Difference between us and Philly

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AbeBeta;2586686 said:
Those 5 are rapidly becoming ancient history.

would you trade them for some playoff wins and a bunch of big game chokes? i wouldn't :rolleyes:

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You can hate the Eagles all you want and I do dislike them alot, but 5 championship games in the last 10 years is hard to argue. Yes, their fans are idiots but just because of that you cant ignore the product on the field. Like the one poster said Reid had the guts to pull Mcnabb. Just by that move alone sparked the team to 7 victories in a row. Fact of the matter is in our situation one of the tough calls would had been to bench Roy Williams, the reciever, hes playing hurt, doesnt know the system and has absolutley no chemistry with Romo. Next up is the Felix Jones situation. He couldnt get on the field because Marion Barber is too hard to take off the field. If that was the case then you DO NOT DRAFT FELIX JONES IN THE FIRST ROUND!!!!!! A good coach like Jeff Fisher made a system work in Tenn. Our coaches came into the season thinking no matter how good a young player is they will not get on the field unless a veteran gets hurt. The Titans had White, Brown and their first round pick the year before in Chris Henry. The best players play regardless. AHenry was another example. He played ok but nothing spectacular. The starting dbs should had been Newman, Scandrick with Mike Jenkins as the 3rd db. I can go on too.

Phillps couldnt of benched Romo because there was no one behind him. We need to bring in a QB like Byron Leftwich to put some pressure on him. Next year if he messes up he needs to be pulled. In closing just remeber Jimmy Johnson, every player was on edge because they knew if they messed up they would be replaced.
 

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lane;2584730 said:
the difference between us and the eagles are simple.

they have a defense coordinator from hell.

they have an offensive line from hell..

they have brian westbrook who i have the same respect for i had for darrell green from washington.

two of the best players in their position i've ever seen... even though they play for the enemy.

they play as a team.

You nailed it. We have powder puff and Martz Jr.
 

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The difference between us and the Eagles that I saw was how we handle adversity. The Eagles were getting smoked int he first half and between the crowd and some big plays their morale took a big hit. It was reminiscent of our situation in Philly where we had some adversity early and a hostile crowd to boot.

The Eagels plugged it out and came back in the second half playing hard and took the lead. We folded by the second quarter.

Say what you want about Philly but they had every excuse to fold and they refused.

we need that same attitude. We in the past have taken our talent for granted and overlook teams. Instead we need to realize our talent and say to ourselves that if we continue to play hard and stick it out we can stick in any game.

In the immortal words of the Hitchhiker's Guide: Don't Panic.
 

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Philly has owned us for a decade and has 5 visits to the CC game and 1 to the SB while we haven't done anything but disappoint. I hate them but I do envy Reid's abilities. And despite McNabb does appear to choke he is an elite player. So is Westbrook and Dawkins is close as heck. They play STs. They have 'character'. We have 'characters'.

Kudos to the Philly organization. I can hate and admire in the same sentence.
 

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jobberone;2586553 said:
This is gonna sting you. Jerry is the one responsible for letting Brad Johnson be our backup QB.

is he really? or are you trying to find everything to blame on him. in one breath people will blame jerry for keepig brad johnson, in another complain that he doesn't listen to his coaches enough and meddles. which is it, because jerry listened to JG on the fact that brad still had something left....jerry wanted to find another backup QB but JG said brad johnson could still get it done.
 

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HanD;2590459 said:
is he really? or are you trying to find everything to blame on him. in one breath people will blame jerry for keepig brad johnson, in another complain that he doesn't listen to his coaches enough and meddles. which is it, because jerry listened to JG on the fact that brad still had something left....jerry wanted to find another backup QB but JG said brad johnson could still get it done.

Nope. The buck stops there. If Jerry is going to be a strong GM then he must avoid critical mistakes. I 'defended' Brad Johnson until that last game when there were no other excuses. So I likely would have made the same mistake. It truly was a fatal error.

