Did we make a mistake trading for Roy?

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Doomsday101;3057536 said:
What I'm hoping to see is the coaches in the Philly game limit RW to 3 routs the slant, the post and the go rout have RW work on those 3 routs to help build some confidence between him and Romo.
That's a good strategy, similar to how the coaches used to start Romo out slowly a couple of seasons ago to take the edge off his initial adrenalin rush at the beginning of games. Still, I hope that they would restrict it to the first or second offensive series only. You don't want to dedicate a portion of your entire gameplan to a single player. That's a particular strategy which we've recently gotten away from.
 

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Derinyar;3057531 said:
Yes at this point the trade is a bust. It should be pretty obvious. 1,3, and a 5 for someone who's putting up 3rd WR numbers isn't a good trade, but it has been beaten into the ground.

How is the trade a bust after only a year ?

I would at least wait until next season to even think along those lines.
 

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DallasEast;3057546 said:
That's a good strategy, similar to how the coaches used to start Romo out slowly a couple of seasons ago to take the edge off his initial adrenalin rush at the beginning of games. Still, I hope that they would restrict it to the first or second offensive series only. You don't want to dedicate a portion of your entire gameplan to a single player. That's a particular strategy which we've recently gotten away from.

I don't want Dallas to focus on RW just limit what he and Romo are doing during practice to help build confidence. Come game time I expect Romo to find the open man not look to force balls into RW. From seeing RW play in the past I know these are 3 routs he is very comfortable in. Go back to what Kitna said in the Tampa game to Romo when he hit RW on the skinny post, that is a rout RW loves and has had very good success with.
 

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When the trade was made...

I thought it was a good deal....I thought the price paid at the time was fair.....I defended the trade .....

now...im willing to eat crow..

Seems like just a bad fit.....expected way more production.....but also expected Roy to be a better player....I guess I never really watched alot of lions games....but Roy is a clone of Keshawn Johnson (sp?).....and I wouldnt of gave up that much for that type of a WR.

I really thought RW had more quicks and ran better routes...... :(
 

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dwdj75;3057549 said:
How is the trade a bust after only a year ?

I would at least wait until next season to even think along those lines.
Of course, the trade's a bust. You see, Jerry Jones would have used those picks, which were surrendered for Williams, and drafted three starting caliber players. If you would like to know who those three particular players would be, just ask any draft expert here.

What's curious is how some of those same draft experts never seem to credit Jerry Jones for drafting quality players in the past. So one would have to wonder how he could do pull off that which he hasn't done in the past. That seems kind of contradictory to me, but my crystal ball's usually cloudy anyway.
 

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dwdj75;3057549 said:
How is the trade a bust after only a year ?

I would at least wait until next season to even think along those lines.


Honestly, When you give up a 1st, a 3rd, and a 5th plus a $45,000,000 dollar contract to a guy that's produced 3 TDs in a 16 game span and you don't see the trade as a bust (to this point) then I don't know what to tell you.

So far, it's been a HUGE bust. That's not to say that when it's all said and done that it won't be. To this point, it is.

Maybe I'm impatient, but for that kind of scratch I don't think it's out of line to see some production before a year and a half passes by.

Come on Roy, it's a new week and another chance to have that monster game. Philly week would be the best time shut EVERYONE up. Believe it or not, most of us ARE pulling for you even if we haven't been thrilled to this point.
 

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I wasn't all that excited about the RW trade, mostly because 1) he was close to becoming a free agent anyway and 2) he seemed interested in playing for the Cowboys.

There's a decent chance that the Cowboys could have signed Williams as a free agent had the Cowboys been willing to wait a while little longer.
 

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Doomsday101;3057557 said:
I don't want Dallas to focus on RW just limit what he and Romo are doing during practice to help build confidence. Come game time I expect Romo to find the open man not look to force balls into RW. From seeing RW play in the past I know these are 3 routs he is very comfortable in. Go back to what Kitna said in the Tampa game to Romo when he hit RW on the skinny post, that is a rout RW loves and has had very good success with.
If you go by previous statements made by both Williams and Romo, their communication during practice is very good. It's only during the last several weeks that it hasn't been during the games themselves. I think that the confidence is there during practice. The question is why it doesn't translate over to the games. Plus, it's safe to assume that he's running the same routes during practice and in games, so the usual "Roy Williams only runs bad routes!!11!" mantra loses a lot of its bluster.
 

