Disappointed in Carp ... who would you take instead?

[Eddie]

Hijack the thread.. the guy pointed out where you were wrong and you dismiss it with.. "it doesn't count" and now you're saying that you don't consider them part of the NFC East.

I guess they must be like Notre Dame and be independent and be in a conference all their own huh.

Many people would simply admit that they were wrong in that statement rather than continue to make crap up and continue to look more and more foolish.

I did admit bro. Relax. You're too high strung. I stated I forgot about the Commanders. Sheesh.

You want a formal written announcement?

Ok, JackRussell, I apologize. I forgot the Commanders were part of our division ... though they barely seem it anymore.

How's that?

But what does this have to do with the original thread?

 

[jackrussell]

Hmm, let's think about this one for a sec. What's wrong with the statement that we haven't beaten an NFC East team yet? We haven't. We are what we are ... winless in our own division. You want to argue that point? Go ahead.

Ok, lets do. First of all, your direct quote is "Not going to be easy. We haven't won a game against the NFC yet. We still have Philly and the Giants."

Now last time I checked.....Carolina is in the NFC. And believe it or not, so are the Cardinals. Oh, and I stumbled on this little diddy also....the Commanders are not only in the NFC, but, dont look now, they're in the NFC East!

Secondly, you miss my entire point ... you're so arrogant in your drivel that you fail to see that my point was because of our depth, few of the top impact first rounders would not possibly have the same impact if drafted a Cowboy.

All you read was DISAPPOINTED IN CARP, and you blew your lid.

Blew my lid eh? Looks like you've been taking some lessons from our resident whiner. Actually, I find cliff jumpers like you comical as heck.

But if "few of the top impact first rounders would not possibly have the same impact if drafted a Cowboy," is indeed your point, then why would you be disappointed in Carp? Does he not fall into that same category? (Even though I wouldn't classify him as a 'top impact first rounder'.)

Now, if indeed I'm 'arrogant', perhaps you should go back and clarify your winless against the NFC 'ignorant' statement.

 

[TEK2000]

I did admit bro. Relax. You're too high strung. I stated I forgot about the Commanders. Sheesh.

You want a formal written announcement?

Ok, JackRussell, I apologize. I forgot the Commanders were part of our division ... though they barely seem it anymore.

How's that?

But what does this have to do with the original thread?

I'm too high strung and you're throwing out responses like a win "doesn't count"?

And... where exactly did you STATE that you forgot about the Commanders.
You said "I simply didn't even consider the Skins part of the NFCE".
That's not the same as OOPS I forgot about the Skins game.

If you had said that to begin with... you wouldn't have had to make 3 or 4 posts trying to "backtrack" what you said.

 

[Eddie]

Now, if indeed I'm 'arrogant', perhaps you should go back and clarify your winless against the NFC 'ignorant' statement.

Relax bro. I apologized for that statement already. Sheesh, can't a guy forget about the Commanders?

Shake it easy. My point of the entire thread wasn't to blast Carp or our decision to draft Carp.

But it still doesn't make up for the fact that Carp hasn't seen the field much. Mangold is starting on a once lousy Jets OL and playing well. Laurence Maroney is playing very well on a playoff bound NE team. DeAngelo Williams is starting for a strong Carolina team.

So why can't our 1st rounder play?

But you really can't make the comparison that we let Bradie James sit for 3 years and Tony Romo sit for 4. Those guys came with low expectations, low salaries, and were meant to be groomed.

A first round draft pick needs to at least see the field. In 8 games, we can probably count the number of plays he's been in on our two hands. That's no good for a 1st rounder.

Maybe he'll light it up in the 2nd half of the season. Maybe he'll play well down the line in a few years.

But so far, his play hasn't warranted his draft status.

I'm not sure he was the wrong pick at the time. Nor am I sure he's the wrong pick now. But the wait and see attitude is disappointing.

