DMN Blog: 10 Cowboys Lead Pro Bowl Voting...Hitting 300...NFL Cashing in on TOs Towel

[dallasfan]

Who are you going to put above him? No one has yet to have an answer.

Sean Taylor has been playing lights out and should be the FS
Adrian Wilson is better than Roy Williams and should be the SS
and Ken Hamlin should be the 3rd safety

 

[adamknite]

Anyone who watched that pitiful performance that RW put on trying to cover Shockey, and still votes for him to go to the Pro Bowl is beyond logic, and therefore cannot be reasoned with. I have been a Roy Williams fanatic ever since he arrived, but even I can't stand to watch him anymore. We all thought that Hamlin could reign him in, but Williams has read too many of his own press clippings. He refuses to listen to the QB of the secondary, and is constantly out of position.

The commentaters were saying that you don't want to put a SS on Shockey because of his speed. If a 6-0, 230 lb. player can't keep up with a 6-5, 250 lb. player, he should turn in his cleats.

I can give you one SS right off the top of my head that I was praying the Cowboys would grab in FA in 2005 & make him a FS, and that's Darren Sharper. He led the league that year with 9 ints. & 2 TDs. This year, when Minnesota beat Atlanta, Alge Crumpler was 4 for 40 in the loss. In their win against SD, Antonio Gates had a season low 1 for 10 yds. in that loss. I don't know for sure if Sharper was covering both TEs the whole game, but how stupid would you be not to have him there.

I would take Sharper, Wilson, & several other SSs over RW. It's a plain fact-the guy can't cover. Period. When a safety can only do one of the two things that are his responsibility, it doesn't matter how many highlight reel hits he makes. Time to part ways with Mr. One Act.

You have no idea what you're talking about. Just keep letting your blind hate guide your judgments I for one am happy you are not in a position of power for the Dallas Cowboys.

2007 Sharper Stats:
36 Tackles 26 Solo 3 PD 2 INT 1 FF 0 TDs


2007 Wilson Stats:
44 Tackles 33 Solo 3 PD 2 INT 0 FF 0 TDs


2007 Williams Stats:
53 Tackles 41 Solo 3 PD 2 INT 0 FF 0 TDs


Tell me please, by looking at those numbers who is the best safety? Because from my POV I see 3 guys with identical numbers (Sharper with the exception, he has a forced fumble) except Roy has more tackles.

These two "Superior" safeties have the exact same numbers as Roy, how could that be? BECAUSE ROY IS JUST AS GOOD/BETTER THEN BOTH OF THEM. You Roy bashers have stats, logic, and common sense thrown at you but no it's the same old thing "I don't need stats, I judge with my eyes" or "Roy is liability in coverage, his stats don't show how bad he is in there" well guess what, this team is 8-1 with Roy back there and I wouldn't trade him for any other SS in the league. Only somebody who has no concept of the game of Football would.

 

[adamknite]

Sean Taylor has been playing lights out and should be the FS
Adrian Wilson is better than Roy Williams and should be the SS
and Ken Hamlin should be the 3rd safety

2007 Wilson Stats:
44 Tackles 33 Solo 3 PD 2 INT 0 FF 0 TDs


2007 Williams Stats:
53 Tackles 41 Solo 3 PD 2 INT 0 FF 0 TDs

 

[dallasfaniac]

I can give you one SS right off the top of my head .. and that's Darren Sharper. I don't know for sure if Sharper was covering both TEs the whole game

When a safety can only do one of the two things that are his responsibility, it doesn't matter how many highlight reel hits he makes. Time to part ways with Mr. One Act.

Speaking of highlight reels, did you even look at the highlights before you posted anything about Sharper? Last week alone, he got manhandled by Donald Driver which allowed Ryan Grant to get the TD. Then, late in the game he tackles Cedric Griffin who was about to intercept the ball allowing Ruvell Martin to get the TD.

ALL of these guys have warts. You just watch Roy more than any of the others so his are more visible to you.