It looks very much like a gamble which almost defines Jerry. It was a ridiculous mistake to make.
 

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FuzzyLumpkins;2588646 said:
The difference between us and the Eagles that I saw was how we handle adversity. The Eagles were getting smoked int he first half and between the crowd and some big plays their morale took a big hit. It was reminiscent of our situation in Philly where we had some adversity early and a hostile crowd to boot.

The Eagels plugged it out and came back in the second half playing hard and took the lead. We folded by the second quarter.

Say what you want about Philly but they had every excuse to fold and they refused.

we need that same attitude. We in the past have taken our talent for granted and overlook teams. Instead we need to realize our talent and say to ourselves that if we continue to play hard and stick it out we can stick in any game.

In the immortal words of the Hitchhiker's Guide: Don't Panic.

Iggles didn't appear to handle adversity too well after AZ took the lead again and got the 2 pt conversion.
The only reason philthy got back into the game is because a mostly young, playoff-inexperienced AZ team pretty much went to sleep in the 3rd quarter. Iggles are very, very lucky they weren't down by 30+ at halftime and had the game stopped by a doctor. The much 'vaunted' Iggles D was getting cut up that bad.
And we all saw what happens when Fatnabb has to pick up the slack. He isn't capable of closing the deal.
 

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jobberone;2590484 said:
Nope. The buck stops there. If Jerry is going to be a strong GM then he must avoid critical mistakes. I 'defended' Brad Johnson until that last game when there were no other excuses. So I likely would have made the same mistake. It truly was a fatal error.

It looks very much like a gamble which almost defines Jerry. It was a ridiculous mistake to make.

except for the fact that it is a lose lose situation because of cowboy fans. he listens to his coaches and he loses, he overrides them in this case and he is still crucified. make up your mind.
 

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lewpac;2584737 said:
Another thing about Dallas and the Eagles, is that any time now, both teams will be sitting at home without a trophy. That's the bottom line. I don't care if the Eagles beat the "mighty" Cardinals and go the SB. They WILL lose the last game they play every season.

The farther the season extends for the Eagles, the sweeter the loss.

Another difference between the Cowboys and the Eagles is that little pesky thing about FIVE RINGS VS. NO RINGS. Yeah, that's a little thing, but it IS A DIFFERENCE...........

Don't mention "The Dallas Cowboys" and "The Eagles" again in the same breath please. It's indecorous, disrespectful, and lacks merit. Mention the "Eagles" in conversations about the Vikings, Bills, and Seahawks. But please, leave them out of any honest conversation about the Dallas Cowboys......................

WOW. Talk about your unabated arrogance. What's the matter with you? I think you belong in the bandwagon Patriot fan section and even then, they aren't this bad.

I realize that every fanbase has their bad apples, but dude ...
 

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the only difference between us and Philadelphia is we went home 3 weeks earlier.
 

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5 NFC championships in 8 years. Number speak for themselves. If Mcnabb was slightly a better QB they prolly would had won 2 by now because there defenses are always at the top of the food chain. Yesterdays game was a dead even game. Yes, a even game. The only difference is Warner played almost a perfect game where Mcnabb had guys wide open in the first half and missed them. The Hank Basket play is a big example; he probably would had scored there.

Just like I stated from the begining the real main difference is pass protection. Arizona barley got a hand on Mcnabb. The Eagles always keep there backs into block and when recievers arent open they sneak out of the backfield. Westbrook had a 30 yard catch like this yesterday. We just keep our 5 lineman in and hope they block whoevers coming. That scheme needs to change.
 

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Oh Yes... Philthy were amazing this season. Yadda Yadda
9-6-1 and lucky to make the playoffs as the 6 seed.

We should do our best to copy everything they do.
 

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casmith07;2590829 said:
the only difference between us and Philadelphia is we went home 3 weeks earlier.

Yeah but at least their fans got to feel some playoff excitement, 5 out of 8 years.

Would rather have that, than sit around shining up our 5, which are starting to become ancient history.
 

