Difference between Seattle 4-3 and Cowboys 4-3

Hawkeye0202

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Brown is big enough. Brown's issue is that he doesn't trust his technique and he got worried about getting beat on corner routes and then got killed on slants. Coaches, particularly this coaching staff, HATE players that don't trust their technique. Jordan is pretty physical with his hands and it's more what he played at Michigan. I think they need to consider Brown at the slot considering how well he played the slot later in the season.

Jones is a good safety, just don't have him play in the box because it's a waste of his talents. This is what bothers me most about Rod...you move Heath to SS and he couldn't tackle a 1-legged man with an inner ear fluid disorder, so you move Byron in the box when he's not an in-the-box safety and he still tackles better than Heath did. Then you take away snaps from Byron to put in a more true in the box safety in Frazier and thus leave a big hole in coverage because neither Heath and certainly not Frazier can cover like Byron can. Something tells me that there's more to the story than meets the eye. Heath did make a few more plays in pass coverage, but some of them were the benefits of bad plays by the opponent. And when Heath made plays in coverage it was often in some sort of bracket coverage...but Rod insisted in playing Cover 2. Ugh.

D-Law can play wide-9 easily. The DE's for SEA aren't exactly fast. It's not really a speed thing. It's also not the be all end all in pass rushing technique. A guy like Brees who climbs the pocket well can have a field day against the Wide-9. And it really is more designed to benefit the DT's because the guards can't get the help from the tackles because the ends are split so wide. Bigger question would be can we get a pass rusher on 3rd down out of the 1-tech.

OUur 1-tech play stunk last year. That's why I wouldn't be against having a natural 3-tech...if he was an Aaron Donald type being drafted. You could switch Irving and the rookie between 1-tech and 3-tech and cause some real problems. But for now, our 1-tech is still Collins who I have yet to see him as a 'good player' as everybody raves about. Regardless of position...he hasn't played well for us.

My doubts are against us gong with a big 1-tech if Rod is stillhere. On this point I understand Rod's philosophy, but if you're a sieve against the run and insist on stopping the run...something has to give.

Jaylon is the MIKE. I wouldn't lose hope on him just yet. His coverage in the second half of the season was pretty good and at times, excellent. He started to get the run defense down as well. People should understand that this was acompletely different philosophy and position skill fit for him. So not only was he coming off an injury and had not played in over a year and was still favoring his injury...he had to learn a lot of new things.






YR

About a week after the season ended Stephen was asked about the draft. He would only admit that they wanted to continue building the DL. Since we have DLaw and used a first on Taco last year, wonder if this the year they finally use a high pick on DT.
 

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Jones and Awuzie could be the outside CBs with Lewis in the slot. If Jaylon gets over the foot issue he can be the pass rush LB.

Need a 1 tech though. Poe, Logan, or draft pick.

The hardest hole to fill is the FS. High caliber centerfielders don't grow on trees. Jones doesn't have the awareness to play it well. All the athleticism in the world but always a tick slow to react. If getting Earl Thomas is possible make the move.

This defense is not that far off from being special.
 

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They run a ton of Cover 3 single high because of ET. He's probably the most important part of that defense given that he's able to centerfield it all by himself.

MLB will play a lot of curl/hook defending against the pass.

CB's like to play on top and they use a kick-step style press that's kinda their own.

On third downs they like to play man.
 

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Seattles defense:
Earl Thomas
Kam Chancellor......per Carroll, his career may be over ( neck injury )
Richard Sherman......pay cut?
Cliff Avril..................per Carroll his career is likely over
Michael Bennett.......word is he'll be released
Sheldon Richardson...he's a free agent
Bobby Wagner

Our Defense:
Sean Lee
Demarcus Lawerence
David Irving

Other words, their D is in for major shakeup which probably explains hiring a new DC
 

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Seattles defense:
Earl Thomas
Kam Chancellor
Richard Sherman
Cliff Avril
Michael Bennett
Sheldon Richardson
Bobby Wagner

Our Defense:
Sean Lee
Demarcus Lawerence
David Irving

Those Seattle guys are leaving or past their prime. Our 3 rookie DBs really showed out at the end of the year. We are ascending.
 

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Brown is big enough. Brown's issue is that he doesn't trust his technique and he got worried about getting beat on corner routes and then got killed on slants. Coaches, particularly this coaching staff, HATE players that don't trust their technique. Jordan is pretty physical with his hands and it's more what he played at Michigan. I think they need to consider Brown at the slot considering how well he played the slot later in the season.

