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[adamknite]

Just as a side note, this can be interpreted differently from a coverage point of view. It could mean that the other two safeties are covering their responsibilities better, so the QB doesn't throw it to their responsibilities as much. In the case of Roy, they do throw it, and he makes the tackle.

Or it could mean, every time an opposing player catches a pass when covered by Sharper or Wilson, they miss the tackle or they are scoring TDs. Or it could mean that Roy plays closer to the line and gets more tackles on RBs on running plays. Or it could be that Sharper and Wilson are very good players.... just like Roy, and they simply just don't have as many tackles.

 

[khiladi]

Or it could mean he's used more in run support (which he is).

No doubt, and that is why the issue isn't simply about re-gurgitating stats.

 

[theogt]

Not that I disagree, but simply repeating it was zone coverage does not negate a player's responsibility. A zone is a big coverage region, and part of being effective in a zone is positioning by the defensive player. A lot of it is about angles.

What are you going to use to judge? Who was closer? Reeves was closer on that play. It looks as though Roy had released him to his over the top zone coverage. If it wasn't Reeves' responsibility at that point, it would be a pretty stupid coverage call, giving Roy much more ground to cover than his help over the top.

 

[theogt]

No doubt, and that is why the issue isn't simply about re-gurgitating stats.

But other stats posted also show (or at least they did last year) that Roy gives up a significantly lower percentage of his passes than Wilson.

 

[khiladi]

What are you going to use to judge? Who was closer? Reeves was closer on that play. It looks as though Roy had released him to his over the top zone coverage. If it wasn't Reeves' responsibility at that point, it would be a pretty stupid coverage call, giving Roy much more ground to cover than his help over the top.

I was just making a general comment regarding zones.

I'm fine with Roy. I just wished he'd lose some weight, and by weight, I mean muscle mass. I think he looks a little slower than his first two years, but that is a subjective opinion. I have no hard stats to back it up. I was trying to find his playing weight when drafted on the internet, but with no success.

 

[AdamJT13]

Not that I disagree, but simply repeating it was zone coverage does not negate a particular player's responsibility.

Of course not. In most cases, one player is responsible for covering the receiver if he's in that zone. (Sometimes, depending on the situation and the zones, nobody can be faulted.) I'm just saying that some people see Roy nearby and automatically blame him, even if the receiver wasn't in his zone.

Just look at the pass before halftime. Roy clearly has the underneath zone, and he had another receiver in his zone. But Shockey ran past him (going into a deeper zone), so some people are blaming Roy for allowing that catch. He had nothing to do with it. Put Reeves in Roy's position (underneath zone) and Roy in Reeves' position (deep sideline zone), with Roy hitting Shockey after he made the catch, and guess who would be getting blamed for allowing that catch? Certainly not Reeves. The same people who blame Roy would explain how Reeves had the short zone and passed Shockey off to Roy, and Roy blew it. No matter what, Roy will always be blamed.

 

[Danny White]

Of course not. In most cases, one player is responsible for covering the receiver if he's in that zone. (Sometimes, depending on the situation and the zones, nobody can be faulted.) I'm just saying that some people see Roy nearby and automatically blame him, even if the receiver wasn't in his zone.

Just look at the pass before halftime. Roy clearly has the underneath zone, and he had another receiver in his zone. But Shockey ran past him (going into a deeper zone), so some people are blaming Roy for allowing that catch. He had nothing to do with it. Put Reeves in Roy's position (underneath zone) and Roy in Reeves' position (deep sideline zone), with Roy hitting Shockey after he made the catch, and guess who would be getting blamed for allowing that catch? Certainly not Reeves. The same people who blame Roy would explain how Reeves had the short zone and passed Shockey off to Roy, and Roy blew it. No matter what, Roy will always be blamed.

Is it too much to ask Roy to intercept every ball that is thrown anywhere near him on the field? Thank you.

 

[Next_years_Champs]

Is it too much to ask Roy to intercept every ball that is thrown anywhere near him on the field? Thank you.

