Did injuries ruin our season?

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The Panch;2614121 said:
Arizona=Clinched a weak division

Us=Competing just to get into the playoffs


No similarities at all.
They may have clinched their division early, I'm not sure. San Francisco was only 2 games behind them (and nearly beat them in their 2nd game, which would have put them 1 game behind), though, so it wasn't like they ran away with it.

Regardless, they lost 4 of their last 6 games, and in those losses they had an average margin of defeat of 24 points. That's ending the season in the tanker if I've ever seen it. Yet, they're in the Super Bowl.
 

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Kangaroo;2614116 said:
What about the Pats losing Brady and still went 11-5 and finished out winning like 6 games in a row

"easy schedule"

and

"Tom Brady isnt their whole team"
 

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theogt;2614135 said:
They may have clinched their division early, I'm not sure. San Francisco was only 2 games behind them (and nearly beat them in their 2nd game, which would have put them 1 game behind), though, so it wasn't like they ran away with it.

Regardless, they lost 4 of their last 6 games, and in those losses they had an average margin of defeat of 24 points. That's ending the season in the tanker if I've ever seen it. Yet, they're in the Super Bowl.
Once again, there's no similarities. Two of those three blowout losses came after they clinched. They turned it off after they knew the division was all but theirs once they beat SF and their inexperience got the best of them.





And most importantly, their coach worked the punk out of em after that joke of a performance in New England.
 

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The Panch;2614143 said:
Once again, there's no similarities. Two of those three blowout losses came after they clinched. They turned it off after they knew the division was all but theirs once they beat SF and their inexperience got the best of them.





And most importantly, their coach worked the punk out of em after that joke of a performance in New England.
Once again, it doesn't matter if they clinched or not. They played like absolute crap for the entire 2nd half of the season by any measure whatsoever. Yet they're in the Super Bowl.

Please note, simply repeating your argument multiple times doesn't make it more worthwhile.
 

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jterrell;2614099 said:
Hamlin had his worst year in a long time... think the injury he suffered may have had anything to do with that??

I think the fat contract he signed had an even bigger impact.

I doubt injuries made him blow those tackles in the Ravens game. His lack of preparation and/or concentration probably did.
 

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jterrell;2614099 said:
And our toughness seemed fine versus the Giants, Bucs and for the majority of the games against the Ravens and Steelers.

We had zero toughness against the Rams. We had zero toughness against the Eagles.

I think that offsets that "kind of" tough display we gave it against the Ravens and Steelers.
 

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dbair1967;2614069 said:
Injuries obviously did hurt, losing Felix Jones especially hurt our offense. Nobody should underestimate Adams playing all yr with basically one arm either, and of course we all saw how bad LG was most of the yr.

That said, the biggest issues were still the the teams horrible work ethic and being so poor fundamentally.

:hammer:

Injuries had nothing to do with throwing an interception that went for a TD in Pittsburgh to seal the victory for the opposition.

Injuries had nothing to do with the defense giving up a 77 yard TD and a 82 yard TD on back to back possessions.

Injuries had nothing to do with getting blown out 44-6.

Heck, we managed to beat the Tampa Bay Bucs with Brad Johnson.

Next!
 

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Here's an thought.

Why don't you "injuries are not a valid reason for our season" crowd simply take two steps back and admit something.

You don't want to acknowledge the impact of injuries on our season because you fear that becoming the "reason". Therefore allowing the status quo to continue which you believe is the worst thing that can happen.
 

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There is no doubt that we make the playoffs without the Romo injury. Not only did it cost us the Rams and possibly the Giants game, it also affected his follow-through/accuracy when he returned. The back thing certainly didn't help either. Felix cost us our home run threat and Kosier's absence seemed to really kill our line. Romo and Kosier did not have adequate back-ups which made those injuries even more significant to our team. Other injuries hurt (no pun intended) as well, but we managed fairly well with some of those. With winning comes confidence and that could only have helped us. Who knows if some of the late season nonsense would even have surfaced if we were winning consistently. With the exception of the 2nd Philly game (which just got out of hand after a few plays) we either won or barely lost games Romo started. The injury was huge, but I think our o-line and play-calling would ultimately have kept us from reaching our goal. So sickening to have wasted 2 seasons in a row...
 

