Did you not believe after 24-0 in 1991 or 31-7 in 1992?

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The only things I can see is the possibility that the short turn around really took a toll on the Cowboys in the last game (which I still find troubling since I don't think the few extra hours the iggles had should have made that big of a difference) combined with the 10 days between games this time makes a big enough difference for Dallas to pull off a W but I don't see any way we do to them what they did to us but I admittedly run pessimistic

Know its history by now but we had an overseas game, which does throw off the body clock, followed by a tough road game with NY, then put in the quick turnaround, and I for one can see where we were playing very listless.
 

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I know that there is a lot of doubt and people are still traumatized from the Thanksgiving game. But there have been similar scenarios where the Eagles have crushed Dallas only for Dallas to punch them in the mouth in the rematch. After losing 24-0 at home in 91 where the "Great Wall of Dallas" surrendered 11 sacks to the vaunted Eagle D only to crush the Eagles at the Vet in the rematch 25-13 with Steve Beuerlein at QB managing the game and playing mistake free football. Eagles also crushed Dallas 31-7 in the first meeting in 1992 only for Dallas to return the favor 20-10 in the rematch 3 weeks later and then beat them when it really counted 34-10 in the post season. I don't know about you but I feel the team knows this game is a huge game for the franchise and will respond by punching the Eagles in the mouth and take control of this division until the end of the season. This will change the way people view this club in big games down the stretch. I don't know about you all but I am pretty fired up and I am sure the team is as well!

You do realize Jerome Brown died in a car crash the off season between 91 and 92 which made their defensive line less great. He was the catalyst - the unblockable force that caused guys like Clyde Simmons and Reggie White to be singled up.

Nate couldn't handle him man-up. And the eleven sack fest which ended Aikman's season because Clyde Simmons lifted him then jumped on him, separating his shoulder, came because of the intensity of Brown's rush up the middle.

There was a major reason they dropped off and it had less to do with Dallas and more to do with Brown's death.
 

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I know that there is a lot of doubt and people are still traumatized from the Thanksgiving game. But there have been similar scenarios where the Eagles have crushed Dallas only for Dallas to punch them in the mouth in the rematch. After losing 24-0 at home in 91 where the "Great Wall of Dallas" surrendered 11 sacks to the vaunted Eagle D only to crush the Eagles at the Vet in the rematch 25-13 with Steve Beuerlein at QB managing the game and playing mistake free football. Eagles also crushed Dallas 31-7 in the first meeting in 1992 only for Dallas to return the favor 20-10 in the rematch 3 weeks later and then beat them when it really counted 34-10 in the post season. I don't know about you but I feel the team knows this game is a huge game for the franchise and will respond by punching the Eagles in the mouth and take control of this division until the end of the season. This will change the way people view this club in big games down the stretch. I don't know about you all but I am pretty fired up and I am sure the team is as well!

The Cowboys OL wasn't quite the "Great Wall of Dallas" in 91 when they gave up those 11 sacks in week 3 of that season. That OL was still developing and just added a rookie Erik Williams. As we found out in the early 90's the Cowboys were an up and coming team that was on the cusp of greatness. The 2014 Cowboys have overachieved this season it's hard to tell where the future of this team is headed. Jimmy had a very young team with youth at the QB position unlike the current Cowboys who have a 34 year old Tony Romo who has back issues. The current Cowboys have a solid young OL but the defense needs a ton of work and lacks many of the components the Cowboys defenses of the early 90's had. Both the 91 and 92 Cowboys were blown out by Philly "early" in the season and dominated them "later" in the season when the team had improved.

The current Cowboys just got blown out by Philly 2 weeks ago who were playing with their backup QB. The Cowboys have only played one game since their blow out loss to Philly allowing a crappy 5 win Bears team to crawl back within 10 points after having them down by 24. Had Brandon Marshall not been injured in the first half the Bears might have won that game because he was on pace for a huge night. Hard to evolve into a better team after just 2 weeks. The 91 and 92 teams had a number of games to improve during the season before facing Philly the second time. They were clearly a better team later in the season than they were earlier in the season both years. The 92 team became arguably one of the top 5 greatest teams ever. The 91 and 92 Philly teams were known for Buddy Ryan and great defense. The 2014 Eagles are known for Chip Kelly and a fast pace explosive offense which isn't a good matchup for a subpar Cowboys defense that lacks a pass rush.
 