 

[StanleySpadowski]

2007 Wilson Stats:
44 Tackles 33 Solo 3 PD 2 INT 0 FF 0 TDs


2007 Williams Stats:
53 Tackles 41 Solo 3 PD 2 INT 0 FF 0 TDs

Not that you need help but according to ESPN's all flag team, Wilson is the most penalized safety in the NFL since 2004 (second is Sean Taylor), leads the entire NFL in personal fouls (again, Taylor is second) over that span and has the most personal fouls so far this season.

 

[adamknite]

Not that you need help but according to ESPN's all flag team, Wilson is the most penalized safety in the NFL since 2004 (second is Sean Taylor), leads the entire NFL in personal fouls (again, Taylor is second) over that span and has the most personal fouls so far this season.

I knew about Taylor being a very penalized player, didn't know that about Wilson though. Just a little extra for the Roy bashers to think about... wait scratch that, not think about at all because they don't pay attention to anything that makes Roy look good.

 

[Doomsdayblitz]

You have no idea what you're talking about. Just keep letting your blind hate guide your judgments I for one am happy you are not in a position of power for the Dallas Cowboys.

2007 Sharper Stats:
36 Tackles 26 Solo 3 PD 2 INT 1 FF 0 TDs


2007 Wilson Stats:
44 Tackles 33 Solo 3 PD 2 INT 0 FF 0 TDs


2007 Williams Stats:
53 Tackles 41 Solo 3 PD 2 INT 0 FF 0 TDs


Tell me please, by looking at those numbers who is the best safety? Because from my POV I see 3 guys with identical numbers (Sharper with the exception, he has a forced fumble) except Roy has more tackles.

These two "Superior" safeties have the exact same numbers as Roy, how could that be? BECAUSE ROY IS JUST AS GOOD/BETTER THEN BOTH OF THEM. You Roy bashers have stats, logic, and common sense thrown at you but no it's the same old thing "I don't need stats, I judge with my eyes" or "Roy is liability in coverage, his stats don't show how bad he is in there" well guess what, this team is 8-1 with Roy back there and I wouldn't trade him for any other SS in the league. Only somebody who has no concept of the game of Football would.

I have no hate in my heart for anyone. I have a DVD of nothing but Roy Williams hits. It's called "Boom" because of the song used in the highlights. I have shown it to my grandsons several times. I have nothing but love in my heart for Roy Williams,

You have to come to a place where you have to decide whether the hits are worth watching TEs & WRs run rampant through our defense.
Of course RW is going to have more tackles than the other two. He lives at the line of scrimmage. The problem is that he doesn't have the speed or ability to get back to his assignment when the play turns into a pass.

You didn't see that when Washington & Woodson were the safeties in the early-mid 90s. Sure, they made their share of mistakes, but you always knew they would make adjustments, and pretty soon, their taking an int. the other way. I just don't have that confidence with Roy.

Even you have to admit seeing the frustration in Williams when he let Shockey go free for a 30 yd. reception that set up the tying FG at the end of the 1st half. No, you probably won't. Once you set your heart on a player, he can do no wrong. That's the difference between people like me & people like you. I like & enjoy my Cowboys' team, and its players, but when I see one of the players I have come to love & respect costing my team dearly, time & time again, I have to take a hard look at that player. No player is more important than the team.

 

[theogt]

I have no hate in my heart for anyone. I have a DVD of nothing but Roy Williams hits. It's called "Boom" because of the song used in the highlights. I have shown it to my grandsons several times. I have nothing but love in my heart for Roy Williams,

You have to come to a place where you have to decide whether the hits are worth watching TEs & WRs run rampant through our defense.
Of course RW is going to have more tackles than the other two. He lives at the line of scrimmage. The problem is that he doesn't have the speed or ability to get back to his assignment when the play turns into a pass.

You didn't see that when Washington & Woodson were the safeties in the early-mid 90s. Sure, they made their share of mistakes, but you always knew they would make adjustments, and pretty soon, their taking an int. the other way. I just don't have that confidence with Roy.

