Different Coach. Same Team!

heir said:
Yes. It is just pre-season. The games don't mean anything. Your win-loss record means nothing at all. What does matter though, is how the team plays.

Talked all off-season so far about culture, physicality and discipline, yet showed none of that in this game. The worst thing I saw was your All-Pro WR getting trucked by a ref and getting a 15 yard penalty for basically being on the field. Then he gets up and players and coaches are just laughing with him. It was embarrassing to watch.

This is not the end of Brian Schottenheimer. He is just getting started but I wasn't impressed at all. Hopefully he turns it around.
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Same owner. We already knew you can change the head coach a million times and this team will be the same. Even QB’s, Romo to Prescott same results. Why? Jerrah
 
It’s way more likely he fails, than succeeds. It was an embarrassing hire from my perspective. Usually Jerry tries to mimic league tendencies (finding young hot coordinators and promoting them to HC in this case) but with his own ego injected into the decision making process, which means the dude has to be controllable, first and foremost. That’s the first initial step in the coaching search algorithm and he’s only deviated from that twice. So that greatly limits your field of candidates. This is one of many areas where his conservative thinking fails him, but his ego is the priority so it doesn’t matter to him ultimately. At least with JG, he WAS a hot young coordinator when he was first promoted. It was smoke and mirrors, but he was looked at as a viable coordinator who had earned his stripes to be a HC.

Schottenheimer? It was a lazy choice with absolutely no professional justification behind it. It was a “we like our guys” approach. Completely conservative, just like they run their cap, because it was an EASY decision. Jerry and Stephen aren’t just conservative in their outlook on how they run the franchise because they are genuinely cheap, stupid, and lacking in dynamism and creativity. Those are all part of it. Another variable is they are LAZY and being conservative in your decision making is the EASIEST path. Instead of doing a deep and robust search, let’s just promote from within!! It’s done faster, less work, and Jerry gets the added benefit of claiming to be a genius if it miraculously works out.
 
Hawkeye19 said:
For perspective— Dan Campbell’s first year in Detroit was 3-13-1 and then he went 9-8.

You may be overreacting a smidge based on a preseason game.

Schotty is the hire. You may have wanted someone else. But at least give the guy an honest period of work before evaluating him in totality.

A first time HC is gonna at least get 2-3 years to try and establish his culture. Rome wasn’t built in a day lol
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This is Cowboyszone, we don’t do logic here. We prefer letting our feelings do the talking.
 
heir said:
Yes. It is just pre-season. The games don't mean anything. Your win-loss record means nothing at all. What does matter though, is how the team plays.

Talked all off-season so far about culture, physicality and discipline, yet showed none of that in this game. The worst thing I saw was your All-Pro WR getting trucked by a ref and getting a 15 yard penalty for basically being on the field. Then he gets up and players and coaches are just laughing with him. It was embarrassing to watch.

This is not the end of Brian Schottenheimer. He is just getting started but I wasn't impressed at all. Hopefully he turns it around.
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just stop!! making yourself look bad maybe it's the end of your posting...LOL
 
Reid1boys said:
ugh... are you ten? is this the first year you have watched football? Not much more to say to this nonsense.
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Oh you're dead on about that this guy is so off base It wasn't a great showing but it's not a reflection on the head coach and bringing up Lamb getting hit on the sideline maybe he hasn't seen that happen in a regular season game with other teams sometimes you just forget where you're at on the sideline And it wouldn't be the first or the last time that a ref gets interfered with... They were only laughing because it was a preseason game and it doesn't count and nobody got hurt it's a learning lesson I bet it doesn't happen again the Lamb.

They act like these coaches can control every aspect of the game but when you have that many number threes and fours out on the field at the same time which is what it looked like they almost had no starters in there at all and very few sprinkled in number twos and you're going to expect things to look clean and smooth...

Yes it it bad it was a preseason game number one and you learn from it this is what they're evaluating they will look at this differently than the fans.. Well breakdown film and find out who did things right even if it was a failed play they'll find out where you in the right spot that you hit the right hole were you in position And they'll find out who needs more work and who doesn't that's what this is for they're trying to find the depth they're trying to find the guys that can help in roles coming up this year because most of the starting spots are filled up already most of the number twos are filled up already...

for the most part those guys weren't on the field... I'm not making excuses it did look it looked bad it looked chaotic But there were a lot of good things you could take out of that game if you're looking at it just from individual players and not how the team played there's gonna be a lot of things we don't know of who was supposed to do what that is why they will breakdown film and they will address this in practice They will make them watch all the things they did wrong and hope they improve on it because there's about 35 players that are not making this team after the last preseason game and then they'll be looking to replace about five of those with better players they may find off of other cut downs or for A small trade...

That's how I evaluate preseason and yes it was a mess of a start I think they played better as the game went on but it was a bad game all the way around but you can take positives from this if you don't look at this like a fan watching a real game...

Fan will never understand what they're going to do with all this film They will definitely know who did well and who didn't even if it wasn't apparent to the fan base and they will try to improve those players through practice and then see what they do next pre-season game that is exactly what this is all about....
 