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this IS a rhetorical question right...........right? HELL YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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DallasEast;3057568 said:
Of course, the trade's a bust. You see, Jerry Jones would have used those picks, which were surrendered for Williams, and drafted three starting caliber players. If you would like to know who those three particular players would be, just ask any draft expert here.

What's curious is how some of those same draft experts never seem to credit Jerry Jones for drafting quality players in the past. So one would have to wonder how he could do pull off that which he hasn't done in the past. That seems kind of contradictory to me, but my crystal ball's usually cloudy anyway.

Every one of Jerry's picks turn out to be all pro HOF players....didn't you know that?
 

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Yeagermeister;3057581 said:
Every one of Jerry's picks turn out to be all pro HOF players....didn't you know that?
No I didn't, darn it! :mad:
 

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DallasEast;3057577 said:
If you go by previous statements made by both Williams and Romo, their communication during practice is very good. It's only during the last several weeks that it hasn't been during the games themselves. I think that the confidence is there during practice. The question is why it doesn't translate over to the games. Plus, it's safe to assume that he's running the same routes during practice and in games, so the usual "Roy Williams only runs bad routes!!11!" mantra loses a lot of its bluster.

What we see in the game is some option routs that they just do not seem to be on the same page. You have RW seeing one thing and Romo seeing something else. RW breaks off the rout Romo is throwing deeper and when RW takes it deep Romo is throwing short. All I'm suggesting is take these 3 plays and work with them to build confidence with each other and routs RW has show he can do very well with in a game with the skinny post being one of them. Just think that sometime you go back to basics to help ease the frustration.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d8129131c/Roy-Williams-66-yard-TD-catch
 

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dwdj75;3057549 said:
How is the trade a bust after only a year ?

I would at least wait until next season to even think along those lines.

So how many seasons does it take to evaluate a veteran WR? 3 or 4?

Right now, to this day, defend Roy Williams as anything but a massive disappointment? 16 games played for below 500 yards and 3 TDs.

I don't think we can cut him, or should, we put way too much into him to ditch him right now. But because we have that much in him we also don't have to say that everything is alright with him. Theres obviously something wrong with him in concerns to Romo, and since every other player seems to have good working chemistry with Romo then I have to look at it and say the problem is more with Roy than Romo.
 

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Yes,they paid to much for Roy Williams,but it's not his fault that Romo throws behind him all the time.Romo will not lead Dallas to a Super Bowl,I said it when they made him a super star before making him a football player,and I still say it.
 

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I think it was a mistake to give so much for him.
In hindsight, a No. 3 rounder would have sufficed. That and a six-pack of Old Milwaukee.

RW could still get into the groove. But now he has to rebuild his association with Romo, catch the balls that do arrive in his hands and shut his damn mouth up.

It could happen.
 

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CATCH17;3057507 said:
So its still to early for this kind of stuff... But its Dallas and of course the fans will over react extremely quick to anything and everything.

I see that you react rather quickly to any criticism of RW.
Hey, when you are through defending RW you might see a pattern to roy: dropped balls, routes that may have been wrong, pouting and a good amount of divaness on his part.

But, then, in your mind, we may be reacting too quickly for this overrated WR.:rolleyes:
 

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Yes, we gave up too much, but that is water under the bridge. All we can do now is hope that he produces to some degree and doesn't tear the team apart with his mouth. He isn't going anywhere anytime soon, so we are stuck with him. Nothing to do except hope he improves and the other receivers can pick up the slack if he doesn't.
 

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was a bad trade. If we were going to cut TO i'd rather us drafted a WR early instead of going with RW he isn't giving us anything that a rookie wouldn't be able to give us.
 

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At this point right now? It doesn't look like a good trade. If they ever start clicking though? It very well might end up being worth it.
 
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