Even you have to admit seeing the frustration in Williams when he let Shockey go free for a 30 yd. reception that set up the tying FG at the end of the 1st half. No, you probably won't. Once you set your heart on a player, he can do no wrong. That's the difference between people like me & people like you. I like & enjoy my Cowboys' team, and its players, but when I see one of the players I have come to love & respect costing my team dearly, time & time again, I have to take a hard look at that player. No player is more important than the team.

According to one breakdown, Shockey only had 4 catches for 40 yards against Roy.

Is that not a good day?

 

[adamknite]

I have no hate in my heart for anyone. I have a DVD of nothing but Roy Williams hits. It's called "Boom" because of the song used in the highlights. I have shown it to my grandsons several times. I have nothing but love in my heart for Roy Williams,

You have to come to a place where you have to decide whether the hits are worth watching TEs & WRs run rampant through our defense.
Of course RW is going to have more tackles than the other two. He lives at the line of scrimmage. The problem is that he doesn't have the speed or ability to get back to his assignment when the play turns into a pass.

You didn't see that when Washington & Woodson were the safeties in the early-mid 90s. Sure, they made their share of mistakes, but you always knew they would make adjustments, and pretty soon, their taking an int. the other way. I just don't have that confidence with Roy.

Even you have to admit seeing the frustration in Williams when he let Shockey go free for a 30 yd. reception that set up the tying FG at the end of the 1st half. No, you probably won't. Once you set your heart on a player, he can do no wrong. That's the difference between people like me & people like you. I like & enjoy my Cowboys' team, and its players, but when I see one of the players I have come to love & respect costing my team dearly, time & time again, I have to take a hard look at that player. No player is more important than the team.

Learn how the game is played before making some asinine post. I fully realize when somebody on this team isn't pulling their weight. You said Sharper and Wilson are far better then Williams, if they were you'd think they'd have better numbers, but they don't. That's a very simple concept that you can't seem to grasp, that no Roy hater can seem to grasp. The grass is always greener to you guys, I'm not knocking Sharper or Wilson as they are very talented players, but they're not better then Roy. If we had Sharper or Wilson I'm sure they'd do great and we'd still be 8-1 but that doesn't mean I'm knocking Roy either. I can assure you though if we had Sharper or Wilson and we asked them to do what we asked Roy to do in the Giants game, people would be screaming that we need Roy Willams on this team.

 

[AdamJT13]

Even you have to admit seeing the frustration in Williams when he let Shockey go free for a 30 yd. reception that set up the tying FG at the end of the 1st half.

Roy was NOT covering Shockey on that play. It was prevent zone, and Roy had the short zone. Shockey caught the pass in Reeves' zone.

I swear, some people have no idea what they're watching.

 

[Next_years_Champs]

I have no hate in my heart for anyone. I have a DVD of nothing but Roy Williams hits. It's called "Boom" because of the song used in the highlights. I have shown it to my grandsons several times. I have nothing but love in my heart for Roy Williams,

You have to come to a place where you have to decide whether the hits are worth watching TEs & WRs run rampant through our defense.
Of course RW is going to have more tackles than the other two. He lives at the line of scrimmage. The problem is that he doesn't have the speed or ability to get back to his assignment when the play turns into a pass.

You didn't see that when Washington & Woodson were the safeties in the early-mid 90s. Sure, they made their share of mistakes, but you always knew they would make adjustments, and pretty soon, their taking an int. the other way. I just don't have that confidence with Roy.


Even you have to admit seeing the frustration in Williams when he let Shockey go free for a 30 yd. reception that set up the tying FG at the end of the 1st half. No, you probably won't. Once you set your heart on a player, he can do no wrong. That's the difference between people like me & people like you. I like & enjoy my Cowboys' team, and its players, but when I see one of the players I have come to love & respect costing my team dearly, time & time again, I have to take a hard look at that player. No player is more important than the team.