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Clove;2614096 said:
This is why you cannot preserve players. Make them practice hard, hit in practice etc. You can't avoid injuries even if you have soft practices.

:hammer: Get this message out to VR.
 

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Maikeru-sama;2614180 said:
Injuries had nothing to do with throwing an interception that went for a TD in Pittsburgh to seal the victory for the opposition.

Injuries had nothing to do with the defense giving up a 77 yard TD and a 82 yard TD on back to back possessions.

Injuries had nothing to do with getting blown out 44-6.

Heck, we managed to beat the Tampa Bay Bucs with Brad Johnson.

Next!

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sonnyboy;2614224 said:
Here's an thought.

Why don't you "injuries are not a valid reason for our season" crowd simply take two steps back and admit something.

You don't want to acknowledge the impact of injuries on our season because you fear that becoming the "reason". Therefore allowing the status quo to continue which you believe is the worst thing that can happen.
 

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Unclutch performances by unclutch players in clutch situations doomed us.
 

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dbair1967;2614069 said:
Injuries obviously did hurt, losing Felix Jones especially hurt our offense. Nobody should underestimate Adams playing all yr with basically one arm either, and of course we all saw how bad LG was most of the yr.

That said, the biggest issues were still the the teams horrible work ethic and being so poor fundamentally.

The thread should have been locked after this post. :hammer:

Good teams over come injuries. The poor preperation and retardedness killed this team all year. Penalties are a part of the game, but the Cowboys have to be one of the dumbest teams in pro sports.

Fundamentally un-sound all year long.

For as much "Talent" as this team has, they should have been playing a football game today. Bunch of mental midgets.
 

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RCowboyFan;2614097 said:
If Injuries are an excuse, Blatimore and Pittsburgh should have bigger excuse than Cowboys.

I believe Baltimore had 2nd or 3rd most on IR in NFL, yet they went to AFC championship, with Rookie QB. Pittsburgh had significant Injuries too, especially on OL.

Now Detroit and Denver were devasted with Injuries and their season probably reflects that, except Denver had ligitimate QB, which enabled them to be at least .500 team, even with colapse.

But probably, Cowboys got most effected by Romo Injury the most. Pitt and Baltimore got ove their injuries because QB didn't lose too much time. Same with Denver, probably should have been 4-5 win team if Cutler missed 2-3 games.

Total number on IR is quite misleading.
When you look at guys like Stanback on IR it is basically a player who wouldn't be active anyways. Whereas Witten never hit IR but was seriously banged up and really just struggled to get through each game and he is the best player in the league at his position when healthy so having him out there at 70% is still a big loss.

IMHO Dallas got hit by the double whammy with injuries. You never want to lose a Pro Bowl QB to injuries and you never want to lose your backups after losing the starter.

Dallas was down to its 3rd SS and 3rd RB essentially. Those are huge because almost no team has a decent 3 deep.

Look at it this way. Dallas had 13 Pro Bowlers in 2007 and traded for another 2007 ProBowler in RW.

Flozell -- injured this year and struggled for a few weeks, especially against Arizona.

Gurode -- Not sure Gurode was banged up be he lost his "signal caller" when Kosier went out and that reduced the entire lines effectiveness.

Witten -- seriously injured for second half of the year and it showed, Had an All Pro first half of the season then fell off dramatically. Most reliable guy on the team came up empty in big spots late in the year.

Romo -- Has some wear and tear generally but never has been reported to have major injuries until this year.

Barber -- was a defense punishing machine in 2007 but in 2008 he was on pace for 1245 yards rushing and 10 TDs rushing when he got banged up and the final 5 weeks he was awful due to injury.

Ware -- was again outstanding but only 2007 Pro Bowler who elevated game in 2008 and was healthiest of them all.

Roy Hammer Williams -- was gifted a Pro Bowl after another mediocre year where he turned 2 down player. Still no one with an ounce of brains will argue that he was not missed versus the run, especially once we lost Patrick Watkins who was his coverage replacement and Keith Davis who was his run stopping replacement.

