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great point. a lot of Dak haters want to only make it about the QB, because that's all they want to talk about. they added 20 FAs last year and pretty much a new team. Armstrong was a nobody in Dallas, and he had two sacks of Goff in the division game. and to your point, Rams went to superbowl with Goff, literally losing in the end of the game to the Goat. so good enough team to go that far, Stafford was just slightly better than Goff. and if an Elite QB is all one needs, then Stafford should have had a couple of rings in Detroit.
At least us Dak (haters) are consistent in our opinion. You tend to flip/flop, or more accurately pay 'lip service' to being critical of Dak and then follow up with your (somewhat covert) support of him with comments like: 'its not just the QB's fault', 'it's not Dak's fault he got the contract' 'other players are as responsible', 'that's just the price of a QB'. Even in this thread you're distracting away from the gulf between Daniels and Dak (during this season) and that the main reason for the disparity in the two organizations is the ownership/coaching....well maybe so, but the first thing those new owners/coaches would do in Dallas is look at 2025 as a 'show me' watershed season about how Dak performs with a view to, if he fails, or doesnt show enough as a leader (that befits such a large CAP%), he gets Post-June cut in 2026 and we properly follow the Commanders model.
 

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At least us Dak (haters) are consistent in our opinion. You tend to flip/flop, or more accurately pay 'lip service' to being critical of Dak and then follow up with your (somewhat covert) support of him with comments like: 'its not just the QB's fault', 'it's not Dak's fault he got the contract' 'other players are as responsible', 'that's just the price of a QB'. Even in this thread you're distracting away from the gulf between Daniels and Dak (during this season) and that the main reason for the disparity in the two organizations is the ownership/coaching....well maybe so, but the first thing those new owners/coaches would do in Dallas is look at 2025 as a 'show me' watershed season about how Dak performs with a view to, if he fails, or doesnt show enough as a leader (that befits such a large CAP%), he gets Post-June cut in 2026 and we properly follow the Commanders model.
you are consistently false, so then there is that.....but living in the little sliver of <1% reality, doesn't make it the facts and truth.

I don't give lip service. I am just not like you. as I said and thanks for proving me right, if anyone doesn't incessently, 365x7x24x60x60 bash Dak, then they are giving lip service and they are Dak fans or whatever else these extreme dak hate group comes up with.

and I didn't dismiss Daniels impact on Washington. your comment again is at the extreme. where in your haste to bash Dak, you have given all, 100% of credit to Daniels for Washington Success, I have mentioned, he was part of it, change in ownership, culture, coaches, GM and 20 new players on the roster had something to do with it. but nah, you want to bash Dak, in your simple mind, I give all credit to another QB, thus you can bash Dak.

do you think if Daniels was QB here, we would be in the NFCCG? tell me if this organization with Jerry at the helm can succeed?

Dak is limited. no one has argued otherwise. but total piece of ****...he is not. and funny thing is all your extremist Dak haters, haven't given a single alternative to what we should do to resolve the issue. you just display severe jealousy and say hey look over there....

so do me a favor. put your name next to a college QB you want in this draft, we have the 12th pick. tell us how to trade up to get him. and then we can keep track of that response and get back to it in a few years. but nah...it doesn't fit your agenda. you are just one angry person who just like to spew stuff and your target is Dak.
 

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you are consistently false, so then there is that.....but living in the little sliver of <1% reality, doesn't make it the facts and truth.

I don't give lip service. I am just not like you. as I said and thanks for proving me right, if anyone doesn't incessently, 365x7x24x60x60 bash Dak, then they are giving lip service and they are Dak fans or whatever else these extreme dak hate group comes up with.

and I didn't dismiss Daniels impact on Washington. your comment again is at the extreme. where in your haste to bash Dak, you have given all, 100% of credit to Daniels for Washington Success, I have mentioned, he was part of it, change in ownership, culture, coaches, GM and 20 new players on the roster had something to do with it. but nah, you want to bash Dak, in your simple mind, I give all credit to another QB, thus you can bash Dak.

do you think if Daniels was QB here, we would be in the NFCCG? tell me if this organization with Jerry at the helm can succeed?

