Did the offense improve from Kellen Moore?

[Jumbo075]

Yes. What we needed was an offense that completely shuts down against top defenses. Good point.

Was that a function of the offense being called, or a function of personnel? Losing Zeke Elliott severely affected both Red Zone offense, and the toughness of the offensive team. The injuries on the offensive line, and the regression of Terence Steele coming off his knee injury didn't help either.

Both play callers are proven commodities in the NFL, IMAO.

 

[Jumbo075]

Kellen Moore was fired from the chargers for a reason. Good OCs aren't on their 3rd team in 3 years. Sorry he sucks stop defending bad coaches.

That utter BS. Moore wasn't fired, so much as released from his contract once Harbaugh was hired. It took only a day for the Eagles to scoop him up, and he'll be a huge improvement over their OC from last season.

 

[Aven8]

So now we’re propping up Moore?

 

[Jumbo075]

So now we’re propping up Moore?

No propping needed. Moore stands or falls on his own record - and it's good enough to keep him employed in the NFL. I predict he'll be a Head Coaching candidate soon. He's still a rising start in the coaching world.

 

[Staubacher]

So now we’re propping up Moore?

It's called a discussion. Numbers were presented showing no improvement, in fact, regression vs the better teams/defenses.
Do you have something to say about that or just mock the messenger?

 

[cityochamps]

Did the offense improve-Yes and some areas significantly


While looking at the numbers a interesting pair of stats jumps out at me, red zone scoring attempts (thats attempts not scores) under McCarthy in 2023 we were #1 under Moore in 2022 we were #11.
Red zone scoring also stands out to me under Moore in 2022 we were #1 Under McCarthy in 2023 we dropped to #12
If we would have had red zone scoring offense similar to KM in 2022, we might very well be watching our team this weekend against the KC?

 

[cowboys5xsbs]

That utter BS. Moore wasn't fired, so much as released from his contract once Harbaugh was hired. It took only a day for the Eagles to scoop him up, and he'll be a huge improvement over their OC from last season.

Lol released from contract is fired stop trying to make it sounds better.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

You guys who responded aren’t playing along.

Its a reach...i wonder what the motivation is....km fanboi? MM hater. Doubling down on previous opinion?

 

[Zman5]

I guess we are going to just pretend all the INTS caused by bad route combos didn't happen in 2022 under KM.

You'll see same thing happen but worse with Hurts next season when he has to work with KM's option routes.

 

[cityochamps]

I guess we are going to just pretend all the INTS caused by bad route combos didn't happen in 2022 under KM.

You'll see same thing happen but worse with Hurts next season when he has to work with KM's option routes.

That was a big one that jumped out at me also while looking at the stats-passing yards in 2023 Dallas #1 in 2022 under Moore #13 along with Dak's completion percentage from 18th in 2022 under moore to #1 under McCarthy. I cant say that all of that was bad route running though Dak looked terrible at times in 2022. IMO

 

[Aven8]

It's called a discussion. Numbers were presented showing no improvement, in fact, regression vs the better teams/defenses.
Do you have something to say about that or just mock the messenger?

I was the first responder in the thread. I said my peace.

 

[Kwyn]

Its a reach...i wonder what the motivation is....km fanboi? MM hater. Doubling down on previous opinion?

All around contrarion really. A lot of it is just planned to stir the pot.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

It's called a discussion. Numbers were presented showing no improvement, in fact, regression vs the better teams/defenses.
Do you have something to say about that or just mock the messenger?

What it's called is cherry picking.

What if I use just Ceedee stats to show we greatly improved?

Using just "against good teams"...same deal.

 

[XXLMike]

100% yes

 

[StarOfGlory]

100 percent it improved.

The real question is. How did Moore look with his scheme and a litany of stars in LA including a real franchise QB?

I'm wondering if Herbert isn't today's Marino. Tons of talent, lots of weapons, can't win when it matters.

 

[CTcowboy203]

We can make this now about did they improve, which I think they did but the immediate reaction from many and most here was how the offense would take such a big step back - which didn’t happen.

We were also told what success kellen would have with a “real qb” now.

 

[Kumala808]

add a running game it will even better

 

[TwistedL0g1k]

"Improved" is an interesting question. The new dumbed down offense is better for Dak, so in that sense yes. Overall, relative to the rest of the league, I'll say NO.

Dallas went from a more sophisticated offense that Dak struggled with (league leading interceptions), to a simpler offense that Dak could run and understand. Unfortunately, the the better opposing defenses could also understand it! Dallas could do little against the better teams and defenses at the end of last season. Ultimately no meaningful improvement, and the common denominator is obvious.

Dallas's offense under Moore was second in the entire NFL in points per game, only surpassed by the Chiefs. It's silly to think that was somehow a problem!
"Scapegoat" is correct.

 

[nalam]

The inability to not be able to run the football is why. The offensive line is awful at run blocking. And the backs are pretty spare.

Good point, I guess it is the OL blocking scheme or OL players or a combo of it more than lack of bruising backs , there were not many holes opened

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

Didn't look much different to me when it mattered. I guess we destroyed the scrubs of the league better though. Made us feel better for awhile.