Jones is a good safety, just don't have him play in the box because it's a waste of his talents. This is what bothers me most about Rod...you move Heath to SS and he couldn't tackle a 1-legged man with an inner ear fluid disorder, so you move Byron in the box when he's not an in-the-box safety and he still tackles better than Heath did. Then you take away snaps from Byron to put in a more true in the box safety in Frazier and thus leave a big hole in coverage because neither Heath and certainly not Frazier can cover like Byron can. Something tells me that there's more to the story than meets the eye. Heath did make a few more plays in pass coverage, but some of them were the benefits of bad plays by the opponent. And when Heath made plays in coverage it was often in some sort of bracket coverage...but Rod insisted in playing Cover 2. Ugh.

D-Law can play wide-9 easily. The DE's for SEA aren't exactly fast. It's not really a speed thing. It's also not the be all end all in pass rushing technique. A guy like Brees who climbs the pocket well can have a field day against the Wide-9. And it really is more designed to benefit the DT's because the guards can't get the help from the tackles because the ends are split so wide. Bigger question would be can we get a pass rusher on 3rd down out of the 1-tech.

OUur 1-tech play stunk last year. That's why I wouldn't be against having a natural 3-tech...if he was an Aaron Donald type being drafted. You could switch Irving and the rookie between 1-tech and 3-tech and cause some real problems. But for now, our 1-tech is still Collins who I have yet to see him as a 'good player' as everybody raves about. Regardless of position...he hasn't played well for us.

My doubts are against us gong with a big 1-tech if Rod is stillhere. On this point I understand Rod's philosophy, but if you're a sieve against the run and insist on stopping the run...something has to give.

Jaylon is the MIKE. I wouldn't lose hope on him just yet. His coverage in the second half of the season was pretty good and at times, excellent. He started to get the run defense down as well. People should understand that this was acompletely different philosophy and position skill fit for him. So not only was he coming off an injury and had not played in over a year and was still favoring his injury...he had to learn a lot of new things.






YR

Man, Yakuza, I think you and I were taking the same notes since this is pretty much how I see it.
 

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1. 8 man box to stop the run with single high safety
2. corners plays a lot of bump and run
3. big run-stuff 1-tech
4. wide-9 DE
5. aggressive SLB passrushing (at least in atlanta version of seattle D)

A lot to like

Questions
1. awuzie is big enough to play this, but jordan and brown?
2. jones has a role/fit?
3. who else beyond injury-prone tapper has the speed to play wide-9?
4. are we going to get a large 1-tech?
5. do we have a SLB pass rusher? jaylon?


I think you move Byron back to Corner and that answers a lot of questions.
 

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Derwin James would be an excellent addition to this young secondary. Perhaps a guy like Richards can help maximize his abilities.
 

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Seattle plays a sort of press Cover 1/3 that pushes all the routes to the inside where they have a pair of great safeties sitting. Its a great scheme and Dallas might (we don't really know) have the corners but I am pretty sure they don't have the safety play needed for this. Thinking Heath could start was a huge arrogant miss but something the front office does every year. I think you have to draft a SS high and perhaps move Jones to corner as well and add a FS. Hard to pick up two starting quality safeties in one draft.
 

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Jones and Awuzie could be the outside CBs with Lewis in the slot. If Jaylon gets over the foot issue he can be the pass rush LB.

Need a 1 tech though. Poe, Logan, or draft pick.

The hardest hole to fill is the FS. High caliber centerfielders don't grow on trees. Jones doesn't have the awareness to play it well. All the athleticism in the world but always a tick slow to react. If getting Earl Thomas is possible make the move.

This defense is not that far off from being special.
The only tweak to your plan for me would be that Jones is the corner that gets the snaps allotted for the slot, Lewis and Awuzie remain starters and Lewis moves into the slot and Jones becomes the boundary cornerback when necessary. I believe jones needs to react more than read, he has natural athleticism he needs to lean on it more. Cornerback is his more natural position I just hope he can make the transition if they do it.
 

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Jones and Awuzie could be the outside CBs with Lewis in the slot. If Jaylon gets over the foot issue he can be the pass rush LB.

Need a 1 tech though. Poe, Logan, or draft pick.

The hardest hole to fill is the FS. High caliber centerfielders don't grow on trees. Jones doesn't have the awareness to play it well. All the athleticism in the world but always a tick slow to react. If getting Earl Thomas is possible make the move.

This defense is not that far off from being special.


I agree... I use chido and byron at cb2 and 1 on Madden my self with JLew at the 3 spot! stick em

Bring in Earl Thomas to tutor Woods at the safety Oooohhhh weeee Lock down you here me...

Because we gonna this dline even more betta quality wise.... these young Dbs gonna eat with this new DB coach who can develop DBs
 

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Seattles defense:
Earl Thomas
Kam Chancellor
Richard Sherman
Cliff Avril
Michael Bennett
Sheldon Richardson
Bobby Wagner

Our Defense:
Sean Lee
Demarcus Lawerence
David Irving
Dallas 8th in defense / Seattle 11th in defense.
 
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