Disturbing statistic

[acr731]

come from wins? or inability to stop the run and allow the other team score at will. if you go into 4th within 3 points, the other team has the ball, drives down and scores, now you are down 10. is that offenses fault. now, you mentioned offense gets no blame and plenty of people on this board have criticized both offense and defense. but your issue is that offense is getting blamed 100% of the time.

not defending Dak, not blaming defense, but you have to look athe whole picture, but your attempt given who you are is to blame offense, and probably the next comment blame Dak. its stupid. defense wins championships. offense creates media and fan buzz and fills the seats. guess which team we are.

So what you are saying is if the defense sucks the offense can take the rest of the game off and receives no accountability?

I AM looking at the whole picture, or did you miss the part where I said that stat was an indictment on the WHOLE TEAM...

 

[fivetwos]

How does that matter when asking how many of those games was Dak out?

Come from behind is a 4th quarter stat. Which would include entering the 4th. That detail was not missed.

Maybe I’m misunderstanding.

If you’re saying he has 20 plus comeback wins over the last five years, it can’t be fourth quarter only. No way.

 

[acr731]

Last 5 seasons Dak Prescott games played. He was out a significant amount of time 3 of those seasons. This is not defending Dak as much it is pointing out when the starting QB is out, the backups do not produce at the same level.

• 2024: 8 games (injury-shortened season)
• 2023: 17 games (full season)
• 2022: 12 games. Started strong but suffered injury early in the season
• 2021: 16 games (returned from 2020 ankle injury)
• 2020: 5 games (suffered compound fracture and dislocation to his right ankle in Week 5 against the Giants, ending his season)

That's Jerry's fault for not taking depth at key positions seriously. Remember all those years under Garret when they couldn't lose a single key player to injury or the entire season went down the drain?

 

[CCBoy]

The offense gets no blame even though this stat clearly shows the inability for the offense to produce come-from-behind wins? It's an indictment on the whole team, not just the defense.

Undisciplined to showing top talent and not the baseline commitment at all cost and doing standard if it isn't movie star stuff. There now is enough veteran talent to carry team direction.

Me, I'm looking for line dominance on both sides. I won't even care about score. That will speak loud enough alone.

 

[CCBoy]

You think 4-33 and 45-2 is typical? I highly doubt that. A bad team might be 4-33 because they're bad. But Dallas won 36 games in 3 years. Those bad teams wouldn't be 45-2 tied or ahead going into the 4th.

This one goes all the way to a Hollywood GM.

 

[Vtwin]

This team has had a dire need for real tone-setting leadership attitudes on both sides of the ball for the last decade, at least.

 

[CWR]

Not built for tough games, front runners, that's a loser.

Yeah, its fair to say thats proven out.

 

[CWR]

You’re right, and that’s nice to hope for, but it’s like having stage four cancer and thinking switching doctors is the cure all.

You have to be able to run and defend the run to go against that narrative.

As of now I have optimism we may be able to do both.

 

[charron]

Build to play with a lead on offense and defense. The bills were down a couple scores with less than 5 minutes to go and came back to squeak out a win. Dallas isn't designed to do that, we don't have the players to execute that style.

 

[Kingofholland]

Probability suggests the team entering the 4th quarter leading has a much higher chance of winning, I would imagine it has to be 75% or higher. So this doesn't surprise me much, though the actual record is atleast a few games below what I would expect. Would be curious to see league data on this broken down by point differential.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

This comes from Fish. The Cowboys are 4-33 in the last 5 years trailing going into the 4th quarter.

Since they played 84 games, that would mean they are 45-2 going into the 4th quarter when they are winning. I'm not considering tied going into the 4th quarter. There may be some of them. But either way, that is a ridiculous statistic.

I think I got the math right. I'm also not counting the Eagles loss.

Neither is half this forum apparently.

 

[Diehardblues]

You think 4-33 and 45-2 is typical? I highly doubt that. A bad team might be 4-33 because they're bad. But Dallas won 36 games in 3 years. Those bad teams wouldn't be 45-2 tied or ahead going into the 4th.

I’m saying that good teams ( which Id define Cowboys for 3 12 win seasons) who have lead going into 4th qtr probably have a high percentage of winning.

 

[gtb1943]

Please don't muddy waters with pertinent information.

Even if Dak is out he is responsible.

dak bots are so funny

 

[Rockport]

This was 5 years of data. I would normally agree with you, but the stats were so lopsided I couldn't ignore it. Yes, this is a different year. But we started off 0-1 going into the 4th down. I don't see how it's a meaningless stat until it is..

Still, it’s totally meaningless. New players, new coaches and the entire league is different. Just fodder for the haters. Just look at their responses.

 

[gtb1943]

Last 5 seasons Dak Prescott games played. He was out a significant amount of time 3 of those seasons. This is not defending Dak as much it is pointing out when the starting QB is out, the backups do not produce at the same level.

• 2024: 8 games (injury-shortened season)
• 2023: 17 games (full season)
• 2022: 12 games. Started strong but suffered injury early in the season
• 2021: 16 games (returned from 2020 ankle injury)
• 2020: 5 games (suffered compound fracture and dislocation to his right ankle in Week 5 against the Giants, ending his season)

Three straight 12 win seasons in the middle of that
and the stats do not seem to change much
dak bots love to put all the wins on him and all the losses on someone else

 

[gtb1943]

Still, it’s totally meaningless. New players, new coaches and the entire league is different. Just fodder for the haters. Just look at their responses.

so for thirty years you have been singing the same song?

Baghdad Bob would be proud of you

 

[Rockport]

same people that say 30 years of playoff failure is meaningless

Totally meaningless when it comes to predicting the future. But you’re not able to understand that apparently.

 

[visionary]

This comes from Fish. The Cowboys are 4-33 in the last 5 years trailing going into the 4th quarter.

Since they played 84 games, that would mean they are 45-2 going into the 4th quarter when they are winning. I'm not considering tied going into the 4th quarter. There may be some of them. But either way, that is a ridiculous statistic.

I think I got the math right. I'm also not counting the Eagles loss.

Stats can be parsed many different ways when you have such a massive database

The reality is that when you have an above average QB, no run game, bad defense that cant stop the run, these stats are not unexpected

 

[Rockport]

You think 4-33 and 45-2 is typical? I highly doubt that. A bad team might be 4-33 because they're bad. But Dallas won 36 games in 3 years. Those bad teams wouldn't be 45-2 tied or ahead going into the 4th.

Those 12-5 teams were flawed which showed in the playoffs and against good teams. You can’t win if you can’t run the ball and you can’t stop the run. They couldn’t do either EFFECTIVELY. MM was never committed to the run.

 

[zrinkill]

same people that say 30 years of playoff failure is meaningless

Its not that hey are not able to understand that ........ its that the Jerry sycophants are willfully ignorant.

To claim that what this front office has done the last 30 years has is meaningless about the future is just stupid .....