Defend his inability to move to ILB, but then why draft a LB to play ILB in the 1st round? LB's who are drafted high are those who can apply pressure. Steady ILB's are easily found later in the draft, and just like you pointed out, Bradie James.

I'm simply disappointed. Would like to see more from Carp.

Is that wrong?

 

[big dog cowboy]

Disappointed in Carp ... who would you take instead?

Gosh, has it been 3 years already? Man where does the time go? Anyway, now that we have all seen him play for 3 years it's obvious that we ....... obviously we can't make any judgements on him yet. It's been 9 games. He is a rookie. Carp bashers probably same people who bashed Burnett last year.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Charles Haley would work.

Well since the time has passed and we can not get sherman and peabody to load up the way back machine it really does not matter.

So since it does not matter, and we can not go back in time, I figured I would throw sarge a bone and just say Haley.

 

[pigskin fan]

How about Anthony Fasano? ---->> Ha Ha!!!!

Everybody missed the boat on Marques Closton for the better part of 7 rounds until the Saints nabbed him. He looks like 1st round talent now, so he'd be the obvious choice and then I take someone other than Fasano in the second.

Maroney and William have looked good, but Dallas didn't need another RB, although William could have become our primary KR.

Holmes and Jackson have yet to impress me.

To answer your ?, I'd probably take Lawson (although 2 sacks isn't exactly setting the world on fire) or maybe Tamba Hali. That said they are both being out played by guys taken later in the draft that wouldn't have been considered at this point, Mark Anderson (7 sacks) and Elvis Dumervil (6 sacks). So how about we keep Carp (give him a chance to develop) and take our mulligan in the 4th with the Skyler Green pick and swap him for Anderson or Dumervil?

I would have said Colston, but since he wasn't drafted until the 7th round it would have been reaching to take him at #125.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

How about Anthony Fasano? ---->> Ha Ha!!!!

Everybody missed the boat on Marques Closton for the better part of 7 rounds until the Saints nabbed him. He looks like 1st round talent now, so he'd be the obvious choice and then I take someone other than Fasano in the second.

Maroney and William have looked good, but Dallas didn't need another RB, although William could have become our primary KR.

Holmes and Jackson have yet to impress me.

To answer your ?, I'd probably take Lawson (although 2 sacks isn't exactly setting the world on fire) or maybe Tamba Hali. That said they are both being out played by guys taken later in the draft that wouldn't have been considered at this point, Mark Anderson (7 sacks) and Elvis Dumervil (6 sacks). So how about we keep Carp (give him a chance to develop) and take our mulligan in the 4th with the Skyler Green pick and swap him for Anderson or Dumervil?

I would have said Colston, but since he wasn't drafted until the 7th round it would have been reaching to take him at #125.

great post

and everyone said that Dumervil was too short and too slow, shame on them

 

[Slammin Bran 23]

Carp or Lawson.

 

[BourbonBalz]

Relax bro. I apologized for that statement already. Sheesh, can't a guy forget about the Commanders?

Shake it easy. My point of the entire thread wasn't to blast Carp or our decision to draft Carp.

But it still doesn't make up for the fact that Carp hasn't seen the field much. Mangold is starting on a once lousy Jets OL and playing well. Laurence Maroney is playing very well on a playoff bound NE team. DeAngelo Williams is starting for a strong Carolina team.

So why can't our 1st rounder play?

But you really can't make the comparison that we let Bradie James sit for 3 years and Tony Romo sit for 4. Those guys came with low expectations, low salaries, and were meant to be groomed.

A first round draft pick needs to at least see the field. In 8 games, we can probably count the number of plays he's been in on our two hands. That's no good for a 1st rounder.

Maybe he'll light it up in the 2nd half of the season. Maybe he'll play well down the line in a few years.

But so far, his play hasn't warranted his draft status.

I'm not sure he was the wrong pick at the time. Nor am I sure he's the wrong pick now. But the wait and see attitude is disappointing.