McBriar -- probably the league's best punter until he was crushed after Tashard Choice missed a block. We signed an off the street bad punter to replace him and lost about 5 yards per punt.

Terence Newman -- He had a strong 2007 and then in 2008 was at times dominant and at other times very ordinary. If he undisciplined and inconsistent or were the injuries limiting his effectiveness?

Pittsburgh's OL injuries were a factor in their season. As was their RB injuries. But that team won games based on defense. And their best defenders Polamalu and Harrison had strong years as did Lamarr Woodley.

Baltimore had a similar scenario. Did Kyle Boller on IR hurt them? Not a bit. They lost maybe 3 guys who played normally for them. None of them in their top 2 or 3 guys on either side of the ball. They didn't have Ray Lewis playing with broken ribs or their rookie QB throwing with a broken finger.

A quick guess by me at the Cowboys 10 best players would be...

Ware
Tony Romo
Jason Witten
Terrell Owens
Barber
Newman
Ratliff
Felix Jones
Flozell Adams
Roy E. Williams

Of those 10 players, seven suffered injuries that affected games.
Of the offensive guys who lead such a high powered attack, 7 of the top 10 Cowboys reside there by my best guess and 6 of those guys suffered noticeable game affecting injuries in 2008.
 

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Maikeru-sama;2614180 said:
:hammer:

Injuries had nothing to do with throwing an interception that went for a TD in Pittsburgh to seal the victory for the opposition.

Injuries had nothing to do with the defense giving up a 77 yard TD and a 82 yard TD on back to back possessions.

Injuries had nothing to do with getting blown out 44-6.

Heck, we managed to beat the Tampa Bay Bucs with Brad Johnson.

Next!
Congratulations, you've pointed out that injuries weren't the only problem. Glad we got that out of the way. Now we can get back to discussing the topic of the thread -- i.e., whether injuries were a primary cause in the team not making the playoffs.
 

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Maikeru-sama;2614180 said:
:hammer:

Injuries had nothing to do with throwing an interception that went for a TD in Pittsburgh to seal the victory for the opposition.

Injuries had nothing to do with the defense giving up a 77 yard TD and a 82 yard TD on back to back possessions.

Injuries had nothing to do with getting blown out 44-6.

Heck, we managed to beat the Tampa Bay Bucs with Brad Johnson.

Next!

That would be fine except its a laughable claim.

We had injured guys taking part in those plays. Bad throws are common when you have a bad back. It also didn't help when Witten became a weak route runner because he could barely move.

And when you have a 4th string safety in one spot and another guy who hasn't practiced in a month in the other that makes it a whole lot more difficult to stop running plays. Hamlin after all went from Pro Bowler in 07 to couldn't make a tackle on McGahee in 08....

I know it is more fun to bellow out and whine but it isn't reality.

This team wasn't as good because it wasn't as healthy as they were in 2007 and the injuries they suffered absolutely affected virtually everything on your list.

NEXT.
 

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Vintage;2614344 said:
Unclutch performances by unclutch players in clutch situations doomed us.


Yet another post that is MUCH MORE accurate as to why we are watching other teams in the playoffs.
 

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EveryoneElse;2614348 said:
The thread should have been locked after this post. :hammer:

Good teams over come injuries. The poor preperation and retardedness killed this team all year. Penalties are a part of the game, but the Cowboys have to be one of the dumbest teams in pro sports.

Fundamentally un-sound all year long.

For as much "Talent" as this team has, they should have been playing a football game today. Bunch of mental midgets.

I think this is a ood post and it has a lot of truth to it.

Dallas was ranked about 6th in penalties week 10. They zoomed to the front of the list by week 16. Did they grow more undisciplined and less attention-oriented? I'd say so. And that has to change. Whomever is in the game has to not make penalties and stupid mistakes even if they are less effective overall.

But this is why there is no one complete reason for them failing to achieve in 2008 what was set out for them.


The only statement I'd take issue with is this...
The Giants and Pats combined to win 0 playoff games but I am sure they are good teams who can overcome some injuries.
 
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