It is just the first preseason game but I agree with you. The Rams looked more disciplined, played more like a team, and were much more physical than the Cowboys. That was obvious. But I have to ask, shouldn't a new head coach have his team better prepared even for the 1st pre-season game?

If the Cowboys look the same next week, will more people start thinking about Schottenheimer?
 
Hawkeye19 said:
For perspective— Dan Campbell’s first year in Detroit was 3-13-1 and then he went 9-8.

You may be overreacting a smidge based on a preseason game.

Schotty is the hire. You may have wanted someone else. But at least give the guy an honest period of work before evaluating him in totality.

A first time HC is gonna at least get 2-3 years to try and establish his culture. Rome wasn’t built in a day lol
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I am not over reacting to the preseason game. I'm chillin. Cool as a fan. I don't care about what the final score was. I care about how the team actually plays. Are there penalties? Are they moving the ball? How are they on both lines of scrimmage. THAT is what is important in preseason games. None of it looked good last night. Which is fine since it is game 1. Hopefully he improves and the team does as well.
 
Something is very wrong here. Every year just looks like the year before. I guess you just get what you pay for, and that seems to be the common thread, year after year. Brilliant.
 
Creeper said:
It is just the first preseason game but I agree with you. The Rams looked more disciplined, played more like a team, and were much more physical than the Cowboys. That was obvious. But I have to ask, shouldn't a new head coach have his team better prepared even for the 1st pre-season game?

If the Cowboys look the same next week, will more people start thinking about Schottenheimer?
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No they won't if they do they're mistaken and don't know how this works the man is a first year head coach but he's also the first time Dallas head coach with his 1st offseason installing his coaching staff and getting things worked out There might be some up and downs this year but I'm only judging him in games real games these are evaluation games they mean nothing in the grand scheme of things i've seen some of the worst teams in the league go undefeated in preseason and then poop the bed in the regular season they mean nothing I don't care how well it looks or doesn't look in the preseason..

There's no carryover anybody who judges anything in preseason is ridiculous and most coaches need more than one year I brought this up before why are we doing this dan Campbell and Nick Seriani both We're long shots they came out of nowhere there were hirings they were not being sought after head coaches and they both struggled early dan Campbell had a horrible first year And yet they kept him and now look?

They have overreacted and Nick Serrani there was talk that he was going to be fired He wasn't getting along with Roseman or the owner and the players didn't like him you remember all those rumors and now the dudes a Super Bowl champion because they gave him time they gave him things to be successful with and if you're going to argue that point please don't do it because you are going to make yourself look bad don't get on board with these ridiculous threads..

Brian Schottenheimer needs at least two to three seasons to get everything in his vision in place and then if things haven't changed then you move on That's how it works that's how it should work it's the same thing in college when you get your first group of new Freshmans or you get AA new coach you have to be able to then grow that team into your vision..

Isn't always an immediate success and I just showed you some examples, so this is beyond ridiculous saying are we going to look at Brian Schottenheimer for the way things have looked in pre-season with a hush posh full of backups?

Again, there might even be some up and sounds during the regular season, but he needs time to get his vision implemented You can't purge the teams from the past on the old coaching Staffs they're on those players and schemes it takes a while to get the things going the way you hoped they would...

I mean II can give you the flip side of that coin I mean if he absolutely looks lost and it's the most horrible head coach we've ever seen he might get fired after year one I mean I'm pretty sure New England did that but it's rare you usually give your coach time but if there's signs that he doesn't have the team the the players don't like him he doesn't look like he can coach himself out of a wet paper bag yeah there might be a chance he doesn't make it after year one but I doubt it that's not what I've seen from this guy but he needs some time you all are ridiculous talk about well if he didn't improve in the second pre-season game maybe we hate on him even more...


ughh
 
Jerry's ego means that he blames MM rather than himself for not winning a SB recently. Shotty is JJ coaching by proxy.
 
big dog cowboy said:
Just be careful not to read too much into it.
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I wish I didn't read some of these ridiculous comments....it's like a car wreck, you don't want to watch, but it's tough. Next, they'll be complaining about their joysticks being to small
......on their play station.
 
Ranching said:
I wish I didn't read some of these ridiculous comments....it's like a car wreck, you don't want to watch, but it's tough. Next, they'll be complaining about their joysticks being to small
......on their play station.
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I kinda agree coach, and you know this better than me....but, when it comes to penalties....does it really matter if it's 1st string or 4th string? Aren't an excessive amount of penalties due to lack of discipline? Is the message being heard by these players? What say you my friend.
 
dupree89 said:
I kinda agree coach, and you know this better than me....but, when it comes to penalties....does it really matter if it's 1st string or 4th string? Aren't an excessive amount of penalties due to lack of discipline? Is the message being heard by these players? What say you my friend.
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Yes, penalties are mental and at this point of the season, hearing a different cadence after the same one, for most of camp is an excuse. Lack of discipline can and will lead to lack of proper technique, scheme management etc.....that needs to be addressed, but to over react and say the new coach sucks, is a lazy assumption.
 
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