I've been a Cowboy fan for as long as they have been in the NFL. I've heard all the fans bash RW and proclaim how much better this player or that player was, yet occassionally when we've met those players teams RW wasn't out played by those players.

I just don't buy all this BS. Roy is not superman, he has a limit to his physical skills So What. He makes more good plays than he does bad and he is a asset to this team and I guarantee you every player on this team would say the same thing.

 

[AdamJT13]

According to one breakdown, Shockey only had 4 catches for 40 yards against Roy.

Is that not a good day?

It was four for 23 yards.

 

[Doctor32]

its amazing how fans still vote for roy williams. apparently they just vote off of his name, but he shouldnt be in another pro bowl anytime soon if its based off performance. :bang2:

its amazing how some fans are so ignorant to a given player's performance.
GET OFF OF ROY'S NUTS
Damnit, some of you really suck.

 

[adamknite]

Roy was NOT covering Shockey on that play. It was prevent zone, and Roy had the short zone. Shockey caught the pass in Reeves' zone.

I swear, some people have no idea what they're watching.

If they see Roy Willams anywhere in the general area where a pass is caught, they automatically assume it's his fault. They seldom understand or even try to understand the concept of a zone defense.

 

[Dallas]

They're not strong safeties.

LOL

 

[AdamJT13]

If they see Roy Willams anywhere in the general area where a pass is caught, they automatically assume it's his fault. They seldom understand or even try to understand the concept of a zone defense.

I mentioned this a few weeks ago. Let's say a receiver catches the ball against zone coverage, with Roy and two other defenders nearby. No matter whose fault it was, Roy will always be blamed. And if he had been in the same position as either of the other two defenders, and they were in his position, he'd still be blamed. If they pass the receiver off to him, it's his fault. If he passes the receiver off to them, it's his fault. If he's covering someone else, it's his fault for not covering the other guy. No matter what, Roy always gets blamed.

 

[khiladi]

2007 Sharper Stats:
36 Tackles 26 Solo 3 PD 2 INT 1 FF 0 TDs

2007 Wilson Stats:
44 Tackles 33 Solo 3 PD 2 INT 0 FF 0 TDs

2007 Williams Stats:
53 Tackles 41 Solo 3 PD 2 INT 0 FF 0 TDs

Just as a side note, this can be interpreted differently from a coverage point of view. It could mean that the other two safeties are covering their responsibilities better, so the QB doesn't throw it to their responsibilities as much. In the case of Roy, they do throw it, and he makes the tackle.

 

[TRUTH87]

I mentioned this a few weeks ago. Let's say a receiver catches the ball against zone coverage, with Roy and two other defenders nearby. No matter whose fault it was, Roy will always be blamed. And if he had been in the same position as either of the other two defenders, and they were in his position, he'd still be blamed. If they pass the receiver off to him, it's his fault. If he passes the receiver off to them, it's his fault. If he's covering someone else, it's his fault for not covering the other guy. No matter what, Roy always gets blamed.

DITTO!!

 

[theogt]

Just as a side note, this can be interpreted differently from a coverage point of view. It could mean that the other two safeties are covering their responsibilities better, so the QB doesn't throw it to their responsibilities as much. In the case of Roy, they do throw it, and he makes the tackle.

Or it could mean he's used more in run support (which he is).

 

[khiladi]

I mentioned this a few weeks ago. Let's say a receiver catches the ball against zone coverage, with Roy and two other defenders nearby. No matter whose fault it was, Roy will always be blamed. And if he had been in the same position as either of the other two defenders, and they were in his position, he'd still be blamed. If they pass the receiver off to him, it's his fault. If he passes the receiver off to them, it's his fault. If he's covering someone else, it's his fault for not covering the other guy. No matter what, Roy always gets blamed.

Not that I disagree, but simply repeating it was zone coverage does not negate a particular player's responsibility. A zone is a big coverage region, and part of being effective in a zone is positioning by the defensive player. A lot of it is about the angle the player takes in the zone.