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The current Cowboys just got blown out by Philly 2 weeks ago who were playing with their backup QB. The Cowboys have only played one game since their blow out loss to Philly allowing a crappy 5 win Bears team to crawl back within 10 points after having them down by 24. Had Brandon Marshall not been injured in the first half the Bears might have won that game because he was on pace for a huge night. Hard to evolve into a better team after just 2 weeks. The 91 and 92 teams had a number of games to improve during the season before facing Philly the second time. They were clearly a better team later in the season than they were earlier in the season both years. The 92 team became arguably one of the top 5 greatest teams ever. The 91 and 92 Philly teams were known for Buddy Ryan and great defense. The 2014 Eagles are known for Chip Kelly and a fast pace explosive offense which isn't a good matchup for a subpar Cowboys defense that lacks a pass rush.

In other words, we are probably going to get blasted again?
 

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You do realize Jerome Brown died in a car crash the off season between 91 and 92 which made their defensive line less great. He was the catalyst - the unblockable force that caused guys like Clyde Simmons and Reggie White to be singled up.

Nate couldn't handle him man-up. And the eleven sack fest which ended Aikman's season because Clyde Simmons lifted him then jumped on him, separating his shoulder, came because of the intensity of Brown's rush up the middle.

There was a major reason they dropped off and it had less to do with Dallas and more to do with Brown's death.

Wrong game...the Aikman injury from Clyde Simmons was in 1990. I do know about Brown's death, however they still handled Philly with Brown (bless his soul) at the Vet.
 

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In other words, we are probably going to get blasted again?

It's very possible considering the beating the Cowboys took just 2 weeks ago is still fresh in the minds of both teams. Philly got CRUSHED by Green Bay just a couple of weeks before facing the Cowboys and they looked like a juggernaut against us. Despite Philly only gaining 139 total yards vs Seattle they hung in and had Malcolm Jenkins not dropped a sure pick-six that game could have turned out differently. Unless the Cowboys find some defense and a pass rush it's going to be hard to stay within 2 scores of them unless Sanchez has a bad game. For him to have a bad game the Cowboys defense is going to have to apply pressure and make him uncomfortable. The bottom line is if the Cowboys had trouble holding off a Bears team that lacked Brandon Marshall for the entire second half good luck shutting down Philly for 4 quarters.
 
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In 1991, I thought they had a good, young team. In 1992, I knew they had a good, young team. My only era in 1992 was that I thought they were 1 year away. I can't even begin to put this group remotely close to that level, so "believing" feels like a moot point to me.
 

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And yet we lost 33-10 at home the last time we played them. If you want to blame the short turn around, OK.

Did you not read the original post? Wasn't the whole point of this thread about the fact that when division rivals play twice a year, one game can look entirely different than the other? Yes, we lost 33-10 at home, almost identical to the margin in the first game in 1992 (which was clearly referenced in the OP). And yet, we destroyed them the next time around.
 

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Did you not read the original post? Wasn't the whole point of this thread about the fact that when division rivals play twice a year, one game can look entirely different than the other? Yes, we lost 33-10 at home, almost identical to the margin in the first game in 1992 (which was clearly referenced in the OP). And yet, we destroyed them the next time around.

Yes, I read the original post. It's true but at the same time meaningless, because this isn't 1992. I want to know what people are seeing about these teams right now that makes them think 1992 is about to be repeated.
 

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they were young, full of fire and going places, I could see that in the 1-15 season so I believed long before that but I admittedly never saw winning 3 Super Bowls in 4 years

I know that when they lost to the lions in the playoffs the year before superbowl 27 victory. I knew the better team didn't win. I remember thinking... That won't happen next year.... And it didn't.
 

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The current Cowboys just got blown out by Philly 2 weeks ago who were playing with their backup QB. The Cowboys have only played one game since their blow out loss to Philly allowing a crappy 5 win Bears team to crawl back within 10 points after having them down by 24. Had Brandon Marshall not been injured in the first half the Bears might have won that game because he was on pace for a huge night. Hard to evolve into a better team after just 2 weeks. The 91 and 92 teams had a number of games to improve during the season before facing Philly the second time. They were clearly a better team later in the season than they were earlier in the season both years. The 92 team became arguably one of the top 5 greatest teams ever. The 91 and 92 Philly teams were known for Buddy Ryan and great defense. The 2014 Eagles are known for Chip Kelly and a fast pace explosive offense which isn't a good matchup for a subpar Cowboys defense that lacks a pass rush.

