Discussion about 3-4/3-3/3-2

[waldoputty]

When did Jalen Smith and Mayowa prove they have any significant pass rushing ability? Running the 3-4 without a stud pass rusher is like running the 4-3 without a DE.

you can certainly move dlaw around instead of waiting for the stunts to evolve.
jaylon looked pretty quick when he was blitzing

 

[Toruk_Makto]

nobody said to line up tlaw to eat double teams.
the point is to have pressure coming from unpredictable points instead of just keep doing the same stunts that take forever to get there.

Lawrence is a 4-3 LE. Like the prototype.

And you want him as a 3-4 LE whose job is to keep the OLB clean?

Smh

 

[RS12]

We struggle too hard to find quality 3-4 players when we did run it.

You noticed that too, huh.

 

[waldoputty]

Lawrence is a 4-3 LE. Like the prototype.

And you want him as a 3-4 LE whose job is to keep the OLB clean?

Smh

when i saw him having success he was outside the RT or the TE.
how is that so different from how the OLB is played when he blitzes?
the problem with the defense is lack of consistent pressure and making it less predictable is generally a good thing.

 

[MRV52]

NO way we need 4 man front. We have the birthday of Doomsday 3 forming.

 

[waldoputty]

NO way we need 4 man front. We have the birthday of Doomsday 3 forming.

my point is we need to rid ourselves of a predictable bend but not break defense.
competent NFL QBs will kill you.
the best scheme that gets the most consistent pressure needs to be used.
the 3 DL with 1-2 blitzers seem like the best and most direct way of getting there.
we simply dont have the top DLs to play the 4-3 successfully in a tampa type defense.

 

[jblaze2004]

I get it, but 4-3 vs 3-4 is not the problem and we have exactly 0 3-4 OLB's on the roster currently.

idk i think tapper, dlaw, Mayowa and wilbur can play 3-4 OLB. Might not be great at it though. I'm all for change if we end up with a more exotic and aggressive defense. But that change will have to be made in the offseason.

 

[waldoputty]

NO way we need 4 man front. We have the birthday of Doomsday 3 forming.

i dont even think we need doomsday 3.
if the O can be fixed up, i think it is plenty dominant enough to take some chances in the D.

 

[waldoputty]

idk i think tapper, dlaw, Mayowa and wilbur can play 3-4 OLB. Might not be great at it though. I'm all for change if we end up with a more exotic and aggressive defense. But that change will have to be made in the offseason.

not sure if i agree with that.
it is not as if we are not blitzing jaylon or other LBs.
we are already playing a 3-2-6 quite a bit so it is not as if we are locked into the 4-3.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

when i saw him having success he was outside the RT or the TE.
how is that so different from how the OLB is played when he blitzes?
the problem with the defense is lack of consistent pressure and making it less predictable is generally a good thing.

You mean besides having one more down lineman the offensive line is concerned about?

 

[TheCoolFan]

The 3-2-6 they've run is more of a strategy that can be used against certain teams but it isn't a base defense. It works against teams that have bad OLines and no running game (ex: GB, Detroit, AZ) but any team that can run it will gash that formation. That's why they couldn't use it vs. the Rams because Gurley would have gotten 250+ yards.

It's like a zone defense in basketball. Against teams that can't shoot well, it works but teams that can knock down threes and move the ball will torch a zone defense.

The sad thing is that it pretty much means that our secondary can't cover unless they have an extra DB in coverage

 

[waldoputty]

You mean besides having one more down lineman the offensive line is concerned about?

simply, the defense seems too predictable.
having the DL players shift around and LBs threatening different gaps presnap would be a relatively straight-forward way to add pressure.
yes less beef on the DL makes it easier to run, but i am suggesting on obvious passing downs and some 1st downs to mix things up a bit.

 

[waldoputty]

The 3-2-6 they've run is more of a strategy that can be used against certain teams but it isn't a base defense. It works against teams that have bad OLines and no running game (ex: GB, Detroit, AZ) but any team that can run it will gash that formation. That's why they couldn't use it vs. the Rams because Gurley would have gotten 250+ yards.

It's like a zone defense in basketball. Against teams that can't shoot well, it works but teams that can knock down threes and move the ball will torch a zone defense.

The sad thing is that it pretty much means that our secondary can't cover unless they have an extra DB in coverage

that may be the case.
playing a balanced offense is more difficult.
again we could use it on some 1st downs and mostly passing downs instead of sitting back waiting for the QB to get us.

 

[mattjames2010]

We struggle too hard to find quality 3-4 players when we did run it. We just need better play from our D. Bookend Irving with Dlaw is going to be a good sight. Add in Collins with some plays from other guys this squad should be solid. Our secondary is just young and bang up. I'm still kind of mad JJ didn't go after a veteran safety in FA.

We really haven't been great finding guys for the 4-3.

 

[cowboyblue22]

what is wrong with the cowboys defense is that its not three four or four three we simply don't have the play makers on defense and the coaching also lacks a lot better players would make this four three much better and a modern day dc would also help

 

[Floatyworm]

When are armchair GMs gonna learn the 3-4 is junk? Offenses have figured it out...they go w/ 3 and 4 WR sets...and make defenses adjust. And some coordinators (Marinellie)...are just dumb enough/stubborn to try and stick w/ it anyway.

 

[lostar2009]

We really haven't been great finding guys for the 4-3.

This team has been gambling too much on players with red flag on D to see any major growth. Jayron red shirt as a rookie, Randy drug issues, Hardy the psycho path, Irving with failed drug test and the list go on.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

simply, the defense seems too predictable.
having the DL players shift around and LBs threatening different gaps presnap would be a relatively straight-forward way to add pressure.
yes less beef on the DL makes it easier to run, but i am suggesting on obvious passing downs and some 1st downs to mix things up a bit.

Passing downs is exactly when i'd NOT want Lawrence facing a double team right off the snap so that we can send Mayowa and Jaylon on delayed blitzes.

 

[xwalker]

i think the lack of pressure is the problem and our blitzes dont have much success.
the attacking shifting 3-4 defense seems like a logical cure.
we are already playing a 3-2-5 quite a bit, so we obviously have DL/LBs that can play it decently.

The 3-2-6 is not remotely similar to the 3-4.

A 3-2-5 is 10 players.

 

[xwalker]

i thought we were playing it more than on passing downs.
but i would settle on passing downs certainly...

It's primarily about how many WRs are in the game, not passing or running. Some TEs may be treated like WRs on occasion.

4 WRs or 3 WRs and a WR-like TE will see the Dime package.