatched him up to single handedly keep the Krispy Creme doughnut empire in New York City afloat.

 

[Beast_from_East]

You guys in here are slaying me.


Some of yall are drooling over the Giants signing some stiff that hasnt played hardly any in 2 seasons. To quote Micky Spagnola, "If he is so good, why was he available???"

As valuable as o-line is in this league, why is this "27 yr old probolwer" unemployed half way through the freaking preseason??? Apparently 31 other teams didnt think he was worth bringing in for even a freaking tryout.

Some of you guys in here need to get your resumes together, apparently yall know more than the GMs of 31 of the 32 teams in the league. You are wasting your talent.

 

[dbair1967]

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-yorkgia...ews?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

The New York Giants signed former Eagles guard Shawn Andrews in the middle of the night, approximately at 1:45 a.m.

The team waived offensive lineman Cliff Louis. The move is intriguing considering if Andrews is healthy, he is a former two-time Pro Bowler. Andrews has not played since 2008 when he played for just two games before a back injury pretty much wiped out nearly two whole seasons.

Andrews' signing makes one wonder about the status of guard Chris Snee, who has missed several practices with a sore knee. Head coach Tom Coughlin said Snee was on his way back soon. The team's other starting guard, Rich Seubert, missed time earlier in camp with a broken bone in his hand but it is believed that he should be ready to play in the season opener.

The Giants, who close camp in Albany today with a light walk-through practice, have been using William Beatty at left tackle and their normal starting left tackle, David Diehl, at guard in place of the injured Snee.

well lets see...he's got serious "issues", a bad back, has hardly played any in 2+ years and constantly fighting to stay in shape...and you think we missed out? On what?

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

That whole bad back thing would really worry me. Even if he passed a physical now and looked good for a week...bad backs might feel better but they seem to be prone to return quite a bit. Plus the position he plays already puts a good degree of stress on the body and you just have to wonder how long before that bad back returns.

When I was younger, even just a few years ago I could tweak my back and it would be better after a short time.

This year I hurt my back and it has taken months to get better and still bothers me from time to time...and I am not in playing football in the trenches against 300+ lb strong guys trying to tear through me.

Now if it took him two years to get better or before another team took a chance on him...I would be kind of worried that his problems could start back up before long.

 

[Stash]

well lets see...he's got serious "issues", a bad back, has hardly played any in 2+ years and constantly fighting to stay in shape...and you think we missed out? On what?

Once again, the "Defender of the Faith" has to take up for everything the team does - or doesn't do.

Arch Defender indeed.

If we'd have signed him it would be a "shrewd move with little risk".

 

[unionjack8]

That whole bad back thing would really worry me. Even if he passed a physical now and looked good for a week...bad backs might feel better but they seem to be prone to return quite a bit. Plus the position he plays already puts a good degree of stress on the body and you just have to wonder how long before that bad back returns.

When I was younger, even just a few years ago I could tweak my back and it would be better after a short time.

This year I hurt my back and it has taken months to get better and still bothers me from time to time...and I am not in playing football in the trenches against 300+ lb strong guys trying to tear through me.

Now if it took him two years to get better or before another team took a chance on him...I would be kind of worried that his problems could start back up before long.

the bad back could heal, i dont know if he's had surgery or not, but his mental issues are what would worry me.
Personally i'd have given him a look-see, and maybe JJ did do that.
It could be an Alonzo Spellman signing(who did have sa good season here). I thi nk he signed a 6 year deal with no guaranteed monet at all. Thats very low risk, high reward IF he's healthy AND IF he's not destined for the psyche ward!

 

[Stash]

Shawn Andrews gets six year deal from the Giants with little guaranteed money


Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on August 20, 2010 2:38 PM ET

We called the Giants' signing of guard Shawn Andrews a low-risk, high reward gambit largely because we expected the contract terms to be very team-friendly.

The Giants held up their end of the bargain.

Andrews' contract runs for six years and contains "very little" guaranteed money, according to the New York Daily News. Andrews' agent said there is "more upside" in the second year of the deal, which probably means there are a lot of incentives built in.

The Giants' two starting guards are hurt right now, and the team could use some depth. Andrews will work into game shape slowly, and the team wouldn't classify him as a guard or tackle.

Basically, the contract should make it easy for the Giants to dump Andrews if the move doesn't pan out. And it will be very difficult for Andrews to play anywhere else or earn true market value if he manages to have a successful comeback.


Looks like an even better deal for the Giants if you ask me.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Mosley is on 103.3 right now saying that the Cowboys shouldn't worry too much about Andrews, because even though he's in great shape -- apparently as lean as he's been in a while -- he's a clown. Mosley said believe me, Andy Reid tried everything in the world to get through to this guy and nothing worked.