A couple things,

The first game with Philly had us coming off a Sun night game on the road to a Thursday day game. 3 days rest, 2 days prep was not enough for the fast paced eagles. I would say last years defensive (a worse defense) performance's are more representative of how we can play Philadelphia this week. If Seattle beat them we should abuse them, we did after all abuse Seattle in their house. Are we better than Seattle? IDK, but don't forget we dominated and humiliated them at home. We abused Seattle in the trenches on both sides of the ball. They were missing Wagner, hey we were missing S.Lee. everybody is missing someone, not a valid excuse unless it's your QB.

The Bears game was a blow-out. The Bears crawled back in against a prevent defense in Q4 and got an on-side kick. It was a laugher and we were never challenged. Had Garrett put Randle in on a few goal line opp's after Murray's long runs, we would have put 55 on 'em

The 2014 Chip Kelly fast paced eagles are a fine match-up for the 2014 run it down your throat cowboys. As long as we can make third down conversions and Romo feels good, we can put a hurting on this team. Please bring the fast pace, If we can control the clock, a couple three and outs by Philly will bury them, much like it did last week against Seattle.

We don't need to be a better team in two weeks to beat Philly, we needed some rest, we need to play and coach better. "Fatigue makes a coward of all us" ~Jimmy Johnson
 

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A couple things,

The first game with Philly had us coming off a Sun night game on the road to a Thursday day game. 3 days rest, 2 days prep was not enough for the fast paced eagles. I would say last years defensive (a worse defense) performance's are more representative of how we can play Philadelphia this week. If Seattle beat them we should abuse them, we did after all abuse Seattle in their house. Are we better than Seattle? IDK, but don't forget we dominated and humiliated them at home. We abused Seattle in the trenches on both sides of the ball. They were missing Wagner, hey we were missing S.Lee. everybody is missing someone, not a valid excuse unless it's your QB.

The Bears game was a blow-out. The Bears crawled back in against a prevent defense in Q4 and got an on-side kick. It was a laugher and we were never challenged. Had Garrett put Randle in on a few goal line opp's after Murray's long runs, we would have put 55 on 'em

The 2014 Chip Kelly fast paced eagles are a fine match-up for the 2014 run it down your throat cowboys. As long as we can make third down conversions and Romo feels good, we can put a hurting on this team. Please bring the fast pace, If we can control the clock, a couple three and outs by Philly will bury them, much like it did last week against Seattle.

We don't need to be a better team in two weeks to beat Philly, we needed some rest, we need to play and coach better. "Fatigue makes a coward of all us" ~Jimmy Johnson

I've seen the Cowboys return from long breaks only to play like crap so I'm not buying into they weren't rested enough. Philly had 3 days rest and had to travel to Dallas which should have been a disadvantage. The Seattle team that beat Philly last week was a better Seattle team than the Cowboys played early in the season. Seattle's defense is starting to look like last years unit. They held Philly to 139 yards total offense but Philly was still able to keep the game competitive. I doubt the Cowboys defense is going to come up with an effort like Seattle's on Sunday Night. The Cowboys were playing much better football riding a 4 game winning streak when they beat Seattle in week 6. I just don't think the Cowboys have the defense to contain Philly. They're going to have to put a lid on McCoy and force Sanchez to have to beat them.

They have to force him to turn the ball over that's the Cowboys only chance unless they can win a shootout which will put a lot on Romo's plate. Since the loss to Washington in week 8 the Cowboys have played 500 football. I'm not saying they can't beat Philly but I can't see them putting a "hurting" on them. The Cowboys don't have a good enough defense or pass rush to put a hurting on a team that can score like Philly can. Hell they put 14 points up on only 139 yards of offense. The Cowboys were coasting against Chicago by 24 and allowed them to get within striking distance without their #1 receiver for the entire second half. The Cowboys lack a killer instinct unlike Philly who will relish the opportunity to embarrass the Cowboys again.
 

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I've seen the Cowboys return from long breaks only to play like crap so I'm not buying into they weren't rested enough. Philly had 3 days rest and had to travel to Dallas which should have been a disadvantage. The Seattle team that beat Philly last week was a better Seattle team than the Cowboys played early in the season. Seattle's defense is starting to look like last years unit. They held Philly to 139 yards total offense but Philly was still able to keep the game competitive. I doubt the Cowboys defense is going to come up with an effort like Seattle's on Sunday Night. The Cowboys were playing much better football riding a 4 game winning streak when they beat Seattle in week 6. I just don't think the Cowboys have the defense to contain Philly. They're going to have to put a lid on McCoy and force Sanchez to have to beat them.