Dak is limited. no one has argued otherwise. but total piece of ****...he is not. and funny thing is all your extremist Dak haters, haven't given a single alternative to what we should do to resolve the issue. you just display severe jealousy and say hey look over there....

so do me a favor. put your name next to a college QB you want in this draft, we have the 12th pick. tell us how to trade up to get him. and then we can keep track of that response and get back to it in a few years. but nah...it doesn't fit your agenda. you are just one angry person who just like to spew stuff and your target is Dak.
That post again shows your leaning to support Dak....you think by saying 'DAK IS LIMITED' is you being fair and impartial, but you have to go on and on in a pseudo support or criticism of the alternatives.
WHEN HAVE I EVER SAID DRAFTING A QB IN 2025? I haven't, but here's the plan....
1) Dak is under center in 2025.
2) This is a 'show me' year FOR EVERYONE, it's going to be a young team, with a new coach.
3) We need to realistically STOP with this idea of Restructering 100m... when that's a short term plaster. Don't waste CAP on 2/3 year contracts, as that's our window to compete.
4) Free Agency -look to elite LT. Poss. Robinson or Stanley,
5) Draft DT, running game. I'd even seriously considering drafting out of the 1st Rd for 2026 draft capital (especially if we can get another 1st RD).
6) Evaluate Dak on the season. Can he work with less....to be fair with his contract, CD, Micah (extension), Tyler (extension) and a LT (see pt 4) and a 2nd/3Rd RB ....he's not going to get a massive influx of talent....so the next improvement has to come from him.
7) If we fail again, then cutting Dak as a Post June cut is a very serious consideration....rather than add the $140m extra via the addition Base Salary.
8) if we've gone and drafted out of this 1st draft pick, it'll give us two 1st Rd picks in 2026....that's when we see us drafting a QB.
9) the alternative is that Dak can manage this younger roster and we proceed as normal.
 

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That post again shows your leaning to support Dak....you think by saying 'DAK IS LIMITED' is you being fair and impartial, but you have to go on and on in a pseudo support or criticism of the alternatives.
WHEN HAVE I EVER SAID DRAFTING A QB IN 2025? I haven't, but here's the plan....
1) Dak is under center in 2025.
2) This is a 'show me' year FOR EVERYONE, it's going to be a young team, with a new coach.
3) We need to realistically STOP with this idea of Restructering 100m... when that's a short term plaster. Don't waste CAP on 2/3 year contracts, as that's our window to compete.
4) Free Agency -look to elite LT. Poss. Robinson or Stanley,
5) Draft DT, running game. I'd even seriously considering drafting out of the 1st Rd for 2026 draft capital (especially if we can get another 1st RD).
6) Evaluate Dak on the season. Can he work with less....to be fair with his contract, CD, Micah (extension), Tyler (extension) and a LT (see pt 4) and a 2nd/3Rd RB ....he's not going to get a massive influx of talent....so the next improvement has to come from him.
7) If we fail again, then cutting Dak as a Post June cut is a very serious consideration....rather than add the $140m extra via the addition Base Salary.
8) if we've gone and drafted out of this 1st draft pick, it'll give us two 1st Rd picks in 2026....that's when we see us drafting a QB.
9) the alternative is that Dak can manage this younger roster and we proceed as normal.
again, you are fishing. thanks for once again proving my point. I didn't just dump on Dak, and you say I am supporting him. the 1% extremist Dak haters are so predictable. like you just confirmed, I called him limited and you took issue with that, because you want me to just dump dump dump. If I don't say, he sucks, aboslutely horrible, piss of crap QB to the Nth degree, then I am a supporter or as you tried to invent a new category, called Pseudo supporter (what in the hell does that even mean!!!). that's pretty stupid.

btw, I didn't say draft is the only option, perhaps my assumption because what other alternatives are there?, given the one precenters want to draft draft draft as I have heard mentioned often.... you mention Daniels and fawn & drool over him, look at what he did for washington, then should I assume you are not talking draft? ok, lets go other alternatives. what do you got!? I mean I asked for a plan. given nothing is really out in FA, then what other options are there? UDFA perhaps.

and why why why why even have 2025 as "show me" year. you dump on him, accuse me of being a supporter because I am not incessantly dumping on him, yet you still want a "show me year"? what is there to show? what else you want to see given you are 130% convinced he is not it. and why do you need to prove to anybody else anything? are you looking to win an argument for those who support him (or the ones that don't dump on him 1000% of the time)? is that your ultimate goal? ...given you want a "show me" year for EVERYONE as you highlighted. you want to evaluate Dak with less talent around him!!!! why? how the heck does that make sense....if you think he had talent around him and couldn't, now you want less talent to evaluate what!!!? that made zero sense coming from you as a one percenter....., when everyone including myself says, he needs a good supporting cast.

what you said there is "lets set him up to fail", then "I showed you he can't"...."so now I proved you wrong"..........which is again, not benefiting cowboys but your point of argument and winning an argument being your ultimate goal. you want to prove to EVERYONE you are right.

