Discussion about 3-4/3-3/3-2

[xwalker]

I guess I just don't see the point. I know we've done it a bit this year, but I'm not sure why. When Collins and Lawrence are tearing it up--it looks fine. When they're not--it gets zero push.

He posted over and over about this in the off-sesson.

I hate to be mean, but he proved that he does not understand the differences in defenses even at a very basic level.

 

[Rack]

We already have had some success with the 3-2-5 early this season.

Imagine how much better it would be if we added the 11th defender.

 

[rpntex]

i think the lack of pressure is the problem and our blitzes dont have much success.
the attacking shifting 3-4 defense seems like a logical cure.
we are already playing a 3-2-5 quite a bit, so we obviously have DL/LBs that can play it decently.

Well, if we’re playing 3-2-5 quite a bit, it’s no wonder we’re getting beat.

That’s only 10 players on the field.

 

[darthseinfeld]

He posted over and over about this in the off-sesson.

I hate to be mean, but he proved that he does not understand the differences in defenses even at a very basic level.

At the very least he doesnt know the difference between a DE and a 5 Technique. It looked like we had our DE's lined up in 7 gaps when we used a 3 man line.

 

[Silverstar]

We just don't have a good enough 1 tech up front. McClain was okay last year, but Irving eventually outplayed him. Irving is the best we got next to Collins and that's not gonna cut it. We need a guy that can collapse the pocket consistently on passes and also anchor in the running game. We brought in Paea and Price to save money, but those two are less talented than McClain and Thornton IMO. It seems we're going backwards when it comes to this position. Sure Irving will do his best there, but he's basically a stopgap until we get the real deal in the draft or FA.

 

[waldoputty]

Passing downs is exactly when i'd NOT want Lawrence facing a double team right off the snap so that we can send Mayowa and Jaylon on delayed blitzes.

nobody said putting dlaw against a double team.
nobody said sending lbs on delayed blitzes either, though it is an option.

 

[waldoputty]

Imagine how much better it would be if we added the 11th defender.

oops, yes 3-2-6
i cannot count.

 

[waldoputty]

At the very least he doesnt know the difference between a DE and a 5 Technique. It looked like we had our DE's lined up in 7 gaps when we used a 3 man line.

my point was not to be predictable, so the dls dont have to stay in any particular gap.
i know you like talking about gaps, but i already pointed out that the dl is already doing that on some plays.

 

[waldoputty]

The 3-2-6 is not remotely similar to the 3-4.

A 3-2-5 is 10 players.

yes 3-2-6
i am only saying that we are already playing a 3-2-6 so the dls and lbs are capable of playing a 3 men front formation.
that was the biggest criticism was that we did not have dls and lbs who could handle the 3 dl formations.
we clearly do since we are doing it.
yes mostly for passing downs, but i thought they also did that on some 1st downs.

 

[waldoputty]

We just don't have a good enough 1 tech up front. McClain was okay last year, but Irving eventually outplayed him. Irving is the best we got next to Collins and that's not gonna cut it. We need a guy that can collapse the pocket consistently on passes and also anchor in the running game. We brought in Paea and Price to save money, but those two are less talented than McClain and Thornton IMO. It seems we're going backwards when it comes to this position. Sure Irving will do his best there, but he's basically a stopgap until we get the real deal in the draft or FA.

paea has been injured, and i dont think they saved $ on price vs. thornton due to guaranteed salaries (though not sure)

 

[Toruk_Makto]

nobody said putting dlaw against a double team.
nobody said sending lbs on delayed blitzes either, though it is an option.

I'm not sure you really grasp the 3-4 or what you're proposing.

 

[waldoputty]

I'm not sure you really grasp the 3-4 or what you're proposing.

i am simply proposing a 3 man front with blitzing LBs, all of which have presnap shifting so it is less predictable.
obviously you would avoid putting the best passrushers against double teams.
i could be a 3-2, 3-3, 3-4 depending on the players available and offensive formation.

 

[BrassCowboy]

For those who dread it, I am picking up from the off-season 3-4 discussion.

We already have had some success with the 3-2-5 early this season.
So there is existence proof we have the DL to play 3 men DL.
A 3-4/3-3 may play well to our personnel though it can transform into a 4-3 some of the time.

DL
RE - Irving//Tapper/Moore
NT - Collins/Price/Paea
LE - TLaw/Taco/Crawford

LB
Make Jaylon/Mayowa the blitzing LBs that hops the different gaps.
This utlizes Jaylon's speed while reducing the amount of direction changes
Keep moving the DL to different gaps so the offense presnap is more difficult, as I have already seen some formations where the middle of the DL is pretty much empty

WLB - Lee/
MLB - Hitchens/Durant
Blitzing LB #1 - Jaylon who will move along the DL presnap
Blitzing LB #2 - Mayowa who will also move around

Kinda like we did with Randy White

 

[Chuck 54]

Just for giggles, I'd love to see us change it up 3-4 times a game in pass situations and run out the old 5-2 defense (became the 3-4, but with down linemen instead of OLBs)

I'd like to see what teams would do with DLaw, Irving, Collins, Paea, and Crawford on the DL with Lee and Hitchins or a Safety at LB.

That would be funny.

 

[calicowboy54]

Maliek Collins isn't really suited for 3-4 NT.

Lawrence and Moore would be OLBs in this scheme, neither could really play 5-Technique aka 3-4 DE spots.

but if we went to a Wade PHillips Attacking 3-4 you're NT is more a shade NT and you have Irvin, crawford and Taco as your DE's you could do it for a season or 2 until you build up the personal. i agree on Dlaw and Moore being your OLB's and you have 2 Toke 94 coming back in November and hopefully beyond.

 

[LocimusPrime]

I'm a 1-10 guy. Send one and everyone else chillzzzz

 

[LocimusPrime]

It's more the defensive coordinators aggressiveness or lack of aggressiveness than an issue of 4-3 vs 3-4.

You can be aggressive in a 4-3 as well. Sending different guys on blitzes, dropping others, overloading one side, ect. Lots of ways. Our coordinator isn't an agrressive person. He's a safe, bend don't break guy