Disturbing statistic

Flamma said:
This comes from Fish. The Cowboys are 4-33 in the last 5 years trailing going into the 4th quarter.

Since they played 84 games, that would mean they are 45-2 going into the 4th quarter when they are winning. I'm not considering tied going into the 4th quarter. There may be some of them. But either way, that is a ridiculous statistic.

I think I got the math right. I'm also not counting the Eagles loss.
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That’s probably fairly typical for most teams.

It’s why some teams , the most elite- especially QB’s , have a better 4th qtr comeback record than most teams .
 
Flamma said:
This was 5 years of data. I would normally agree with you, but the stats were so lopsided I couldn't ignore it. Yes, this is a different year. But we started off 0-1 going into the 4th down. I don't see how it's a meaningless stat until it is..
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same people that say 30 years of playoff failure is meaningless
 
Diehardblues said:
That’s probably fairly typical for most teams.

It’s why some teams , the most elite- especially QB’s , have a better 4th qtr comeback record than most teams .
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You think 4-33 and 45-2 is typical? I highly doubt that. A bad team might be 4-33 because they're bad. But Dallas won 36 games in 3 years. Those bad teams wouldn't be 45-2 tied or ahead going into the 4th.
 
SteveTheCowboy said:
Absolutley NOT. If the oppsoing offense scores first....WE HAVE TO SCORE TOO. Not 3 and outs. and make the defense go right back out there.

Our offense can tire out our defense as much as their offense does.

That 4-33 stats would look much differenet if we simply "matched scores".
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Agreed. Against the Eagles, we had 2 drives in the 4th for go-ahead scores and couldn't get either done if I recall correctly.
 
Flamma said:
This comes from Fish. The Cowboys are 4-33 in the last 5 years trailing going into the 4th quarter.

Since they played 84 games, that would mean they are 45-2 going into the 4th quarter when they are winning. I'm not considering tied going into the 4th quarter. There may be some of them. But either way, that is a ridiculous statistic.

I think I got the math right. I'm also not counting the Eagles loss.
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Yeah we've been built to be front runners. Get a lead, and pin our ears back. We were not built for tough games. Hopefully that is changing.
 
SlammedZero said:
That’s what made last Thursday so frustrating.......it was the same old story. This team always seems to lack that edge, that killer instinct to close out a game. Dropped passes, interceptions, fumbles.....no matter who or what you want to blame, somebody always comes up short.

That 4–33 stat? It says it all.
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Right….they don’t know how to win, no matter who the HC is.

IMO it’s largely about Jerry publicly rewarding mediocre to poor play in an attempt to defend the job he is doing. The players hear this and figure that’s good enough to please Jerry and eventually get paid.

That guy hurts this team’s ability to win in ways that go WELL beyond poor player evaluation.
 
viman96 said:
How many of those losses was when Dak was out? IIRC he has 20+ come from behind wins.
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Please don't muddy waters with pertinent information.

Even if Dak is out he is responsible.
 
CWR said:
Yeah we've been built to be front runners. Get a lead, and pin our ears back. We were not built for tough games. Hopefully that is changing.
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You’re right, and that’s nice to hope for, but it’s like having stage four cancer and thinking switching doctors is the cure all.
 
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Last 5 seasons Dak Prescott games played. He was out a significant amount of time 3 of those seasons. This is not defending Dak as much it is pointing out when the starting QB is out, the backups do not produce at the same level.
  • 2024: 8 games (injury-shortened season)
  • 2023: 17 games (full season)
  • 2022: 12 games. Started strong but suffered injury early in the season
  • 2021: 16 games (returned from 2020 ankle injury)
  • 2020: 5 games (suffered compound fracture and dislocation to his right ankle in Week 5 against the Giants, ending his season)
 
viman96 said:
Last 5 seasons Dak Prescott games played. He was out a significant amount of time 3 of those seasons. This is not defending Dak as much it is pointing out when the starting QB is out, the backups do not produce at the same level.
  • 2024: 8 games (injury-shortened season)
  • 2023: 17 games (full season)
  • 2022: Started strong but suffered injury early in the season
  • 2021: 16 games (returned from 2020 ankle injury)
  • 2020: 5 games (suffered compound fracture and dislocation to his right ankle in Week 5 against the Giants, ending his season)
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The OP mentioned nothing about Prescott, and doesn’t insinuate it being all about him only.

If you remove the games he missed, do you think those numbers drastically change?

It’s not about Prescott, it’s about an entire organization that has no idea how to win when it counts.
 
fivetwos said:
Did you skim past the “entering the 4th quarter” part?
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How does that matter when asking how many of those games was Dak out?

Come from behind is a 4th quarter stat. Which would include entering the 4th. That detail was not missed.
 
fivetwos said:
The OP mentioned nothing about Prescott, and doesn’t insinuate it being all about him only.

If you remove the games he missed, do you think those numbers drastically change?

It’s not about Prescott, it’s about an entire organization that has no idea how to win when it counts.
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Did you "skim past" where I said this was not about Dak and more about backup QBs not performing as well?
 
viman96 said:
Did you "skim past" where I said this was not about Dak and more about backup QBs not performing as well?
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You think those insane numbers are about backup QBs?

Honestly, how much do you think 4-33 and 45-2 would change if you remove those games? And whats the difference anyway? It’s not about Prescott, it’s about the organization as a whole.

Backup QBs would be a part of that.
 
viman96 said:
Last 5 seasons Dak Prescott games played. He was out a significant amount of time 3 of those seasons. This is not defending Dak as much it is pointing out when the starting QB is out, the backups do not produce at the same level.
  • 2024: 8 games (injury-shortened season)
  • 2023: 17 games (full season)
  • 2022: 12 games. Started strong but suffered injury early in the season
  • 2021: 16 games (returned from 2020 ankle injury)
  • 2020: 5 games (suffered compound fracture and dislocation to his right ankle in Week 5 against the Giants, ending his season)
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Maybe and I’ll certainly acknowledge that passing volume is down without him but win/loss record has been fairly consistent with or with it dak.
 
simple stat ok, real easy.

we are not a complete team. we dont play complete, we dont plan to be complete, we just say, if its working, stop doing it and for this game, only this piece works, whether its offense, defense or special teams, We dont play with a complete mindset.
 
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