Defend his inability to move to ILB, but then why draft a LB to play ILB in the 1st round? LB's who are drafted high are those who can apply pressure. Steady ILB's are easily found later in the draft, and just like you pointed out, Bradie James.

I'm simply disappointed. Would like to see more from Carp.

Is that wrong?

Do you realize how many first round draft picks don't even see the field very much in their first season, much less make an impact? Let me throw out a few names. Carson Palmer? Steve McNair? Phillip Rivers (2 years)? Jerry Rice? Michael Irvin? Tiki Barber? I could go on and on. These are just a few names that popped in my head. Most players, first round draft picks included, do not make much of an impact at all in their first year. This particularly holds true to a team with a lot of talent.

Not sure if Tiki was a first round pick (pretty sure he wasn't), but he's turned out pretty well.

 

[bbgun]

Well since the time has passed and we can not get sherman and peabody to load up the way back machine it really does not matter.

Underdog was superior.

 

[BourbonBalz]

Want some more first round draft picks that haven't set the world on fire? How about from 2004? They include # 2 Robert Gallery; # 6 Kellen Winslow; # 23 J.P. Losman; etc. How about 2003? # 2 Charles Rogers; # 4 Dwayne Robertson; # 19 Kyle Boller; # 25 William Joseph? 2002? # 17 Phillip Buchanon? I could go on and on. The bottom line is, like I said, most rookies don't make much of an impact, if any. Go back and look at the drafts from the past 20 years or so. You'll see.

 

[SpaceCowboy]

Looks like everyone is pretty down with Carp's play. He hasn't been in the field much.

Some say it's the quality of our LB's. Some say his inability to beat out a Special Teams player. Others say it's the move from OLB to ILB.

Reviewing the draft tracker,

http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/round/round1

Several quality players were available around Carp's spot. In retrospect, who do we take instead ... or do we stick with the Carp pick.

Some thoughts:

Manny Lawson (DE)
- playing well in SF. Would have been another tweener to be converted to the LB position. Would he have beaten out Greg Ellis for the starting OLB spot?

Santanio Holmes (WR)
- so much discussion about our lack of depth at WR. Though it may be true, Holmes isn't having a good year. At this point, I'd take Crayton over Holmes. Not just because I'm a Cowboy fan, but from what I've seen.

DeAngelo Williams (RB)
- this kid is lighting it up. But with JJ and MBIII (and Tyson Thomson), would this pick have made sense?

Nick Mangold (C)
- playing great with the Jet's. But how do you justify taking a first round Center with Gurode AND Johnson on board. Gurode's play has nullified any need to draft another Center for several years.

i would have taken D-williams instead in a heart beat over carp. i didnt want carp in the 1st place. what a wasted pick.

 

[DBoys]

I guess you guys need to watch Carp in todays game he looked really good out there.

 

[JPM]

I guess you guys need to watch Carp in todays game he looked really good out there.

I thought so too, I saw a spin move from him. Looked pretty good out there.

 

[JPM]

I forgot the Commanders were part of our division ... though they barely seem it anymore.

They made the playoffs last year.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

Carp look decent yesterday........

 

[dr_hefley]

How could you be disappointed with Carp? On his first play in the game Watkins gets an interception. It's gotta be a result of Carpenter being in the game, doesn't it?

 

[Zaxor]

I thought Carp played well today in a limited time.

This "burying" Carp is both premature and quite frankly--

Stupid.

While I agree with this... taking Carp in the first wasn't what I would call a very good decision as a first round pick should be a difference maker...

now having said that I hope Carp turns out to be a fantastic football player for the Dallas Cowboys for many, many years

 

[junk]

I thought Kiwanuka would make a great OLB in the 3-4, but then I was shouted down, told I didn't understand the 3-4 and lectured about how we needed a "complete" LB like Carpenter to play on the outside (not a converted DE).

Then a coverted DE Greg Ellis was moved to starting OLB, Carpenter was moved inside and Kiwanuka looks like a star in the making.

As a defensive end.