They have to force him to turn the ball over that's the Cowboys only chance unless they can win a shootout which will put a lot on Romo's plate. Since the loss to Washington in week 8 the Cowboys have played 500 football. I'm not saying they can't beat Philly but I can't see them putting a "hurting" on them. The Cowboys don't have a good enough defense or pass rush to put a hurting on a team that can score like Philly can. Hell they put 14 points up on only 139 yards of offense. The Cowboys were coasting against Chicago by 24 and allowed them to get within striking distance without their #1 receiver for the entire second half. The Cowboys lack a killer instinct unlike Philly who will relish the opportunity to embarrass the Cowboys again.

Not sure what that has to do with this year. I mean we had one long break the bye week and we won. The problem with you not buying they weren't rested enough is that Philly played at home in an early game and didn't have to get on off and back on a plane like we did. We flew half way cross country to play a Sunday night game against a division rival and then get back on a plane and back in Dallas in the early hours of Monday morning. Leaving little time to recover physically for a Thursday afternoon game. I don't care what you aren't buying that is a valid reason why the Cowboys weren't rested.
 

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Not sure what that has to do with this year. I mean we had one long break the bye week and we won. The problem with you not buying they weren't rested enough is that Philly played at home in an early game and didn't have to get on off and back on a plane like we did. We flew half way cross country to play a Sunday night game against a division rival and then get back on a plane and back in Dallas in the early hours of Monday morning. Leaving little time to recover physically for a Thursday afternoon game. I don't care what you aren't buying that is a valid reason why the Cowboys weren't rested.


A lot of things get brought up with the Cowboys that have nothing to do with this year because they follow a familiar pattern almost every season. We hear about their bad Decembers every year before we even reach December. We had the bye week and returned to play a one win JAX team. The Cowboys haven't had much luck the past few years returning from long weeks to face a good team. In 2012 they had a long week after beating the defending SB champion Giants on opening night which happened to be a Wednesday and returned 11 days later to get crushed by Seattle.

Three weeks later they had a bye and returned losing to the Ravens who went on to win the SB that season. Last season after a 10 day break in Dec they returned and got crushed by the Bears. Even Garratt scoffed at the excuse the team wasn't rested after the Philly loss he mentioned the Eagles went through the same thing plus they had to travel. There was no excuse for how poorly the Cowboys played on Thanksgiving because they play on Thanksgiving every year.
 

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It's not intellectually fair to compare those teams, please. Our offense looked like crap against a good Philly team who put pressure on our offense by scoring at will. Our offense was NOT up to the challenge. If I'm on the Cowboys offense, I say, "let's get rolling and score 100 if we have too", but don't back down like a bunch of *******. So who are we? Are we a strong minded team who can take a punch and give a harder one back? Or are we a bunch of pansies who prey on easy below .500 teams that allow teams like Philly to slap us up and down. I just want to know who we are?

Dez on the sideline trying to get into his teams head that this is not how you beat good teams. You don't back down and allow teams to get back in to the game. This team needs fire, and a killer instinct. Garrett is so nice and kind, I don't need nice and kick, I need someone who's going to keep the foot on the pedal and not allow teams to bully us around.

We have 3 games to go. We need to win all 3. So we'll so who this team is, who this coach is, who this QB is once more.
 

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Cowboys lack a killer instinct unlike Philly who will relish the opportunity to embarrass the Cowboys again.

We're going to run it down their throats. Philadelphia is a soft team. They are fast but soft. You want killer instinct... Watch our offensive line spring Murray for another 100+ yards.

McCoy will not break 100 yards if they set the edge. Book it.
 

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There was no excuse for how poorly the Cowboys played on Thanksgiving because they play on Thanksgiving every year.

We never played a thanksgiving game following a Sunday night game on the road.... ever. . We just played on Sunday night and got off the plane Monday morning at 6am. Romo was out of his established routine for his back, it's really easy to see what happened here. Trying to make believe it didn't happen is funny though.
 

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What happened over two decades is totally irrelevant today--only the jerseys are the same and not entirely.

I disagree. The psychology of players after they are made aware of team history is a factor.

The psychology of the home crowd knowing this history and fearing it's possible again can contribute to a lack of confidence if things start to go bad for them and affect the teams play. Imo.

Obviously I have only my experience playing and watching sports. So I could be way off. But that's how I feel.
 
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