Disappointment of Demarcus Lawrence

Doomsday101

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I got to think the surgery so late was a factor
So this year is huge

I don't disagree but again I put the blame on him. That shoulder needed to be worked on and everyone knew it at the end of 2018 season. There was no reason not to get it done. It was not as if he was not going to play be it in Dallas or ended up getting let go bottom line he intended to play. The procedure is not a risky one, hell JJ watts had his done during the season and is now back in the lineup in Houston. Woods had it done after the season and was ready for camp.
 

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He under-performed his contract. If it was because of his shoulder, that's on him because he delayed the surgery. He was not terrible but he had a bad start to the season. The NFL always pays based on past performance. Dallas could have signed him to a much cheaper contract before they franchised him 2 years straight - that's the price you pay for performance.
 

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Interesting how you never seem to think stats matter with virtually any argument someone makes.
Stats always matter. Box score stats usually don't - especially for defensive players. The stats that matter for DLaw are things like run stop % and pass rush win rate, b/c they're independent of scheme. When you look at those he's unequivocally elite.

Run stop % - third.

Pass rush win rate - third.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id...s-rushing-rankings-2019-pbwr-prwr-leaderboard
Then of course there are plays like this:
 

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It's not even so much about that but what people who get all up in arms never stop to realize is this isn't a 1-year deal. By deal's end he may have exceeded any (reasonable) expectations. Same with Zeke. But people want everything consistent or they're "uncomfortable."
We need someone to blame for our unmet expectations.

There are excuses and then there are reasons. I remember one year Emmitt was off and all the talk was he was in decline, this is it, time to get another RB. He played with a problematic ankle all season that needed surgery but he pushed it back, just like Norton and that detached bicep and Lawrence's shoulder. I remember some questioning Ware and he couldn't lift his arm above 90 degrees but he played.

One thing about the Cowboys, they are not forthcoming with real injury status and downplay everything and that's not necessarily a plan, Booger doesn't seem convinced of the level of severity of an injury. He called both Barber and Ratliff out and Ratliff chased him out of the locker room.

As far as Lawrence is concerned, there is one stat a poster put up that is an issue and has been. His first half of the season and second half don't jive and never have. You pay your best DE that kind of money, he needs to be there in crunch time and he never has.
 

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Stats always matter. Box score stats usually don't - especially for defensive players. The stats that matter for DLaw are things like run stop % and pass rush win rate, b/c they're independent of scheme. When you look at those he's unequivocally elite.

Run stop % - third.

Pass rush win rate - third.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id...s-rushing-rankings-2019-pbwr-prwr-leaderboard
Then of course there are plays like this:



He was paid as an elite pass rusher.....and 5 sacks doesn't an elite pass rusher make.
 

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Zeke is a top B in the NFL
Jaylon isnt paid like a top LB

Lawerence is being paid like a top DE and he isnt close to being worth that money - Cowboys overpaid for a decent player and overpaid a lot
Jaylon has the 6th-highest AAV in the league at his position. How is that not top LB money?
 

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It's not even so much about that but what people who get all up in arms never stop to realize is this isn't a 1-year deal. By deal's end he may have exceeded any (reasonable) expectations. Same with Zeke. But people want everything consistent or they're "uncomfortable."


Greatness is consistency. That is what the difference is with good and great players. Good player can have a great season and a great player is consistently putting up great season. He wanted to be paid as great and I had no issue with it but you bet I expected great play in return.
 

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One of my biggest issues is that this year he wasn't talking during the week about how they were going to get the opposing QB, which I think psyched the Cowboys D up and made them aggressive. Last year, it felt like every week he was talking trash that seemed to help the defense.
 

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Sacks is an offensive stat.

Pressures is where you evaluate pass rushers, and he's elite.

No that is where you evaluate. Pressure is a good thing but if you are getting big pressure the sacks will follow. I don't see other top defenders in this league now or in past years put up 5 on the season and claimed they had a great season.
 

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Sacks is an offensive stat.

Pressures is where you evaluate pass rushers, and he's elite.


Interesting....then why pay DE's who constantly sack the QB big contracts at all. Perhaps instead pay the highest sacked QB's the biggest contracts....for falling down.
 

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No that is where you evaluate. Pressure is a good thing but if you are getting big pressure the sacks will follow.
This is false. Pressure that would result in a sack in 2 seconds doesn't translate against an offensive playcall that gets the ball out in 1.5.

Sack is an offensive stat in today's NFL.
 

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Interesting....then why pay DE's who constantly sack the QB big contracts at all. Perhaps instead pay the highest sacked QB's the biggest contracts....for falling down.
They don't. They pay DEs who create pressures and are strong against the run.

This year, Dak was sacked less than half the amount of times he was the year before. Is that b/c he just faced worse pass rushers? No.
 

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This is false. Pressure that would result in a sack in 2 seconds doesn't translate against an offensive playcall that gets the ball out in 1.5.

Sack is an offensive stat in today's NFL.

That is a load of crap. Donald in LA is trying to put the QB on his butt and does so with quick pressure there are other top pass rushers who manage to get pressure and put up sacks for lost yardage. Quinn is not just trying to get pressure he trying to put that QB on his butt. Dlaw put up sacks in 2017 and 2018 and bottom line did not do it in 2019. His overall tackles were down and his pay was not that good. If your trying to tell me these DL players are not trying to put that QB down? Sorry not buying it
 

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No that is where you evaluate. Pressure is a good thing but if you are getting big pressure the sacks will follow. I don't see other top defenders in this league now or in past years put up 5 on the season and claimed they had a great season.
Sacks is not the sole stat to evaluate DE's. That being said, 5 is pretty pathetic.
 

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They don't. They pay DEs who create pressures and are strong against the run.

This year, Dak was sacked less than half the amount of times he was the year before. Is that b/c he just faced worse pass rushers? No.


I just can't anymore for logi, stats, and common sense is simply lost on certain people.
 

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Sacks is not the sole stat to evaluate DE's. That being said, 5 is pretty pathetic.

I did not say it was the sole but yes it is pretty big if it weren't teams would not be paying big for guys like Donald or Mac. Yes stopping the run is important yet Dallas did a poor job in many games vs the run, getting pressure is big but coming up with big sacks means a lot.
 

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Simple question you think if this was Lawrence contract year he could command the contract he got? 5 sacks and 45 tackles?
 

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the Hot Boyz Moniker sounds like a bad porn flick from the 70's. ITS JUST DUMB. He wasted all that money on Merch lol...it will be collecting dust me thinks.
 
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