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playmakers;2584723 said:
I live in Philly and the differences can easily be picked out.

1. Training Camp

The Eagles this year ran probably the most physical camp. Guys were in pads and hitting from day one and continued all the way to the week before the season started. In our camp we werent in pads as much as other teams. Matter in fact I think we could of held the record for least amount of time in pads and hitting. Why is this important? This shows who the contenders and who the pretenders are. We could see early who will quit or complian about the intesity of camp. I would go out on a limb and say we would get some quitters. I can see Tank whining about the need not to get beat up before the season starts. Spears would come up with a phantom injury along with other players, etc. Point being, the whiners and guys that wont make it through a rough camp you should consider getting rid of. These are the guys who wont get the job done when their tired in the 4th quarter when you need to put the extra effort in. We have too many of these players. A tough camp will make the locker room chemistry killers jump to the head of the class in the preseason rather than in week 17. Those players that leaked the information in week 15 about TO would of leaked info to Ed Werder in week 2 of training camp about its too hard. Maybe then we could of cleaned up the mess rather than after the season. True character comes out when your beat up and tired rather than when your in and ill use the quote "camp cupcake."

You nailed it.
They pratice as hard and tackle to the ground as much or more than any team. During the Reid tenure, this team's had as many injuries in practice as they've had in games. But it makes them harder and is why they've finish so strong most seasons.
No SB's and that's a black mark for sure. But I believe this falls mostly on McNabb's inconsistent play. It really hurts them over and over when they get deep and face the stiffest competition.
But check out their DEC/JAN record. It's the best in football over the past 10 years. Not one losing Dec, and not one first round playoff loss. That speks to their conditioning and toughness.
This is a very important change in A/P that we need to make and it wont be easy. We need a few new task master type assistant coaches to impliment this tougher work/practice routine.

2. Play calling

If you notice when the Eagles went on there streak they did so by pass protection. The Eagles I beileve gave up the least amount of sacks this year. Why? The Eagles always keep 9 into block and let two recievers work down the field. An example of this is when Buckhalter caught that 58 yarder on us. He stayed into block and when he blocked for about 4-5 seconds he leaked out and Mcnabb hit him. The Eagles always do this. Westbrook in the 2nd Giant game is another example where he leaked out after staying into block and beat Pierce for a 55 yard td. Now if you compare this to us there is really no comparison. We always send 3-4-5 guys out in pass routes and the oline has no help whatsoever. Speed rushers kill us because when they blow pass our slow tackles, instead of having a back or in the eagles case back's into help out, there in a short pass route thats worth nothing. Its small things like this is the difference between winning and losing.
They do their fair share of max protect, but they also put 4 guys out for passes as well. They just have a good OL and better depth. They've lost starting OL players as often as us, their backups have simply faired better than ours.
No magic formula, we simply need to improve our OL depth.

3. Coaching

Eagles let Desean Jackson play from day one and he changed the face of that team. We didnt even give Felix the ball once in the Commander game. Not only this it was a struggle every week in giving him touches. If Felix didnt get hurt it might had been a frustrating season because we wouldnt use him. I still say if he stayed healthy we should had used him and barber like the Titans did with Johnson and White. Felix needs to start next year and Barber needs to come in as a sub and pound people. Like it or not but I think that would give us the most successful chance. Only problem is we dont have anybody on our team that has the guts to pull that off. Desean Jackson would be Stanbach if he was on this team. Miles Austin is a player but he cant stay healthy and the coaches never use him. Put Miles on SF and see what he does. Every time that guy gets his chance he always gets open. Remember the Raven game when Romo overthrew him. Just the small things.
Reid actually has a history of not utilizing rookies well. They simply hit the jackpot with D.Jackson. He has off the charts type talent. Speed, quickness and natural ball skills. But he's a idiot and didn't take in the play book well. We can only hope that continues.


The good news is we absolutely have more talent than them and more importantly a better QB.
If we work the team harder, we'll be fine.
 
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