I am on record this past summer advocating not to resign Dak. get through the contract in 24, and then move on. if there is a big market for him, then great, let him walk. if you, we, others are convinced he is not the guy, then why waste a "show me year" or resign him. I said, its beneficial for both. Dak is not going to win in dallas. for that matter, I don't think anyone is going to win in dallas as long as jerry is in charge.

the rest of what you said is hypothetical, trade out of 1st, not add talent, and then lets see what happens, now draft a QB in the first in 26 because we have two firsts....

and all of this is moot, why? because Jerry is not doing any of that. Jerry is making money off of Dak and that's Jerry's ultimate goal. when you see it from Jerry's eyes, Dak makes a lot of sense for him.
 
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again, you are fishing. thanks for once again proving my point.

I am on record this past summer advocating not to resign Dak. get through the contract in 24, and then move on. if there is a big market for him, then great, let him walk. if you, we, others are convinced he is not the guy, then why waste a "show me year" or resign him. I said, its beneficial for both. Dak is not going to win in dallas. for that matter, I don't think anyone is going to win in dallas as long as jerry is in charge.
Proving which of your points??? I think we should move on from Dak....YOU YOURSELF JUST AGREED (see bold).

So what on earth are you arguing about. What ive pointed out is that the best way, if Dak cant show a marked improvement from his 2024 form, during this next season, is to Post-June cut him in 2026. Dont think i'm singling him out: Steele and Diggs are also potential candidates for being cut. All im saying is that 2025 is a 'show me', otherwise start again. From those cherry-picked CAP you're always quoting you obviously think we should throw CAP into trying to compete.....im more eager to see whether Dak has something to warrant the payment.....or whether we start again.
 

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Proving which of your points??? I think we should move on from Dak....YOU YOURSELF JUST AGREED (see bold).

So what on earth are you arguing about. What ive pointed out is that the best way, if Dak cant show a marked improvement from his 2024 form, during this next season, is to Post-June cut him in 2026. Dont think i'm singling him out: Steele and Diggs are also potential candidates for being cut. All im saying is that 2025 is a 'show me', otherwise start again. From those cherry-picked CAP you're always quoting you obviously think we should throw CAP into trying to compete.....im more eager to see whether Dak has something to warrant the payment.....or whether we start again.
proving the point that I said Dak is limited and you labeling me Pseudo Dak Fan (what the heck does that even mean). Why? because I just didn't unload on dak like you want everyone to do.

and my question to you: Why do you want a "Show me year". what's the purpose of "show me" year. in your mind he sucks. he is garbage. etc. so what does that show and prove exactly? and to whom?
and its funny. you unload on Dak (and then anyone who doesn't support your point of view). you say he sucks. you say he can't get it done. you say he has had resources around him and couldn't do it. now lets give him less and then "show me"? how the heck does that even make sense?

my point about the Cap is, that its not a show stopper for Jerry to be able to sign FAs we need. yet he is using it as an excuse. other teams in similar cap situations are signing FAs and competing...now, Dak sucks and can't get it done....ok, lets go with that, but don't tell me cap is an issue that cowboys can't over come and not able to sign FAs
 

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I’m reading some of these posts and I wonder if some of you get it.

1) Daniels has more playoff wins than Dak and is going to his 1st championship game, Dak will never see one.
2) the Washington culture has players that will run through walls for their team and coach. That gets results… someone asked Demarcus Lawrence if he’s coming back… the answer was if they pay me!…
3) DQ has done more in 1 year at the helm of the commanders than the cowboys in the last 30 and counting
4) do any of you think the next HC is going to straighten the ship
5) Jerry is the problem… period he does not care win or lose… but hey keep going to the games, buying the merch and keep the cowboys number 1 on Forbes….
That’s all he cares about…

You want change? You want the cowboys to be relevant again?

Then remain fans from a distance, stop buying merchandise, watching or attending games… when the numbers go down and they will…
JJ will move mountains to get them back there…

Or do nothing and continue to share your views and opinions, knowing full well nothing will change and it will be the same year in and year out.
Oh and those of you hoping Jerry dies things will change… Stephen is worse…
The TLDR version should read:

Washington has new ownership and GM...Dallas still has JJ and family.
 