Only if it doesn't prevent him from tackling any back with the ball behind the LOS.

 

[BigDFan5]

Only if it doesn't prevent him from tackling any back with the ball behind the LOS.

and he must sex up every cheerleader from both teams between plays

 

[JPM]

I'm fine with Roy. I just wished he'd lose some weight, and by weight, I mean muscle mass.

What ?! Roy has "too much muscle" I'm sorry but how can you say that. Do you know his body fat percentage ?

I think he looks a little slower than his first two years, but that is a subjective opinion. I have no hard stats to back it up. I was trying to find his playing weight when drafted on the internet, but with no success.

According to this his weight during his senior season was 219
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2002/draft/players/20867.html
The Cowboys home page has him listed at 225.
If you take those numbers as correct he is 6 whole pounds heavier than when he was drafted.

 

[khiladi]

What ?! Roy has "too much muscle" I'm sorry but how can you say that. Do you know his body fat percentage ?

What does body fat have to do with the issue? I am saying additional muscle mass, irrespective of body fat percentage, can be an impediment in the quickness of a player. Muscle mass does not always correlate with performance on the field. In fact, it can impede it, depending on the position a person plays. That is why personal trainers regulate players in the weight room. Have you seen a body-builder move?

Bradie James wasn't fatter last year.

According to this his weight during his senior season was 219
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2002/draft/players/20867.html
The Cowboys home page has him listed at 225.
If you take those numbers as correct he is 6 whole pounds heavier than when he was drafted.

Thanks for the information. 6 lbs of "muscle mass" is significant, especially for an athlete. Muscle gains are usually significant for a beginner, but for people lifting, it is hard to gain weight.

 

[JPM]

What does body fat have to do with the issue? I am saying additional muscle mass, irrespective of body fat percentage, can be an impediment in the quickness of a player. Muscle mass does not always correlate with performance on the field. In fact, it can impede it, depending on the position a person plays. That is why personal trainers regulate players in the weight room. Have you seen a body-builder move?

Bradie James wasn't fatter last year.



Thanks for the information. 6 lbs of "muscle mass" is significant, especially for an athlete. Muscle gains are usually significant for a beginner, but for people lifting, it is hard to gain weight.

I'm trying to figure out how you know Roy gained "too much muscle".
How can you possible compare a bodybuilder to an athlete.
This is by far the stupidest thing I have ever heard.

but for people lifting, it is hard to gain weight.

Wrong, I have gained more muscle in the last 2 years of lifting than I ever have, and I'm 34.

 

[khiladi]

I'm trying to figure out how you know Roy gained "too much muscle".
How can you possible compare a bodybuilder to an athlete.
This is by far the stupidest thing I have ever heard.

He definitely looks bulkier, and I like to give Roy the benefit of the doubt that it was muscle, not fat. As I stated before, from clips of his past performances, he looks bulkier than his first two years.

Further, I just made the comparison of the body-builder to demonstrate a point regarding muscle mass. I also gave the example of Bradie James. He lost around 8-10 lbs if I remember correctly, and he is a lot quicker on the field.

The same is the case for an athlete.

Wrong, I have gained more muscle in the last 2 years of lifting than I ever have, and I'm 34.

Re-read what I said:

Thanks for the information. 6 lbs of "muscle mass" is significant, especially for an athlete. Muscle gains are usually significant for a beginner, but for people lifting, it is hard to gain weight.

I never said there aren't exceptions, but this fact about muscle mass in the beginning years is well-known.

 

[Sportsbabe]

1. Troy Aikman 13
2. Danny White 10
3. Tony Romo 8

And Romo's only made 19 starts. Of course, two things have to be considered here. First, the game certainly is constantly changing and evolving. Second, Aikman and White's low numbers might have something to do with Emmitt Smith and Tony Dorsett.

But before we go handing out any crowns,

Romo ... if you wanna crown him, then crown his "tail" ... (LOL)
Don't worry Romo, I crown you baby.