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proving the point that I said Dak is limited and you labeling me Pseudo Dak Fan (what the heck does that even mean). Why? because I just didn't unload on dak like you want everyone to do.

and my question to you: Why do you want a "Show me year". what's the purpose of "show me" year. in your mind he sucks. he is garbage. etc. so what does that show and prove exactly? and to whom?
and its funny. you unload on Dak (and then anyone who doesn't support your point of view). you say he sucks. you say he can't get it done. you say he has had resources around him and couldn't do it. now lets give him less and then "show me"? how the heck does that even make sense?

my point about the Cap is, that its not a show stopper for Jerry to be able to sign FAs we need. yet he is using it as an excuse. other teams in similar cap situations are signing FAs and competing...now, Dak sucks and can't get it done....ok, lets go with that, but don't tell me cap is an issue that cowboys can't over come and not able to sign FAs
A "show me" because:
1) not even our imbecileic owner would cut a player before his extension even kicks in.
2) it will cost $150m to cut him (or $90m to post June him) in 2025.
3) we may as well get something from him, make him.
 

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A "show me" because:
1) not even our imbecileic owner would cut a player before his extension even kicks in.
2) it will cost $150m to cut him (or $90m to post June him) in 2025.
3) we may as well get something from him, make him.
our owner doesn't cut anyone until their contracts end.
his contract is hard to get out of without massive hits, but our imbecile owner now feels we are close at 7-10 and blames injuries
if you don't think he is any good, what do you expect to get out of him. you get less when you give him less.
 

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if you don't think he is any good, what do you expect to get out of him. you get less when you give him less.
Because, he'll never get another 2023 roster and even that wasn't sufficient, in part to his inability to play as a shoot-out QB.
I'm not expecting more from Dak, indeed he is what he is, a QB that struggles when behind in the count....what he can prove in 2025 (behind a limited talent) is that he's at least worth s chance in the remaining years, because at the moment throwing CAP money is futile when your QB is just too resource needy and we're so far from a deep run in the play-offs.
I've answered your questions, I throw it back to you, what do you do?
 

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Because, he'll never get another 2023 roster and even that wasn't sufficient, in part to his inability to play as a shoot-out QB.
I'm not expecting more from Dak, indeed he is what he is, a QB that struggles when behind in the count....what he can prove in 2025 (behind a limited talent) is that he's at least worth s chance in the remaining years, because at the moment throwing CAP money is futile when your QB is just too resource needy and we're so far from a deep run in the play-offs.
I've answered your questions, I throw it back to you, what do you do?
and what are the chances of him proving he can, with less talent around him, and older and what he couldn't do before.
so 2025 is a wasted year. then cut dak, take hit and move on.

but Jerry won't do that. if we have a 10 win season, he will pound the popularity and make money and if Dak sells Jerseys and is in the top 20. he is not going anywhere.

you have to come to realization that cowboys and jerry jones aren't about winning as a top priority. they are a marketing machine.

in order for jerry to relinquish control, we need three 5-12, 4-13 type seasons and empty seats, then he will make changes, because then his pockets get hit directly and he has to invest in real football people. not until then.
I think this team has enough talent to be anywhere from 7-10 to 10-7 and that's good enough for jerry.

what would I do? I build inside out, draft a true LT in the first round, cut steele and move Guyton to the right side. now you have strength as OL.
if Graham, starts to fall for whatever reason, then trade up to get him. draft a LT in second round.
resign Osa. get a FA saftey because what we have is total garbage. then draft RB in round 3 because this draft is deep in RBs. Dowdle is servicable, but not a difference maker. having another RB to platoon, would be good.
I wouldn't draft Jeanty, but my suspicion is that Jerry will if he is there, because just imagine how many jerseys he could sell. that would be his next zeke.
 

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Jerry, this is the reaction Cowboy fans have had for 30 years thinking about you :facepalm:
 

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and what are the chances of him proving he can, with less talent around him, and older and what he couldn't do before.
so 2025 is a wasted year. then cut dak, take hit and move on.
I wouldnt be running the Franchise for the benefit of the QB. At $60m per I want him to do something to improve the team. Either way 2025 IS a wasted year, even if they restructure $100m (which you frequently advocate). Im quite willing to cut him in 2025, but that's not happening.
in order for jerry to relinquish control, we need three 5-12, 4-13 type seasons and empty seats, then he will make changes, because then his pockets get hit directly and he has to invest in real football people. not until then.
I think Dak can easily get us to 4-13....and yes this is the only way Jerry'll relinquish all decision making. This is the essence of teaching Jerry a lesson, he made the disastrous decision to offer that contract, so he needs to suffer along with Dak (for not seeing the advantage of a longer contract). Indeed, Dak is facing losing out on $140m if he's post-June cut in 2026, lets see how that effects his performance.
I think this team has enough talent to be anywhere from 7-10 to 10-7 and that's good enough for jerry.
But, it's not good enough for us, so WHY CONTINUE RINSING AND REPEATING. We need to start again and reach higher, that's not behind a 32 year old QB, that's on elite money, composure and mobility issues..... at QB we are everything The Comms arent.
 

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Two decisions that would have made a huge difference is keeping Quinn as the HC and signing King Henry to be our lead RB. Schotty could have called plays as the OC and Mike McCarthy would be long gone.
 

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I wouldnt be running the Franchise for the benefit of the QB. At $60m per I want him to do something to improve the team. Either way 2025 IS a wasted year, even if they restructure $100m (which you frequently advocate). Im quite willing to cut him in 2025, but that's not happening.

I think Dak can easily get us to 4-13....and yes this is the only way Jerry'll relinquish all decision making. This is the essence of teaching Jerry a lesson, he made the disastrous decision to offer that contract, so he needs to suffer along with Dak (for not seeing the advantage of a longer contract). Indeed, Dak is facing losing out on $140m if he's post-June cut in 2026, lets see how that effects his performance.

But, it's not good enough for us, so WHY CONTINUE RINSING AND REPEATING. We need to start again and reach higher, that's not behind a 32 year old QB, that's on elite money, composure and mobility issues..... at QB we are everything The Comms arent.
the restructures are to sign FAs, very similar to what Philly did, very similar to what detroit did, very similar to what the rams did, etc. that's what teams do.

to get to 4-13, we need Dak to get injured and Rush to start. with the tough schedule, 4-13 is guaranteed. we know rush can play against giants and panthers, but mightily struggled against philly, houston,

Dak's contract is 4 years, vs. 5 years for all the other QBs who signed similar sized contracts....why didn't booger just add a bogus year at the end? why not make it a 5 year contract. talk to booger about that one.

we need to get down to the dumps, have top 3 pick. and get lucky a good QB class be available, vs. Turbiskey or Bryce young type players. it takes a bit of luck in the top 5, a 50/50 luck.

but to Jerry's view, Dak a top 10 jersey sales in 23, team 12-5, stadium is full, low dead cap, 28th in cap spend. cha ching, that's all that matters.
 

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It is blatantly obvious that the Commanders are playing better together than we have.......and when you do that.....good things happen. We, on the other hand, mask the flaws and lack of reasonable depth (look at our young CB depth in comparison to Commanders & Eagles), team speed, WR group dependent solely on our #1 guy, RB group (thank goodness Dowdle stayed healthy), and excuse after excuse to simply pinpoint just one player for all the missteps.........we are a bad franchise operating with a funny coaching selection process right now. Thank the oldest GM and the people upstairs.
 

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the restructures are to sign FAs, very similar to what Philly did, very similar to what detroit did, very similar to what the rams did, etc. that's what teams do.
We did, upto and including the 2023 season. The problem is both Detroit/Phill are willing to boom and bust and will trade veterans.....Jerry won't, he just extends, which stretches the Void Money ..... as with Dak's $40m restructured money in 2025.
OUR WINDOW FOR SUCCESS WAS THE 12-5 seasons......2025 IS THE RESET......JERRY SIGNS DAK TO MAKE FANS THINK HE'S Trying.
to get to 4-13, we need Dak to get injured and Rush to start. with the tough schedule, 4-13 is guaranteed. we know rush can play against giants and panthers, but mightily struggled against philly, houston,

Dak's contract is 4 years, vs. 5 years for all the other QBs who signed similar sized contracts....why didn't booger just add a bogus year at the end? why not make it a 5 year contract. talk to booger about that one.
A fair few of us think, without spending CAP and with him not able to scramble....Daks quite capable of getting us to 4-13.
As for the contract (which yet again shows your somewhat limited appreciation of financial dealings):
A)'A Bogus year' as you called it (assuming you mean Void year), doesn't mean the players under contract, it's just that you can spread bonus into 5 years (for info, there are Void Years).
B) which one: Dak or Jerry would probably of wanted the shorter contract???? Clue is he wanted thd shorter contract last time to hit the market again.....unfortunately he's probably not getting another contract and losing $140m (in his pocket) when someone tells Jerry that that's coming out of his pocket into Daks from 2026.
Dak's either turning in 2023 regular season stats ( Without the roster) or he's gone. There is no way Jerry wastes CAP on the two/three year second tier FA contracts, when he's not even sure of his QB.
We can dream of elite FA's, but why on earth would they come to this mess?
 
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